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Lol, glad that you enjoyed it belle. It isn`t hard or anything that requires great precision in the preperation. Usually I like to use a ham bone with lots of meat left on it, but any ham will do. I put on a couple of packages of split peas on to boil and then turn them down to simmer, (keep an eye on your water level) while they are heating up I cut up a couple of carrots or just dump a bag of baby carrots in....cube the ham, I cut up half an onion and if I have any...maybe a little celery. I place all of these in the pot and add anywhere from 3 to 6 chicken boullion cubes, cover and let simmer for two or three hours, stirring occasionally untill the peas and ham are soft. When the soup is nice and thick, I dish it up and add a spoonfull of cream cheese. That is the secret ingrediant that makes it taste oh so good. Be carefull though, the cream cheese is addicting and soup will not ever taste right again without it lol. You can use a crock pot or a soup pot on the stove, for big crowds like at the weinie roast, I used an electric roaster and doubled the recipe, you can half it for a smaller family. Man, that sounds really good now, I wonder if I have any split peas...hmmmm

Huh? :huh:

If their *words* weren`t so attractive sounding/looking, they wouldn`t entice folks away from good fruit. :( One then forever after has to reason endlessly why their putrid fruit is so bitter as opposed to the sweet fruit of adherance to genuinly spiritual sources...even going so far as to even dismiss the importance of fruit Throw that nasty stuff away and find a source for good wholsome fruit.

cro martindale...lol good one. You have to wonder about HIS work ethics in sitting around morning after morning spying on people, rather than arriving at a timely manner and preparing for his own job! Why wasn`t he at HIS desk working?? Seems rather hypocritical to me. We all know what HE was doing during work hours with his co workers in aos during business hours. What a

Yeah, Belle, as long as you personally benefit from an individual, it really doesn`t matter what they have done to destroy another. That kind of reasoning completely eliminates the catagory of *false prophet* and *wolf in sheeps clothing* in the bible. You have to wonder why God so specifically warned us to stay away from these characters if it was no more than simply a personality flaw that we were to over look...simply taking what grains of truth that they intermix with their lies. I think there was a specific danger associated with men of the *flesh* people who do/did what cgeer and vpw ....else Scriptures wouldn`t warn us to stay away from them.

Kit, I understand what you are saying. I see it as the difference between a genuine Godly inspired Christian and a counterfit who mimics the spiritual walk. The counterfit, can say all of the words, look rightious and wholesome, but teachings and actions be stagnant and lifeless. It takes becoming aquainted with the writings and actions of a genuine man of the spirit to recognise the hypocracy of a false man of the flesh. It then simply doesn`t matter the lable they place on themselves.

Whew...close call Groucho :unsure:

I heard on the radio that by Iraqi law, the sentance myst be carried out in 30 days. His attornies have that long to do their appeals.

I`d LOVE to know what old vpw was arrested for! Might fill in a few pieces of the puzzle.

((((potato)))) I hear you and understand. Dismantling of self, it was one of the worst things that they did to us.

Yeah but we aren`t required here. It is something that you enjoy doing or not. I did it on the old waydale board, so it seems rather redundant here.

What a creep calflor. I remember having no privacy. I lived in a way home. I had a couple of cages in my room where I kept an occasional parakeet or hamster that was going to be destroyed at the pet store I worked at. There was not a single seed out of place, the cages were spotless....but my lc went into my room and lbegan to litterally scream at me for my lack of commitment. I was apprentice corpes, how dare I have these distractions from my duty? What was wrong with me? My goodness it wasn`t enough that I worked and paid all of my share of the bills plus was on every class crew ran a seperate fellowship, plus all of the app corpes meetings and activities....brought damned near all of the new people to fellowship, and undershepherded at least one through every class that ran....all of that was nothing...I dared rescue a parakeet or two and I hadn`t sold my horses yet. To this day I have to sy that it was the most terrifying experience that I have ever endured, I thought that the screaming would never end.

Good for you allan, I try to obey the same promptings. Our much loved TC began behaving strangely after his wife left him and his kids. Asking for our help getting his house in order, trying to give his things away. Crying, asking someone to help kick him in the arse.... I begged our lc and my husband, his corpes buddies to call him, that something was wrong. Nobody reached out because this guy was a ordained clergy corpes grad, he certainly could *handle* it. To my ever lasting shame, I backed down. He killed himself shortly afterwards. To this day, I am a down right pest (though I am generally later thanked) when I feel someone is in danger.

In addition to all of the above great advice, getting involved in a structured physical activity has done wonders for me. Learning something new that places you with different people using different muscles, training your brain in a different way. One foot in front of the other, friend.

