waylaid

I'll spare sending my photo. Can imagine what you would think. Kinda harsh.

haha, Thanks, George. You know, it's funny. A lot of former Way Corps get the bad rap just out of association. I think there are a few here with an axe to grind that must make it hard for those like you who truly just want to help others not make the same mistakes or accelerate their healing. You and I would have gotten along in or out of the Way Corps because we both have the same basic goal - to help God's people. You seem like a nice man. Waylaid (Well, that's all from me for a while. I'll check back some day.)

Okay, I got it. Thanks for the explanation. Waylaid

Good stuff. What does it mean? You know, for someone just coming in to the conversation. I'm not up on all the 'code' words as of yet. You have a serious amount of posts here and must have some inside understanding that a neophyte doesn't. What's with the Beretta and how is that pertinent to what we were talking about? (Remember, not all of us are 'insiders' and don't know what you mean.) Please be patient and work with me here. It just seemed the conversation flipped to something else. I am not aware of all of the extraneous stuff that happened. Just trying to catch up. Waylaid

Yes, you're right. I spoke out of turn. I wasn't trying to prove a point. Just saying.... Personally, I think you all pretty much exposed it. I think you got it right. Expose on. Not trying to give you my permission, I know you don't need that. I know, I know. You made that abundantly clear. Really no place for me here. I was just trying to let some of you know that there is something beyond what we experienced. Not at all being condescending, just trying to help some. Good day, Waylaid (You need say nothing more about my post or try to dissect it. I get it.)

Yeah, I get that. Not a doctor. I meet plenty of people that misrepresent themselves. I mean, how many times are we going to say that? There are still 'paper mills' today. I just don't know. Not trying to be critical here. Didn't God say, "Vengeance is mine..."? He is keeping score. Don't sweat the petty stuff AND surely don't pet the sweaty stuff. I think sometimes I want to get even for someone doing me harm or who has done me harm. I let God take that one on. Is He not still in the picture? I understand 'righteous anger', but it has it's limits. I don't want to get to the point where I am trying to do His job (not saying you are), I just have confidence that He will keep His word on this one. Really coming from the heart here. Truly sorry some of you got so hurt. It grieves me tremendously. I wish I knew then what I know now but I didn't. I would have tried to protect some of you if I had the ability. Wish you all well and Godspeed in your deliverance, Waylaid

I know I've said it before, but I will attempt to say it again in another way. I really think that using terms like 'The Way Corpse' , the 'Forehead' and 'Vee PeePee' are a bit immature. I totally understand that there are some here that were wronged. Very wronged. I truly sympathize. I do. But, what is gained by reducing ourselves to that level? Therapeutic? I don't know. Not a psychologist. Please don't 'pigpile' me on what I am saying. I am just saying. I personally didn't participate in the wrong stuff that went on. I graduated from the Way Corps. I should not be lumped together with those that hurt some of you. I understand having an open forum for talking things out. It gets offensive at times. I agree that Dr. Wierwille had great faults. Same with Craig Martindale. I had issues with each of them, even in the Way Corps. I won't, however, let that cause me to stumble today and say things I wouldn't say to their faces yesterday. I should have spoken up when I strongly disagreed. I didn't. I will live with that. They will have to deal with the way they treated me personally some day. Several times they made me feel like garbage - no matter how hard I tried - and I tried. Like I said - God keeps score - He will deal with them. I only say this in the love of God and hope some of you can let go and experience what I have - a new lease on life without the guilt of trying to constantly live up to a false standard. Waylaid

Good points, all. I (speaking for myself only) don't reminisce about the 'good ol'days' with anyone. I didn't like a lot of it. I despised the control and the unsolicited advice from my coordinators. Hated it. I just said I wasn't aware of how horrific things were. I know now. It must seem crazy to some of you that there were some innocent ostriches involved like me. I just didn't see the really bad stuff that I have learned about since. I totally believe the stories and feel terrible I didn't see it. I am ashamed I wanted to be like some of the worst of them and used to go to bed at night wondering why I didn't have what it took to be a top leader (never was a top leader). Okay, I will sign off for good. I shared my piece. Wasn't much but it is about all I have to share. Really sorry for some of you that you had such heartwrenching times. I mean that. God bless and I pray for your healing (even saying that makes me (shudder) pause hoping those particular words aren't considered offensive or salt in the wound these days). Waylaid out

Hi Ex- Dirty Dozen. Waylaid

Looking back, I suppose there were quite a few of us that were completely oblivious to the sex stuff. No doubt it occurred. I think they didn't bother with us 'spiritual nerds'. We weren't nerdy looking or acting, just goofy for Jesus. We were like the 'Untouchables'. Even if they asked us point-blank if we wanted to have sex, we probably would have said something like, "Yeah, right, good one." and rolled our eyes and reported for duty to Bless Patrol at 3 am. To answer the question, no, it wasn't something that was taught to the masses. The only stories we (us nerds) ever heard about stuff like that involved John L. , Dave S. and maybe a couple of others. There were actually some good doobies in the 'Way Corpse' as some of you condescending refer to us as. Waylaid I meant 'condescendingly'. Sorry.

HCW - Thanks for sharing that. Great memories. Still, has anyone answered the question about the Advanced Class 98 debacle? What was that all about?

I am truly sorry that some experienced those type of things. It grieves me beyond explanation. I was one of those that had no idea. To those that endured that stuff, I am sorry I couldn't help at the time. I certainly would have - just had no idea. Real spiritual awareness and perception, huh? Take care, Waylaid

Shellon, Tzaira, Copenhagen and others - Thanks for the heartfelt personal emails. I learned a bit about this place today and will be careful not to step on toes in the future. In the words of Ace Ventura, "Alrighty then!" Take care, Waylaid P.S. I don't feel picked on. I deserved it.

My head is starting to hurt. I give up.

Thanks, Jeff and Chockfull, Sometime by tomorrow I should know how my new .... works. I don't think we need to spend anymore time on little ol' me. We can now go back to our regularly scheduled program - "The Corps (or Corpse if you please) and Witnessing". Back to you in the control booth, Jim. Thanks, Waylaid.......... Waylaid