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JeffSjo

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  1. Dear OldSkool, So did the depositions as concerning LCM's sexual predation coming from VPW's guidance start turning the tables for you, or were other factors more significant to you in terms of coming to new conclusions concerning these men? I just thought it could be good to hear others share about what got them rethinking loyalties to TWI scum...uh...er...I mean, "top leadership". For me, realizing the true nature of their character as revealed in their actions makes once believing they were due my unthinking obedience and loyalty harder to take, but I think it is better to know for sure how badly we were taken in by these folks than not knowing what kind of men once held our loyalties.
  2. I"m in a situation where for some of the people that I think about seem to be loyal to a supposed Man of God that I don't believe rates the loyalty. When I first came here to the Greasespot I faced a couple of things, like a woman telling me what Wierwille did to her, for me that was a clear start of a new perspective for me; that,and realizing that not only did Wierwille simply copy other mens' work in assembling the greatest knowledge (supposedly)since the first century, but many of the things he plagiarized I have come to realize weren't even first rate in the first place. So since my facing what Wierwille actually did, I have since come to think of him as a sexual predator that was only a second rate hack, biblically speaking. Wierwille has fallen a long, long way from the heights of his reputation that TWI first showed me how to hold of him in 1982. But the things is, my mistake was in believeing TWI lies and spin in the first place. I believe that Wierwille really, really was a sexual predator and 2nd rate hack. Is it sane at all to believe that he can be soooo scummy and still be the great MOG? I think not! Not to mention the bs that many of my old friends have been led to believe about my former splinter group leader. They were taught to say he was, "The Word in the Flesh." And now it appears he has a fully Wierwillian sexual perversity on top of his 2nd rate, self serving biblical work. And biblically speaking, didn't Paul encourage the Corinthians to learn to judge their preachers correctly. So why should we be encouraged to not judge a minister!? Especialy really, really bad and evil TWI style leaders. THIS INFLUENE OF BLINDLY ACCEPTING SEXUAL PREDATORS AS MOG DID NOT COME FROM GOD, people. (I am hoping that this para. doesn't mean it needs to be a docrinal thread. I'll spin it off into doctinal if need be...) And in my case, it seems pretty solid that he is way, WAY WORSE than the trumped up and imaginary accusations that he used to ruin my life. So I feel a little emotionally invested in proving him for what he really, really is. __________________________ Would anyone like to share the specifics of how you came to realize the MOG was less than advertised? It seems to me that some people still believe lying TWI or TWI style spin, after all.
  3. So much about the things that I'm certain are going on trouble me. The young women are mostly staying, many of them having bound themselves to Barnard with vows that were doubtlessly real to them when they made them. Many young men leaving, looking to start their own lives. Some folks are very angry with Barnard, some are still loyal. But they all have been led by doctrine and example that to talk about the specifics they do know is wrong. Nobody is even willing to lay out what their side of my situation was from their perspective while I was there. The mostly well intentioned silence does not serve the truth at all IMO. But I am being honest as to my intentions with them all. I don't think that is something they are used to, having been in an abusive organization and having been taught to just do what they are told according to River Road Fellowship's own self interest. While they are led to see the devil in all the wrong places, they mostly seem incapable of openly discussing what RRF and Barnard is actually doing. The more I see this situation the more I curse The Way International and that abuse hiding "lockbox."
  4. The thing about the possibilities is that considering them too much can only lead to frustration or despair. I know that this thing had huge ramifications for you and your family darlin. And as you can imagine, I think that many others have made the same choice. I know you are not the only one who was pressed to do the same thing. I personally know two women who did while under the influence of RRF's guidance. The one that was my roommate said it was because of all the pressure of the last days and she had mentioned the scripture in the gospels that says, "Woe unto them with child, that give suck in those days....". And her husband, one of Barnard's so called "prophets" seemed to me that his major qualification was that he majored in buttkissing. so IMO no matter the how and why of it for each of us it seems the people suffer their leaders errors while the top dogs try to escape accountability. I hope that situation does end soon....sigh. Many, many people can relate to what you are sharing babe. Have I mentioned that I am proud of you? Well, I am. (a little content added)
  5. Yeah, I remember you brought him up before now. I've heard he's going to Wa. with all the young women and the Barnard loyalists. Before I left he shared that God showed him he'd be helping Barnard until Christ returns. But that was at least three or four false predictions ago concerning the year in which the Lord would return.
  6. And perhaps set them up to be a bunch of castrated buttkissers too? Do you think man worship led to men being beaten down into being less of a man? Some might say...karmic justice....?
  7. Would you like to share how that affected you darlin?
  8. Just let me know who they are hiway29 and I'll let you know what I know. If I don't know then someday I wouldn't mind hearing how they are doing too.
  9. You've told me you loved him and he loved you, and just let anybody try to take you to task on that one....just saying.... But I know that loving someone doesn't mean things were always good or that people weren't misled, didn't understand, or didn't make mistakes.
  10. From my perspective, Barnard carefully and deliberately built his influence over the group for many years. And in doing so he also deliberately broke down every single relationship, even familial, in order to be the center of attention and authority. Soooo, IMO, it's just taken this long for what he really is to become evident. I think he's been off the deep end from before his days in TWI. The Corps just gave him the tools to manipulate people and dominate a small, very abusive religious organization. That financial help your old friend was looking for may have been back when Barnard had everybody call everyone they knew to ask for money to save his camp. At my twig meeting he said,"If I don't get to keep my camp, you won't like life very much!" I only asked one person who I knew had enough sense to turn us down anyway. By that time I knew he was bad and that I was fighting for my marriage and that fate of many of my friends. But I didn't understand as much as now. I probably would have been a teeny, tiny bit more vocal I think.
