justloafing

Chef, I think I opened that can of worms. Yeah I know what you mean about trying to get people to come to twi. I believe God knows the heart in which you did it (with the heart of a child) ;)-->

I wonder if he listens to God Smack these days :D-->

Thanks for the corrections. I wont ever forget. :)--> I was referring to why so many knew what was going on and did not speak a thing about it was: 1.) They were involved getting women for these monsters. 2.) They feared twi that much and what would happen to them. It was very deep spiritualy and the darkness of it all was and is known to a few that ran the ring or the victims. When I posted about the Allen's. They did blow the roof off of the whole place (twi) by making it ever so public and that can't be denied. Yes some spoke out and warned people but the magnatude of what the Allen case did to expose twi made it well known for all to see. I also know people did confront twi about the misdeeds and they were left broken individuls and families. I really did not mean to step on any toes and am greatly saddned for what thousands endured at the hands of these people. I despise them (twi) as much as you do. When I left I had no idea what was going on but I did think twi was not on the up'n up about a lot of things. I did not have any proof for myself until waydale. To this day if I am ever asked about twi I will "scream" of what a rotten to the core and destructive cult they are and send them here to read for themselves.

Chef, You make some good points but I have to say this for me. I too suspected something was going on but did not know for sure. I was even told there was a very stong possability there was something going on. I warned no one. The facts are vp was showing porn to under aged kids and no one out of the thousands spoke up until either waydale of gsc. The Allens were the first blow this dirty little cult out of the water Before that there were people that knew of or had even been raped that never said a word. It was a mind set atleast with the doggie video that we were seeing devil spirits at work and that was educational --> . The rape part and I am not even talking about the victims but the ones that knew. My guess they feared of what was going to happen to them. It was all of the devil and it was exposed in a big way finaly only after thousands had been abused. It is not the people who knew that are to blame here. They had their reasons to be quiet it is the ones that have been exposed that are to be blamed.

Hahahahaha no kidding.It was so simular though. Atleast I thought it was.

About 10 or 11 years ago I was the president of an Optimist club. We had to attend "Region Meetings" 4 times a year. They were meetings to see how each club was progressing during that year. The head of the region was a d*ck head too. It reminded me so much of twi it was scary. After one meeting I ran back to my room at the hotel and threw up. The next day I left before the meetings started. Once I got over that and knew what to expect I was fine for the next meeting but it was not fun all the same. To this day I still do not want to go to any type of meeting. I know nobody that were in any of the Optomist meetings probably ever heard of that funny little cult in the Ohio corn fields but just how things were run made me sick one time.

Makes me wonder if Mike needs to hide from twi? Before they come afer him

pfal is just wrong period. There are just out and out lies in it. Twisted scripture by a twisted man. I guess some that promote it have the same twisted view on life as vp. pfal was used as a tool to enslave people. To make them believe that this twisted man was the mog and the first one since the first century. vp may not have known when he first started what was going to happen with twi. As it grew he promoted it even more with the int. and adv. classes and way corps. He was set to start his evil ways. Catcup's sister was one of hundereds if not thousands "used" by twi and then thrown out on the street like a piece of trash. There is a way they justified it in their minds. I don't know how they did it, but they did. To promote pafal is just plain sick. It was and end to a means for a twisted old dirty man and eventuly men that did not care one lick about your lives.

Exactly Catcup They always said they wanted us to profit from them and their teachings. Just tell me "there are devil spirits working". When I saw the tape I saw two naked chicks "working" a dog. That was all I saw. I did not see one damn debil spirit. I had seen naked women before and I had seen dogs humping before I saw the tape. Just tell me about two chicks screwing a dog. I can figure it out all on my own. There were motives to everything he did.

Actually that was sick $-h-i-t. When he showed it to the corps I know there were stomaches turning. That man had no right to show that film to people.We all believed what he said. Why show it? For those who did see it you can see the reactions here. It was uncalled for and detracted from the class. Also if I remember right at Emporia when it was shown. The head honchos that were on the stage chuckled about it as it was shown even vp. These people were freakin sick.

