ChasUFarley

Wait a minute... Socks-a-roni was in Joyful Noise? Seriously?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong - not that's that something I have to ask for around here - but, isn't the point of this that this scripture is pretty clear about the behavior that someone, a believer, in the body must have to inherit the Kingdom of Heaven? And aren't there some people who post in these-here-parts who believe you can live like... er... or even SHE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED and till inherit the Kingdom of Heaven (i.e. rewards at the bema, etc.)??

Okay, pass the fried chicken, please. I've got my papa san chair warmed up... How about some different versions, eh? KING JAMES VERSION: I Corinthians 6:9 & 10 (KJV) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. YOUNG'S LITERAL TRANSLATION: have ye not known that the unrighteous the reign of God shall not inherit? be not led astray; neither whoremongers, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, the reign of God shall inherit. WORLD ENGLISH BIBLE: 6:9 Or don't you know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexuals, 6:10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor slanderers, nor extortioners, will inherit the Kingdom of God. THE MESSAGE: 9Don't you realize that this is not the way to live? Unjust people who don't care about God will not be joining in his kingdom. Those who use and abuse each other, use and abuse sex, 10use and abuse the earth and everything in it, don't qualify as citizens in God's kingdom. (This version makes me want to go over to the pot thread on the General forum...) Amplified Bible (AMP) 9Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality, 10Nor cheats (swindlers and thieves), nor greedy graspers, nor drunkards, nor foulmouthed revilers and slanderers, nor extortioners and robbers will inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God. Contemporary English Version (CEV) 9Don't you know that evil people won't have a share in the blessings of God's kingdom? Don't fool yourselves! No one who is immoral or worships idols or is unfaithful in marriage or is a pervert or behaves like a homosexual 10will share in God's kingdom. Neither will any thief or greedy person or drunkard or anyone who curses and cheats others. New Life Version (NLV) 9Do you not know that sinful men will have no place in the holy nation of God? Do not be fooled. A person who does sex sins, or who worships false gods, or who is not faithful in marriage, or men who act like women, or people who do sex sins with their own sex, will have no place in the holy nation of God. 10Also those who steal, or those who always want to get more of everything, or who get drunk, or who say bad things about others, or take things that are not theirs, will have no place in the holy nation of God. No new light in any of these, is there? Not really - I mean, nothing we haven't discussed over popcorn and chicken, already... But here's this commentary: Sins which, if lived and died in, shut out from the kingdom of God. The Corinthians are warned against many great evils, of which they had formerly been guilty. There is much force in these inquiries, when we consider that they were addressed to a people puffed up with a fancy of their being above others in wisdom and knowledge. All unrighteousness is sin; all reigning sin, nay, every actual sin, committed with design, and not repented of, shuts out of the kingdom of heaven. Be not deceived. Men are very much inclined to flatter themselves that they may live in sin, yet die in Christ, and go to heaven. But we cannot hope to sow to the flesh, and reap everlasting life. They are reminded what a change the gospel and grace of God had made in them. The blood of Christ, and the washing of regeneration, can take away all guilt. Our justification is owing to the suffering and merit of Christ; our sanctification to the working of the Holy Spirit; but both go together. All who are made righteous in the sight of God, are made holy by the grace of God. (1Co 6:12-20) Yet, this commentary expounds - not argues - I Cor. 6:9-10 - but does it by looking more into the context in which the verses were presented. So, I'll settle back onto my papa san, lift my glass of wine in salute, and watch what happens next....

Eagle - I can help you with that discerning what people -- there's two grouping you can use: ALL US POSTERS.... and Mike.

About the Harp Guitar - if y'all ever get to Boston, the Boston Museum of Fine Arts has a great collection of instruments to see and sometimes there's demos - worth the trip! I've also had a chance to see Chet Atkins collection (part of it, I'm sure) when I lived in Nashville. At the time I didn't have a lot of appreciation for what I was looking at ("Ohhhh... look at the blue one!" ) it was on display at OperyLand. I wish I could find a link for it now - I'm hoping it wasn't sold in an estate sale after his death... that would be heartbreaking!