  11. Thanks for the laugh T-bone. :B) The condition, intermittent chuckling, may last for days.
  12. Yeah, but now we understand it was NOT GOD who was rendering you mute babe. Let er rip darlin.....
  13. Dear Dave, By 2003 or 2004 Barnard was busy establishing himself in River Road Fellowship as Wierwille's superior and not as a loyalist. So it seems very unlikely to me that the Mike you are refering to was either of the three Mikes that I can recall off the top of my head in River Road Fellowship. Wierwille's superior....boy, talk about an insane goal. Now it looks to me that he is just as perverse as Wierwille was behind closed doors too. But it does not surprise me at all to hear that these guys had a similar feel to you. <_< And I probably was at that meeting in Rush City that you've described. That was back then when I didn't recognize how full of crapola they all were. At least now I have a better idea anyhow. (edited for spelling, and a little content added too.)
  14. Over the course of the last week or so I have heard a couple of reliable sources that said that Barnard has been doing things that are every bit as bad as the reports of Wierwille that I have heard here. I have heard that more than one couple is headed for divorce because of it. I have heard a few young adults that belong to the next generation after mine whose parents were in RRF that are just absolutely sickened by the things they know. I have had one old friend tell me that all the things being said about Barnard are a lie, and to never call them again. I talked to one woman who said because Barnard taught her the Word she will not say anything bad about him, even though her daughter is leaving the group. When she told me she loved Wierwille too I told her, "That's only because you don't know what he did to women!" But our conversation was cordial enough and we still had a decent goodbye. And I've heard specifics that I just don't feel right sharing right now. But I am feeling more than a little perturbed. And so far it seems to me that I have had a small sampling platter of the different reactions comon among Wayfers as the reports of TWI sexual abuse came out for many of you. But every one of these people I know. That makes things much more intense. Barnard portrayed me as the bad guy. I'm kind of wondering when people will realize that the things he said against me were just a bunch of lies. But it seems that for folks to hear that they will have to start realizing just how much Barnard pulled the wool over their eyes. It's all just starting for real for me fellow Greasepotters.
  15. I'm ready to ride. YEEEHAAAH! (p.s. I remember how those puffed up TWIts called independent thinkers cowboys....ya know?) Yippee Ki Yay M___ F___'s (just my little expression of freedom, hehehe)
  16. And just becauswe I'm really feeling it this week.....once again.
  17. :B) I just love your story Shellon. And all of us have faced our own version of these issues if we were all in, in TWI.
  18. That is some good stuff Geisha. I'm struck by the fact that many people seem to talk about it as if the DID NOT see through a glass darkly. But this guy in his considerations does not cross that line, they are considerations. And to try to bring this back around.... Is it that every freaking Christian sect feels they need to come up with their own versions of heaven and hell to be valid or what? There are clearly too many different teachers who pretend they see through a clear glass, not a dark one IMO.
  19. IMO he's the best of all possible role models Twinky. :) Hero Worship might well have been another name for this thread T-bone. But I guess I went with Man Worship because to me it seems to get to the root of it in a few of the more gritty categories. For instance even though I never took the CF & S class I fairly recently read how Wierwille put down women in regards to some very, very nasty sexual views that I'm ashamed to elucidate right now. Man-worship just seems a little more inclusive because of the rampant sexual and psychological abuse in The Way International to me. But to me and only IMO I think Hero Worship runs a very close second and may even be it's own thread I guess because it may tweek things just enough to bring out some different points. :) (edited for spelling)
  20. I have only about ten minutes left so I will do my best to start this thread, but I'm hoping it'll start some conversation until I get back.....one can hope. I'm all for being a man, maybe even someone that my baby, my son, or maybe even a few others will think,"A good man" about someday. But in TWI a lot of nasty crap was buried under the thin public veneer of Wierwille and LCM being "THE MAN" And as folks thought of "THE MAN" and wanted to be like "THE MAN" in every aspect it appears that all our MAN WORSHIP only served to hide the severely twisted and abusive stuff that went on behind the scenes. Everytime I hear some woman say something like, "He is THE MAN" in relation to TWI and my former splinter group, River Road Fellowship as led by Victor Barnard, I cringe. I don't cringe because I hate men, after all I was born one and find it necessary to be content about that. I cringe because of how TWI style man worship only served to seduce people into Wierwille's bed, LCM's back seat, and God knows how many others' pants. Well, gotta go now. Will try to follow this up sometime later..... talkamongstyourselves....hehehe
  21. About the thread topic...... This last weekend I have been considering how the Corinthians were OBVIOUSLY dealing with real issues. I'm certain they were all more or less aware of the young man who slept with his father's wife that Paul talked about later in the epistle. I think it likely that various folks who wanted to or thought they should handle the issues were caught up in these things and getting puffed up with each other. Some acting like bigshots because Paul taught them, others for Apollos' sake, and even some because they had been taught by Peter. So even though the issues were big and related to nasty things I like that by the end of the book of 2Co that Paul had encouraged the Corinthians to recieve back the young man after he had born his just recompense for the sin. And over and over again I wonder how many churches have split up because people were only divisive and puffed when churches faced big issues. It seems to me that TWI tried to keep folks together in a secretive and nasty way when word of Wierwille's perversions started getting out. And then when it appeared that word would get out top leadership decided that having everybody divided and seperate was better than everybody staying together and sharing notes. And some leadership keeps preying on the Lord's flock, while other ex-leadership maintains their friendship with these Wierwille raised nasty turds who deserve to bear accountability for horrible abuse of practically every kind. Paul kept everything sooooo out in the open that we can still read and consider the issues. But to ex-TWI that still tries to sweep these things under the rug.....TTTTTHHHHHPPPPP!!!!! Your just helping the nasties hide under their rock. And that rock is NOT JESUS CHRIST, FOOLS. (edited for spelling)
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