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I suppose that word productions should come with a warning lable and disclaimer of responsibility. Something along the lines of ...... *warning the people distributing this product are not necessarily christian and contact could possibly be hazardous to your health, family and well being. Further more, the manufacturer disclaims any responsibility for damage caused, families destroyed, and health lost due to the application of the contents here in*

That is a very thought provoking point SprawledOut. Somehow in spite of peoples best intentions, the legalism and control insidiously creeps in. I think that there is something fundementally incorrect in the doctrinal understanding of twi that can end up corrupting even the most earnest of hearts.

and THAT I believe is the difference beween the genuine and counterfit Christian. It never really was his own. He just mimicked/copied genuinly spiritual Christians

Whats wrong? *the word* as a product for a business would lack in the understanding, love, and compassion that is necessary as an honest representative for God... One lives and speaks it, and is an example because that is what they are, not because they have a product to promote.

Who else here drugged teenagers for wierwille`s sexual use? Who here has participated in similar such activities? You are absolutely correct Dove, we ccertainly cannot know what is in another man`s heart...that is precisely why scripures require us to examine the fruit in a man`s life and hold a leader accountable to a particularr standard...shrug How can you construe this as denying access to others? Has he repented? Has he apologised? Has he sought forgivness from those he harmed? All tangible indications that he might have had a change of heart. Evidence indicates that he is still the arrogant cruel bully who committed many crimes in service to his man of God.

How could one trust the leader of a group that thought it was ok to drug teenagers for his boss`s sexual perversions? How could one expect such as he to have even the remotest grasp on the love of God or scriptures when he so clearly despised the most important instructions for believers contained in the bible? I think that he is a lot more sinister than someone simply producing materials for public consumption....as is evident by the fruit of those whom dilligently apply his instruction.

Amen Eagle

Thats just exactly what twi and chris Geer WANTED joe believer to believe. Niether side would have had support nor would anybody have stayed were it common knowledge the true depths of evil indulged in by the bot and CG.

All I see is a still photo pf a leopard...can someone tell me how to get the live feed?

YES safari vista... the *any two believers* garbage ... really ended up hurting a lot of people. Uphold the satandard of the word meant so many times to ignore abuse...illegal activities etc *lest the ministry be blamed* Making a *commitment* is my biggie....you only discover afterwards that it is an unbreakable vow to God to be carried out no matter how dangerous or umpleasant the hidden consequences become.

Hello but now I see....welcome to greasespot. Well there were many issues, rampant adultery, and misuse of money were but a part of it. Pop was about a power grab. Chris Geer couldn`t have taken any exception to the problems because he was a full fledged participant in the most vile abuse of victims. I don`t believe there was anything spiritual about the confrontation...they simply didn`t give a damn about *the word in peoples lives* It was a ....ing contest pure and simple.

Pawtucket, it was a great idea. What an astonishing amount of effort you put into producing these broadcasts. Thank you ...doesn`t seem adequate. Now as far as you staying out of the interviews while interviewing...no way...lol you are part of the *glue* that holds us all together. I like hearing your input and impressions. Thank Paw.

Aw thanks guys. Glad that you all enjoyed it. Shell has always helped me see the humor in the calamaties that make up my life. Pawtucket, it was an honor, Thank you.

I would have been SO thrilled, felt so priveliged...so spiritual to be allowed in the mogs presence. What was I going to learm, What would God reveal to me in this once of a life time experience. I would have litterally felt that the heavens opened up and I God was smiling on me. To arrive and find out that the old creep only wanted one thing would have been absolutely devistating and oh so humiliating.

Vegan, I have no problem with you or being a vegan, I eat meat, I hope that is ok too.... I had a few points I`d like to discuss without it seeming like I am attacking you or your pov....ok? If anybody has actually raised any beef....I don`t feel too sorry for them....Those critters are dumb as posts...so are chickens. They are eating pooping machines... very little personality very little affection....I think that they are designed that way....from the day they are born.....they trample anybody or anything absolutely oblivious to who or what is under their hooves...to get to their feed. I think some critters have been designed as *food source* it is their purpose. I have been to the butcher with my calves that have been raised from a bottle....I have watched processing from start to finish, I didn`t find it terribly inhumane or cruel...shrug. Certainly nicer than the hawk I once watched snatch a rabbit, and the snake that caught and ate the rat...The coyotes here keep the mouse population down...The predators in our vally serve a valuable function. The nicee vegan deer are pretty but they sure wreak havock in our gardens with their apetite for vegetables...lol You are either predator or prey in the way that this world is designed and functions. I have seen where the archiological record points to hominids and other species.... that their brains didn`t start growing significantly untill meat became a part of their diet. Those that ate meat survived and got smarter, those that didn`t became extinct.

Abe..welcome to greasespot!! I think you are the first way disciple that has posted of their experiences here. Wow...that sounds pretty intense being so close to headquarters and having to witness to people who have known about twi probably since before you were born. Were you treated badly? Some of the locals were pretty mean to us years ago at roa and stuff. Sounds like they legislated all of the joy out of program. A lot of what attracted people to us wows in the early days was how much fun these inspired young christians were having. We would pick activitities to do together and just have a ball...our exhuberance and love for God and one another contagious.... I remember thinking about the wows who witnessed to me...*I dunno what they got ...but WHATEVER it is...I WANT it* You poor guys were under pressure to sell a product that nobody wanted :( Were you guys or your believing held responsible for the poor results?

Good idea cdbloch and pretty sound advice. Welcome to greasespot!

Wow....me too I fall asleep only to awake 4 hours later...stay awake for two or three and fall asleep for an hour before the kids get me up...sigh I am always tired and have no energy to do what I need to get done.

What a beautifull way you see us here ((((Dott)))) Lol, ok...message recieved. Sprawled can this simple country bumpkin buy your sorry a$$ a cup of coffee? (is that how to say it in nyc ese?) Hope you understand the intent in spite of my vile accent :D

Lol Raf :lol:

Lol .... Thanks (((((Dott))))) I love you gal. Thanks dearly for your input and understanding.

Dunno, I don`t remember recieving a pm...maybe that might have cleared things up....lol As far as rubbing me the wrong way.... guess it was all of the personal insults that threw me off track, it seems like you have been disgusted with most of grease spot in general since your arival... You know, it isn`t someones view that generally draws fire... it`s when you have to insult a fellow poster to make your point that folks sometimes take acception to. Anyway, Not that *I* have any room to talk as I am haven`t mastered the ability to present my ideas here without offending folks either Sounds like the real you in person is an alright guy... I will try to see that guy in your posts from now on.

Dunno Dott, I think the world of you.....but when one insists on being insulting and snide to people on a consistant basis ...it can be difficult to see the smart, funny, great guy side of them I guess.....shrug

Ummm the examples I gave which you are ignoring ... were when he called the pharacees *whited sepulchers* all pretty n shiney on the outside but filled with death and decay on the inside. I also referred to when Jesus said that it was better that a mill stone be hung around the neck and the person drown than the fate that awaited one who hurt a child... I was also making reference to the time when Jesus chased the money changers out of the temple and overturned their tables.... Each and every circumstance...Jesus seems to be lacking in charity according to your definition.

What?? Slap a lable on me and then you don`t have to think logically or answere honestly Greg? I ask again... can you explain WHY your premiss (pretty sounding though it was) is at odds with the way Jesus Christ taught and lived his life?