The guitar in the eBay listing is in China - most Chinese made guitars are crap. Japanese or USA made are different - better craftsmenship. As with many things these days, there are just a couple of factories that make certain items - they are dedicated to that item - like guitars - but they make them for several labels. I would guess that this was a crap guitar made with a Gibson label slapped on the headstock. It may even have a legit serial number (i.e. the number will be in sync with the numbers issued at that time) BUT try contacting Gibson after you get the thing and see what support they can give you? This same seller also sells Ibanez - he has a listing for a JEM w/ Monkey Grip - if you look at the area around the pups, there's noticable gaps. http://cgi.ebay.com/admirable-Beautiful-mu...1QQcmdZViewItem This link is from another forum that I haunt - Ibanez Collectors Forum. They had quite a discussion about cheep Chinese junk - check out the photos - I cringe - bad, bad workmanship: http://www.ibanezcollectors.com/discus/mes...html?1139070379

Can you give a cat some Bean-o? :blink:

Different pickguards, too - which isn't as important as the neck, but could be a counterfeit...

Holy smokes - you guys gotta check this out: http://cgi.ebay.com/1964-LAKE-PLACID-BLUE-...1QQcmdZViewItem This guitar isn't as beat as it could be, considering it's age... but... wow... this thing is going to go for a pretty penny... By the way... Any of you guys have cats? We have two of the beasts, and every time we open up the case and pull out the axe, a cat roots himself or herself snugly into the case for a nap.... We've decided to market guitar cases as cat beds! LOL!

Tom - I've wondered how some of it didn't stay outta the Soap Opera forum, myself... Someone here said that it's a more logical (for the most part) forum. I'm paraphrasing here, so nobody get your nickers in a knot, k? (I'm sick of getting smacked on the nose because someone thinks paraphrasing = twisting what was written.... But the forum has a lot of strong, opinionated people posting there who each think their views are THE view. (That's my nod to THE, okay?) It's a great place to post if you like getting the snot beat out of you when you disagree with someone (i.e. Momentus wasn't that bad...).... That being said... I would like make a motion that we have a PFAL section for those people who want to play on that field and basically separate PFAL from the Doctorine forum. Maybe we could call it the Quadrinity Forum (you know, God, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, and VPW)...

Belle - The stories I could tell you about what those two demons already know how to do would curl your hair... I'm convinced that boys are born knowing how to make fart-noises in their armpits, and other talents that make us girls go, "eeeewwwwww....." Hubby has already taught Kristopher to answer "Deep fried dung beetles!" whenever he hears someone say, "What's for supper?" Now that I think about it, what Tom knows is probably an improvement! ===================== Interesting post Grace/Belle about missing being with a group, etc. - perhaps that can bring this forum to full circle - perhaps people found GSC/Waydale because they missed belonging to a group of (ahem...) likeminded people (I use that term very loosely on this forum, lemme tell you....) I've been church shopping myself - but haven't found anything yet that's really worth the trouble. Either the doctorine is a total mess - I've found myself sitting in a pew thinking about how I'd write the pastor a letter about the holes in his teaching - or there was "politics" going on (no thank you) or they were so boring you wanted to hold a mirror under their nose to check for steam - "Hello...? Do they have a pulse?" So, maybe this is the church for me... The Church of the Poisioned Minds! (a la GSC!)

A thousand pardons. (Tell you what - you come here Tom and chase my two little hell raisers all day (starting around 5:30 AM), and see how much grey matter you're still working with at 10:50 PM.... k?)

