ChasUFarley

HQ is interesting to look at - if you zoom in and angle it just so, you can make out the OSC roof, etc., but not so detailed that you can see Mrs. W's old home... and that's about as close to New Knoxville, OH as I ever want to get again!

My sister downloaded and installed WinFixer 2000 thinking she'd done a good thing... She was about to bring her PC to the Best Buy techs for fixin', but called me to see if I could help... She had pop-up springing up so fast-n-furious that we couldn't have Explorer open to download McAfee and/or Mozilla's FireFox. She wasn't using a pop-up blocker, and was using an old version of PCillian. I ended up having to put FireFox and McAfee on a flash drive, install them, run the scans - several times - and ta-da! (Kid sister was finally good for something!) It took a while, but we got there. McAfee found over 400 spyware files the first time - and several more with other scans. It seems her teenagers (she's got 3 of 'em - gawd help her!) were using LimeWire - they had downloaded tons of crap. (Aunt Chas has a little chat with them after that!) She was also running Windows ME - we upgraded that to XP Home (really need Professional, but we is po' right now!) So, that's my WinFixer story... And, you may wonder how I knew to use McAfee... It was HOURS of reading and research on how to get rid of it without spending a ton of money, after hubby had downloaded it, thinking he'd done a good thing! GGGGGGRRRRRRRRRR!

As a Trekkie, I'm delighted to see this thread - thank you! Okay, here's TWI's rendition of some of the rules: Rule 001: "Once you have their money, never give it back." TWI: "And don't let them know what you've REALLY done with it." Rule 002: "The best deal is the one that brings the most profit." TWI: "The more you charge for a class, the more 'spiritual' it will seem." Rule 003: "Never spend more for an acquisition than you have to." TWI: "And if you do, FIRE the guy who made the purchasing decision!" Rule 006: "Never allow family to stand in the way of opportunity." TWI: "AMEN!" Rule 008: "Small print leads to large risk." TWI: "You'll find out on a need-to-know basis!" Rule 009: "Opportunity plus instinct equals profit." TWI: "We've revised the Foundational Class - AGAIN - how EXCITING!" Rule 012: "Anything worth doing is worth doing for money." TWI: "AMEN!" Rule 013: "Anything worth doing is worth doing twice." TWI: "Or more! See Rule 009 for details!" Rule 019: "Satisfaction is not guaranteed." TWI: "If you complain, you're possessed. Period." Rule 021: "Never place friendship before profit." TWI: "AMEN!" Rule 022: "A wise man can hear profit in the wind." TWI: "Or it could be the beans from lunch... remember to ABUNDANTLY SHARE!" Rule 024: "Latinum can't buy happiness, but you can sure have a blast renting it." TWI: "We're moving to a better section of town next weekend - you should see the new Limb Home!" Rule 025: "There's always a way out." TWI: "Yes, and it's called Marked and Avoid!" Rule 029: "What's in it for me?" TWI: "Stop thinking about yourself but how you can BLESS the HOUSEHOLD!" Rule 033: "It never hurts to suck up to the boss." TWI: "You too can be a briefcase toting Hitler!" Rule 041: "Profit is its own reward." TWI: "The more you give us, the more rewards you'll have in heaven!" Rule 047: "Don't trust a man wearing a better suit than your own." TWI: "Unless it's the MOG - you can't dress better than the MOG, or you'll make him look bad!" Rule 048: "The bigger the smile, the sharper the knife. TWI: "AMEN!" Rule 050: "Gratitude can bring on generosity." TWI: "So, send in those Thank You cards and gifts after each time you've sat through the class!"

So, uh.... pond... :unsure: ... are you saying that someone shouldn't divorce because they made a vow before God, and a vow for being clergy should NOT come before the marriage, but since some clergy got divorced than that makes them hypocrits? :blink: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uh, Paw.... We need an emoticon of a smiley face drinking - like a beer or martini or something... I NEED A DRINK!

This is what comes up when you look for County Road 9, Gunnison, CO Camp Gunnison Way Household 970 641 0936 606 County Road 9 Gunnison, CO 81230, United States snowsearch.net... Camp Gunnison The Way Household Ranch, Map, 14.19 miles. (970) 641-0936 606 County Road 9, Gunnison, CO 81230. Resorts. - 4 more » The coordinates are: 38 deg.36'51.38" N / 106 deg 52'40.06"W Zoom in a bit - it's not detailed well - they won't like that! LOL!

WordWolf - not to derail this thread, but could you please go into a little more detail on the situation you are referring to, above? Thanks!