Actually, Does it beg the question that some exway group have the knowledge to use the internet to push foward their little cult? I bet twi is all over this stuff. I don't know what or anything about the law but what about copyright laws?

Hmmm the hackers got his site too. They knew what to leave behind. Belle don't ever post things like that again :D-->

Where you still in Oak? That is exactly what I would have thought.

I have no idea about her. I do have a question about when she bacame prez. When she took the office was there much celebration? I don't think I have ever read about that. I know lcm's was a big deal. I was in at that time and I have read about it on the board here. I just never heard anything about what rr's installation was like.

I always understood "word over the world". When every person had the oppertunity to hear or be witnessed to via twi. Does anyone else remember that? I remember hearing that when I was young in the word and said to myself "How awsome". What short sighted people. They settled for crap. With all the perfection they ask of a person and to proclaime the word is over the world. What a bunch of under acheivers they are. Just ask 999 out of your 1,000 friends if they have been witnessed to by twi.

I go to a site that I really like. The Message Board has some people that are pretty good. http://www.hurricanecity.com

I completley agree with Belle on this one. I never ever heard it was okay to talk with him or pray to him. We prayed in his name. That was it.

Raf I could agree with you. I don't really know his pre twi days but if what I have read here it is true. If it is true I stand by (The love of money) theroy. I could be wrong

The way I see VP. Is a man that worked hard to make twi what it was in the early 80's. A love of money first and foremost. Everything else came after that. Yes I believe he could charm a snake and people remember that about him. That is fine. I also think he was mean as a snake. For some reason I feel he cared very little about people way down inside. We know he raped women (I wonder what they think about him and his kind ways?). I can say what I have read here and heard over the past. People died because of vp. He was a man that could "Preach" what he wanted us to do but could never live up to his own standards that he wanted us to live up to. I would dare say anyone that was serious about twi and what was taught lived a better life according to twi's standards than he even dreamed of. vp was the man. We were suppose to hang on every word he said and live it. Something he fell so short of. To live the words of the bible to your life and never sin against it I believe is next to impossible (Things happen). I have never seen anyone come close. vp taught us in PFAL not to take one part of the bible and live it because we "liked it" and disregard another part because we did not "like it". He lived his life exactly oppisite of what he taught. He was spirtual all right from down below very spiritual. JMHO

No Bluesunday i do not remember that letter since I came in twi and the corps after you. I scoff at the first. That was their worst trick. As for the second. I can see it happening very easy. A guilt trip is all it was. Something we teach our 5 and 6 year olds to stay away from. We put our whole mind, body and soul into them. They just ripped us apart where and when they could. They never saw why we did not want to do something, They saw what they wanted us to do (Thus saith the Lord) and if we did not then they wished those thing on us. They should have according to there own lying standards "built you up". I would love to hear how you over came what was told to you and sounds like spread all over twi.

I remember one SNS lcm raving about how people were saying Jesus was their friend. I can hear it just as loud and clear now him screaming "He aint your friend, he's your brother".

It's all about money Belle. God went out the window along time ago. They have no shame in what they do. It is a lie and they know it.

He was looking at his next victim

Yes to give to any other place was robbing God Ricco. I heard it too more than once. twi is not only thinks they are the best steward for your money but for your brain and your life. To give your money to other places was of the devil because the "other places" were run by the devil. I remember the teachings in the corps. Telling us not to watch the news that the leadership would tell us what we needed to know in the outside world. They owned us Rico, head to toe and they stopped half way down at your wallet.

JAL Needs to get over himself. He aint all that, never was. He is in all this to be seen and heard no matter how he feels. He wants to teach he will yell about it. He wants to be left alone you will hear about it by him. JAL is an attention getter that is all he is. A huge FLOP of an ego. Sorry back to the subject.