Poor Tom! That's how I felt when I first started hanging out with hubby. His idea of the perfect date was lunch and schlepping around music stores. I was lost... but the lingo rubs off on you after a while. I didn't know what a headstock or pickup or any of that was - forget it. In fact, when he first told me that he knew how to play guitar, I wasn't impressed.... "Yeah, that's nice...." Here's an idea... Wanna know what the best bathroom reading in the world is? Guitar World magazine! You bet 'cha! So, next time you're in Shaw's or Krogers or Cosco or whatever you have for chain grocery/drug stores, get yourself one at the mag stand, and schlep into the bathroom with it - after a few issues of it, you'll be edumacated. :)

No, we didn't end up getting it - PHEW! I convinced hubby that we really needed the money elsewhere (like, fencing in the yard before the baby really starts walking!) I can usually talk him down - not always. I didn't realize I was feeding the GAS monster when I bought him a guitar for a wedding present - that's when he got the 12-string. Before we hooked up he only had a Fender Texas Strat, a Fender American Strat, and a Martin 6-string - he only has the American Strat left and has traded/upgraded, etc., and more than doubled his collection... Gee... think I need another device for my computer, come to think of it... Anyhow, I may pull the trigger myself on one of these guitars - like for Father's Day or something... like, he deserves it... HA! ========== socks - the Les Paul 335 tone you were talkin' about - isn't that basically what Joe Perry (Aerosmith) plays? I know hubby is really picky about his amps for tone - he's really into tube amps and upgrading his tubes (Eurotubes) for the best tone. He says it's a warmer, more natural sound - he's not into the digital thing, really. I also know that he likes playing with a little (tiny) bit of reverb kicked in. Considering what he likes playing (he plays in a cover band during the summer - rock and roll, oldies, etc.), it's a fitting sound for him. I wish he'd post on this thread - but things have been so busy here, I don't think he's had time to sort the mail... he's a school teacher.... (I always kid him about it.... "Yup, mild-mannered math teacher by day, rock and roll hoodlem at night!")

Jerry - Haven't seen you around these parts for a while - good to cyber-see-you! Always enjoyed your posts - Grace - Hope you're still around the baord - What year were you WOW, may I ask?

I felt bad for the kid when Ryan Seacrest said, "Good-bye Chicken Little!" or something like that - last night. I mean, the kid is sorta geeky looking, but he's only 16 years old. He did more than many adults would dare to do. Seacrest is also dumb as a bag of hair - he's said some incredibly insensitive things to contestants and judges - yet Simon always gets the best of him - love it! I wouldn't shed a tear if Seacrest moved on - for the life of me, I can't figure out how he got Caycee Caseum's gig doing countdowns - he's not that great and doesn't have a good radio voice - just average.

DIY project, a la HGTV, are not my thing. When we first bought the house, had kids, etc., I was really into watching HGTV. Next thing I knew, I was convinced we needed new flooring, and that the livingroom walls needed to be painted brick red. The couch wasn't hip enough, so of course slipcovers were considered. Wall decor was needed, and tiling the bathroom seemed like a good idea.... ..."STOP THE MADNESS!" cried Hubby. So, I shut off the TV. The couch is still unhip and the livingroom is still painted Navaho White - not brick red. The new flooring, and tiling are pipe dream. The wall decor - well... it's pics of the kids and family. Some painting was done in the diningroom, hallway, and bedrooms. We stopped there - basically 6 gallons of paint. That's as DIY as we get. Afterall, the kids are lucky if we replace the batteries in their toys within six months after they die. We're not lazy - just not motivated about these things. We like to hire people to do it - works for us. Last summer we put a 12' x 10' sunroom on a deck that we never used - now it's the best room in the house (but the flooring isn't finished - go figure). This year we are fencing in the yard - which will be a DIY project - unless, you know any good contractors...