Thanks pawtucket. Though extremely nervous at first...I really had a good time. Of course all of the children kept coming in during the phone call and I would be furiously motioning them to leave the room silently ... and of course the ensuing questions arguments from them .... all while trying to remember the story....lol. You were a great audience. The music added was a hoot! You had us all laughing. I tell you folks, Paw`s stories of his boy hood are a whole lot funnier than mine. I look forward to hearing them again. Maybe give tribute to your dear Grandmother who repeatedly saved your skin...lol

I saw RHPS on the wow field of all places, so I guess that I cannot claim that the year was an entire waste. My poor wow bro was absolutely incensed. He was deeply offended and was shocked that the rest of us enjoyed ourselves at such an obviously evil procuction. The poor guy.

Well speaking for myself Groucho, At 17 I was pretty naieve. I believed these men when they said that they spoke for God. I believed later when they taught that if I didn`t obey leadership that God couldn`t protect me and Satan would be allowed to kill me....or worse I would get posessed. I believed that in not obeying, that I was not serving God. Stupid, yeah but very devious how everything was presented not as what they wanted from us but what God almighty required of a dulous.

My worst legalism story was when the bc`s wife that moved into our wayhome, insisted that I get up and have the carpet vaccumed before 8 am every motning as my household responsibility. I worked 3rd shift untill 5 am every morning. I would vaccume at night before I left and the bc and his family would trash it by eating popcorn and such each evening. The next morning she would come into my room after I had only slept an hour or two.....in a rage...screaming at me for being a sluggard and grab my leg and haul me off of the bed to where I would slam into the floor..... I would have to listen to her lecture me about responsibilities and stewardship untill the whole house was revaccumed. The same senario played out day after day. I was 18 at the time, I`d damned well like to see her try the same thing today.

Shiver... I remember in twi as a newly wed that my spouse told me that *I`d damned well never get fat* clearly intimating that this would be grounds for him to seek his pleasure elsewhere. It was also clearly taught that a good wife never need fear being abused....that if she would just do her job...she would be fine. There was always an ominous note to the women...any problem that arose was always do to the wifes failure to entertain the spouse...anything suffered by the wife was because she deserved it somehow :( That advice given in the G666r group seems to build upon those foundations and seems to me to have become even more evil and destructive. I am so sorry that the suffering is being perpetuated.

Bless your heart calflor..... in ALL probability you saved that poor girls life by taking her to the hospital. Secondly, you saved her a lot of heartbreak and recriminations by allowing her to go home to her family. Welcome to greasespot, I admire your heart and courage. During my koolaid drinking years, to my ever lasting shame, I am afraid that I wouldn`t have had the nerve to have disobeyed my leadership like that. Good for you! Attack Gypsy THAT was funny as he ll! How I admire all of you who were couragious enough to stand up to leadership for what was right.

No offense skip, my thoughts when I posted that were kind of along the lines of the many things that have scripturally clear instructions.... that we in twi found ways to skirt around..shrug I shouldn`t have targeted you, my thoughts and comments (though it really doesn`t appear so) were directed at myself and my own actions during my time in. Sorry Skip, I apologise.

...and some of those reasons that people attended were the promises made. That you would learn everything pertaining to life and Godliness. Also healing from physical illness, harmony in the home, prosperity ...etc. People died, marriages broke up, earnest hearts broken, and young girls pimped into sexual service for the mogs...hardly the *more than abundant life* that the product promised...shrug TWI`s leader molded his owndoctrine to make it ok for him to sexually use teenaged girls. G666r who believed that it was ok to pimp for his boss, to the point that he drugged unwilling victims now heads a group that is trying to preserve the same doctrine.... A bad tree doesn`t produce good fruit.....sure it might look appealing but that doesn`t garauntee wholesomness. These men have a product decorated with glitzy advertising and bright promises. The product has failed to produce the desired results....when confronted....they intimate that nobody elses product works any better. They are deceptive.

Precisely Lindy, it is no suprise for one to espouse that opinion if you are not a practicing Christian. But if one professes to be a christian ...it was contradictory to the scriptural tenents to give the advice to screw whom ever you please if your spouse doesn`t care. Twi made it ok to borrow the lable *christian* but not to have to practice the scriptural rules that one was expected to abide by as a christian....

That is a very modern view Skip ...though quite suprising coming from a Christian. Kind of takes the sting out of what vp and lcm practiced. The bible is pretty clear though about fornication and adultery. DON`T!

Yeah, but isn`t it notworthey how many seem to be involved in this splinter, beginning of course with the groups illustrious leader :( Boy I can remember a few in my Way years. Amen and AMEN! Again, beginning with it`s leaders at the very top. Ya gotta suspect that there is something wrong with the product if A) It attracts crazy people (dove`s words) .and they just get crazier.....and B) The founding leaders/creaters of the product habitually indulged in criminal behavior. At some point you have to stop blaming the people for the product failing to produce the advertised results.