I was always leery of the Leader's Stepford Wife who said, "Follow your man, no matter how wrong he is!" because most of the women I knew who said stuff like that are the ones who really wore "the pants" in the marriage! During "da fog", I remember LCM ranting during WC night hook ups about several upper leadership couples who left. He very often blamed the wife - saying that she deceived her husband and made him leave - she was the reason for their decision, in other words. Funny, he could never blame the men - or seldom blamed the men - he usually had issues with the women... Knowing what I know now about LCM and his preference for some women, I also wonder how many of those women he really 'knew'.....

Mr. Lingo - I love your posts - you have away with words (malaprop intended)! Although I was never in the WC, I remember some funky excellor sessions while taking the Intermediate Class. Some of the practices would be like... SIT w/ interpretation ten times in a row... or SIT out loud using a different letter in the alphabet each time... Turning the manifestations into exercises took the supernatural-ness (if that's a word...) out of the message. They became mechanical - things - tools, if you will. They weren't as special then - they didn't seem inspired anymore. It was like spiritual calestheics - boring, but served a purpose... Someone posted about the "Someone,-please-speak-in-tongues-and-interpret" phrase that would often be used. I hated those, although being a loud, outspoken person myself, usually did it because I didn't want to get yelled at later when NO ONE jumped up to do it... That happened a couple of times - it was painful. Come to think of it, they sure perfected the art of taking something simple and spiritual and making it painful, and mechanical... Isn't that religion, tho?

All I can think of, as I look at that forum, is that old joke, "What has 100 legs and 50 pubic hairs?" The posters of the TWI Forum! (The real answer is "The first row of a Back Street Boyz concert!")

It's more like... "Movies Guaranteed to Make Women Leave The Room (or Go Shopping!)" Beevis & Butthead (Time/Life Collection) The Three Stooges (any - pick one) School of Rock Full Metal Jacket XMen (I love these, too!) Dazed and Confused (also loved it!) GoodFellas Pirate of The Caribbean (rumor has it that Keith Richards will be in the 2nd or 3rd movie, as Johnny Depp's character's father!)

The AARP thing.... I don't know how or why this happens, but several other women I work with, who also have had babies in the past year, are suddenly alerted by AARP that they have qualified for membership -- we think there's some screw up with the enrollment info and the hospital forms or something, as we're all 30-somethings. So, it is true that having kids makes you old! I have proof from AARP!

We just found the village in Greece where hubby's parents are from - although the detail wasn't great, it certainly was interesting to see - and there were posts from other Google Earth members from the area - GO FIGURE!

This is too cool! If you watch the tour, it eventually ends up in Baghdad, where you will see comments like "Is This A Bullseye?" all over the place! LOL!

Notice how these women are "10"s? Not a fat, old, or ugly one amongst them... No men, either... What's their market? DUH? (I wanna see Winonna Judd or Kristie Alley or some other fat slob like Elton John doing this - then I'll be impressed!)

BTW - I totally see this as a way to produce revenue - NOT to teach the Word, NOT to bring new light to the household, and NOT to free the enslaved.... You can bet your bottom dollar that all old grads of WOAP will soon be told they are NO LONGER GRADS OF ANY CLASS until they have taken this NEWEST CLASS... Been there - done that. Got the t-shirt. Used for a cleaning rag already!

You know, just as "devil's advocate", I wonder if we DID show up with our little green cards, and they DID NOT let us in, if that could be considered a breech of contract in a court of law? Hmmmm? (To keep mine and Pawtucket's tuckus' outta hot water, I am NOT advocating we DO that - okay?)

Good assessment, markomalley.... I always said the real trinity was God, VPW (or LCM - take your pick), and Jesus Christ.... In THAT order!

Bagpipes - You remind me of myself when I left. The best thing you can do is share, connect, and allow yourself to be HUMAN - FINALLY. God equipped you with emotions - TWI taught us how to bottle them up. Breaking free from the bondage of TWI is one step - one day - one post - one thread - at a time. The more distance you place between yourself and TWI, the healthier you will be. You are headed in the right direction - you are greiving a loss - no different than with a divorce or death. Next, you will heal. It's a cycle, but a gradual one. Don't look for ways to measure it - remember growth without compulsion - just be. Hugs to you and welcome to freedom!