Did anyone try to control you? There were rules about whether or not you could travel out of the state - even if it was just to go shopping for an hour or visit a relative - you had to fill out a form and have it approved ahead of time. You had to pass in a schedule each week about your plans about the upcoming week - it was set up by hourly increments for each day of the week. Then, you had to pass info about how you went off schedule - how things changed from your plans, etc. So, there was control in that they wanted to know where you were, who you were with, and what happened. There's many other examples I could give you about this but the really ironic thing was that they always said, "you have freewill choice." If any of you were pregnant or significant other was pregnant, did you have any difficulties with twi? if so what were they? If you were on staff, as I was, you weren't supposed to get pregnant unless you were 30 or older for your first baby, and if it was your second baby it was if you were 35 or something like that. I know of a couple who were "dismissed" for having a slew of kids - I think they had like 7 or 8 kids - but they were great parents - good people. When I was on the fields (not on staff), I had a miscarriage and was told that I shouldn't use it as an excuse not to go to a meeting the following day that I was supposed to work set up crew for - so, I went. Were you scared at any point and why? I was scared everytime the phone rang after a while because it seemed like someone was always yelling about something or wanted something from you when you were spread so thin you felt like melted butter. What drew you to this group? There were some honestly nice people - good friends - even to this day. The Bible was taught like I'd never heard it taught - it "scratched an itch". The people so believed in what they were in to - it was contageous! Do you think you were brainwashed or doing things by your own will? Some poster here once used the analogy of a frog in boiling water - supposedly, if you place a frog in a kettle of water, slowly turn up the heat, the frog will get comfortable, sleepy, and not realize he's about to be boiled until it's too late (gross, I know)... I got involved out of my own free will. I stayed involved because of my husband, and after my divorce because I felt "obligated". Also, there was a lot of teaching about how if you left, you would die - you would suffer - so, I was scared to leave. After a while, I just felt trapped. What were the known rules inside the group that they don't talk or write about outside of the group? Where to begin... adultry didn't seem like a bad thing (but I dunno - never tried it, myself), abortion was perfectly acceptable - they taught a baby wasn't a living thing until it took a breath. Those are the big 'rules' or beliefs they held but never really addressed in print for EVERYONE. What beliefs did/do they follow? I'll see if I can find you their Statement Of Beliefs document. It doesn't sound any different from what any church might have BUT once you've had their classes, you learn to read between the lines. What did you think was really false about the group? The rules were always changing, yet they tried to quote (misuse) Bible verses to justify their flip-flop policies on things. People who you thought were friends would disclose intimate things about you - things you'd shared with them - to upper leadership, just to make themselves look good. Another poster, someone who was in an upper leadership position, posted that he knew there were two sets of financial books - that was in the 1970's. There's lots of things... Did they limit you to have certain things or not to own certain things? You were told to travel light - not have too many possessions. There was something called "Uncle Harry Day" - the founder's brother, Harry Wierwille, would weed out his house about once a year and purge things he no longer used or needed. Not a bad practice, really, but some people would go overboard. My husband laments about how "Uncle Harry" got his best Led Zepplin albums - LOL! Were there money issues? You were supposed to tithe plus more - tithe is 10% - but they taught you should share more - share of your abundance. Of course, most people worked grunt jobs, made min. wage and didn't have a lot of "abundance". It was a joke. You also weren't supposed to be in debt - NONE - not even a mortgage. Even child support was considered debt - I know of people who signed over their parental rights to their ex-spouse just to "get out of debt" - SICK! Is there any kind of symbol or trademark that they used? Go to this link: http://www.theway.org/contact.htm You'll see a globe/tree looking thing. That's their trademark. What is PFAL? Power for Abundant Living is a 12 hour Bible class. What is "twig" ("twig" cordinator)? The Way likes to use tree analogy - Headquarters is referred to as the Trunk, the state level leadership is referred to as Limbs, and the groups in the state that meet in the homes are called Twigs. The leaders of the home fellowships were called twig coordinators - they are now called "Household Fellowship Coordinators" because it was thought that the term twig coordinator was out-of-date...