You were FWC - you were close by. Why didn't you? Or were you too busy stringing chairs in the chapel with Brad? :) (We've met, by the way - You're a kiwi, right?) How quickly you forget that Craiggers is an untouchable -- he had very tight security at HQ, and last known, lives with believers. I know some Spotters have been by the gym where he works - there's been posts. I'm sure there's more than that - I think someone named Paul Allen brought him to court or something... something about a lawsuit... and some forum called Waydale - but maybe I'm mistaken...

You should have been thankful for the abundance of Word coming from the root local of God's Household that was brought to you with such love of and for God each week. The Present Truth that was served to you on a silver platter was to protect and shield you from the wiles of the Adversary. By receiving God's Word as it was taught, you were able to gird your loins to the attacks the Adversary, and his realm, and prepare your heart for the week ahead, as you had the light of the truth illuminating your path, and the blessings of God heaped upon you because you made yourself available to hear his Word. So, write your damn Thank You card!

Let me tell you about what happens when you try to leave... Xxxxx and I had just had a huge fight about something really stupid - he was upset because I paid too much attention to our cat, in his opinion. He wanted me to get rid of the cat - I refused and fought to keep the cat. (That cat was like a child - he was just that one-in-a-million pet that you get - if you're lucky!) It got to the point where Xxxxx backed me into a corner - physically - wrapped one hand around my throat, and the other hand grabbed the top my head, while he s-c-r-e-a-m-e-d at me for a good 10 mins. - it felt like eternity. He twisted his body sideways and pinned me so I couldn't knee him. I remember him yelling over-and-over "I just want to take the top of your head off and make your brain work the way it should! I wish I was God so I could do it!" I defused him as best I could - somehow got him to calm down and to see that the cat wasn't so evil. (Was this twisted or what?) And when he finally went somewhere, I started packing the car - yuppers, I was gonna LEAVE! He got back, and I told him it was over - I was headed back home. All I needed was my books, clothes, and the cat! Well, he called leadership and got this goon of a branch coordinator to come over - So, guess what? This jerk comes in my house, yelling at me for leaving! I told him to get out and went back to the bedroom to pack. I told him what happened and he said - I'm not kidding - "I don't blame him! I'd've wanted to do the same thing!" and then something like "God shouldn't have given women brains - just p---ies!" Like, that's all women were good for. He did give Xxxxx hell for laying a hand on me - and talked me down from leaving by playing the "who are you going to go to? You're leaving the ministry that gave you the Word! You're not going to be anybody without us - you vowed before God to submit to this man, etc." - I'm sure many of you have heard the same thing. So, I stayed. I didn't want to. I wasn't raised to allow a man to even speak to me like this - never mind let him touch me the way Xxxxx did. This wasn't the only incident like this - there were more - some worse. This was relatively mild, overall. It wasn't the only time leadership shamed, feared, and conned me into staying. I hated them for it but felt sooo trapped. So, you build your life around a ministry that teaches you to forsake your unbeliever friends and family. You build your life around an emotionally and mentally unstable man. You put thousands of miles between you and your family or people who could help you. You believe it just might get better, all you need is the next ___________ class. You get hit over the head with scripture enough to believe that something WILL happen to YOU if you leave - and since you're the bottom of the leadership food chain because you're a married woman... Well... Yeah, who wouldn't feel they had no choices but to stay in a mess like that? It was only when we really hit rock bottom and had NOTHING left to loose, that I wasable to leave - and it was soooo liberating! So, yeah, I was miserable, I complained (when I didn't have to wear a twig-smile), and I saw the wrongness of it all... but now do you understand why many women stay?

Yuppers! Your turn!

Sorry I'm just now getting back guys - been a wild weekend! Here's you go... Well you may tell the captain that I am disinclined to acquiesce to his request.

igotout - thanks for sharing your stuff... Yes, this stuff is on the 'net, but there's also a lot of crapola that you wouldn't want to touch with a 10 foot pole - WinFixer 2000, anyone? -- So I defer to guys like you who know your schtuff but don't talk down to wanna-be techies like me who love learning about this sort of thing - which brings me full circle to why I like this forum! By the way, I just got a new position at the hospital where I work as a computer operator - backing up the servers, logging down time, doing help desk calls, etc. - it's per diem, third shift (for 10 frekkin' hours, but it pays the bills). (I had my hours cut badly in December - had to do something - at least this is better than scrubbin' toilets or scooping Jell-o - imo.) Anyhow, on my want to techy-dom! =========== If anyone's in the market for a refirb iPod, Apple Store has them at up to 42% off MSRP on some models - If you're in the doghouse from Valentine's Day, this could redeem you!

Their cracker slipped off their cheese a loooonnnggggggggg time ago, but they haven't noticed.