If you like the Companion Bible, then you may be interested in a Dake: http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Boo...*Dake&p=1018818 Chef - you ever go to a CBD tent or clearance sale? They have them in MA sometimes - if you ever want to hook up to go to one, let me know. I used to be their print rep - loved that company - great books at excellent prices - I walked out with a huge box of books for something like $60 - (Got a Dake for $19 - it's normally about $80!)

Kit - that's so the seats can 'drip dry' - I'd rather put a seat down than sit on wet cleaner - it's a yucky feeling, especially when you stand up again and it runs down the backs of your legs... :blink: (But my guys - the ones outta diapers - are trained to put the seat back down when they're done - and they do!)

Bramble - YES - I remember that! GROOVE = RUT!

Monster board is often helpful at times like this - I had a toxic boss (still have her, in fact) but learned how to deal with her so I didn't "catch the disease" if you know what I mean... This link is for the Bully at the Workplace forum: http://community.monster.com/Forums/ShowFo...aspx?ForumID=95 There's been some good advice here, too. It stinks when the people who you have to spend the majority of your waking hours with during the day are just complete @$$holes... By the way - ever ask this dude why he left his last job? hmmmm?

Thank you - this thread needed that! I love you!

GreasyTech - I totally agree. It's all slathered with a good dose of elitism, too. They re-hash something taught 30 years ago, then review the re-hash, make it into a yearly theme, and pretend it's the "Present Truth". They haven't had an original thought since the earth cooled. The sad thing is that they don't rehash some of the interesting things - like Witness of the Stars, or any of Bullinger's or Tinsdale's works. No. It's all limited to what's been taught in the STS, the Way Mag, or was in a collateral. Some people are okay with this - some, who aren't in TWI anymore, and even post on this board with the rest of us heretics, think it's fine-and-dandy and will take you to task if you try to say anything contrary to what they think is right.... Whatever blows your skirt up, mate.

My wedding (Hubby, version 1.0, I call him), was a ministry wedding. It was in 1992, although we had gotten engaged a year before. We got in trouble when we got engaged because we didn't okay it with leadership - although they didn't make a big stink about it. Marriage counseling was the worst. That was my first experience with leadership asking really personal questions - it was creepy. We weren't allowed to get married until we had completed the Advance Class, so that's what we did... My parent came from Maine for the wedding - we were living in Tuscaloosa, AL at the time. My dad was quite a bit older - he was 73 and had COPD, and emphysema - 60 years of smoking Camels will do that to you. I remember we were at rehearsal, set up, etc. all took place the morning before the wedding - can you imagine? This was because the leadership didn't want to have to travel an extra hour-and-a-half the next day to do the ceremony. Go firgure. So, all morning, we cleaned, did set-up, and when it came time for the rehearsal, I had to go get Dad. When I got to the apartment, Dad was in a full blown coughing fit - if you've never been around anyone with this sort of condition, it's the hardest, most horrible sounding coughing you can imagine - really bad. I waited until he regained his composure - he was a very dignified man, which I respected - BUT we were now late. When I got back to the place where we were getting married, we were only 10 minutes late - people were still cleaning, etc., - but Mr. Leadership was suddenly in my face. BIG TIME. "Where have you been? People have been waiting for you." Then, and I'll never forget this - he says, "I'll never do this for you again!" (What a dumb thing to say to someone getting married...) To top it off, rehearsal went long, so guess what - I didn't get to shower - nothing - and had to throw on my dress and run down the aisle, basically. I remember feeling absolutely yucky - it was not what I had in mind that day. I think I slathered on some makeup and hairspray - but I'd been cleaning windows all morning! And my dress... it was Jessica McClintock that my mother had made for me (she was a seamstress). I felt so bad for putting it on before being able to clean up - she had worked so hard and it was just beautiful! The wedding and reception went well - the parental units and the leadership actually bonded - they hit it off great and stayed in touch for a couple of years afterward - that was a good memory at least... (When I upgraded to Hubby 2.0, I made sure we didn't have to do a lick of set-up or anything - it was worth every penny!)