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Eyes...I`ll hold her YOU punch! Just kiddning, I know you can take care of yourself. You are a hero to me because I was one of those smarmey little arse kissers....NOT because I was trying to get somewhere...but because showing meekness and humblness was the only way I knew to become spiritual. I was so afraid of making the wrong decision and getting a face melting. It only happened once and I was terrified of being in God`s disfavor again....I was afraid of being stiff necked or hard hearted ..unable to hear God....

I just know that in spite of twi teachings.... in spite of it not having breathed... in spirt of the teaching that it was not murder because the penalty was different in the bible for causing a woman to lose fruit.... in spite of being assured that it was REQUIRED in order to honor ones vow to God... in spite of having killed the child so as to not be found guilty of lying to God.... It is a decision force upon one by twi doctrines and enforced by it`s leaders...two decades later...in spite of having done everything according to twi doctrines to try to be pleasing to God...it has been a decision that has had life long impact....well for me...the baby didn`t get a chance at life did it? :( I understand now that God had nothing to do with what was being required...I would think had it been God sanctioned, or a sound decision doctrinally, or spiritually.....it would have had the mark of God`s blessing from making spiritually sound choices.

Can this account be pasted into the *my story section*? Eyes, YOU stood up to them!! YOU didn`t smooche miss poo poos posterior...YOU are a hero to all of us who humbly sudmitted and ate our sh!t sandwitches. Thank you for sharing this story. Thank you for taking the time to show just how little twi regarded the lives of it`s people....how we were expected to do the insane...even though every fiber of our being screamed out against it.....how we did it any way because to do any less was to let God down.... That woman came on the forums (I think in way dale) and stayed for a few days trying to talk about what a swell guy her brother had been when they were kids.....I don`t think she was treated like royalty then. I wonder what life is like now that her status is in the toilet.

You just said it better than me.

Never say never :) heh heh

my apologies :)

How much of these guys teachings were based by that which they abhorred? I mean we know what a freak lcm was about homosexuality....so the *big* sin in genesis became homosexual sex WITH a female serpent... Wiewilles was a sick freak and so his idea on sin in genesis was masturbation and consuming the products....his hyper sensativity to critisizim translated pauls thorn in the flesh to be nagging people ..... All the women belonged to the mog...they were being healed sexually, they were acruing rewards in heaven , all things are lawfull...abortion...all scripturally backed teachings ...that would only occur and be developed by an already really depraved mind. Jesus and Samson were raped because it all made sense in their sexually deviant minds....it all made sense to their way of warped sexual perception.

People DID get the creepy crawlies...but hey we were invincible...we had the word to offer them...I can do all things...to admit fear or acknowledge the feelings was to deny God`s power...negative believeing. I am SURE that poor girl was ignoring every instinct that she had....believing she was doing what God required. I had a car on the wow field and was still told to hitch hike...it would improve my believeing...yadda yadda...I quit after being picked up by a guy who wanted me to model underwear for him..

Because it was yet one more insane unpleasantry that people not only endured, but PAID for the privilege of sitting through Folks did it because they were told this is what would make them spiritually sharp...my guess is from all of the replies so far...it was a failure.

word wolf ...a cuddly sheep dog ...lmao your new name shall show your kinder and gentler side......alphabet puppy

She posted on way dale or greasespot for a bit ...trying to say her brother was a decent guy when they were kids.

Eyes...I would like to hear more about the lead incident that you mentioned. Can you start a new thread and tell about it? There was an accident where the driver was attempting to do a lead evaluation while driving down the mountain with a truck and trailer load of people. Some never recovered. (I am not blaming the driver...twi had enough money to purchase safe transportation up and down the mountain.) It interests me that we were to place our lives in leaders hands unquestioningly...follow their orders and God would have to cover even if they were wrong....they covered this crap up so that we wouldn`t question or doubt what we were being required to do... Hey don`t question your leader...it`s like questioning God.

Wow...I hadn`t thought of BG Leonard having to witness his lifes work being used as the bait for a snare :( So many were betrayed.

I was told that he was very isolated towards the end. People who were at one time his friends were told by the new bot that he needed to focus his entire attention on them and preparing them to run the ministry. I guess that he didn`t know this and was quite puzzled by everyone`s distancing themselves from him. I guess the new bot ended up treating him quite badly...like an extraneous relic from the past. At one time, I was very sad, and felt bad for his loneliness....knowing what I do today....I`d say it was poetic justice.

What is wierd is...that it was nearly 5 years after leaving before I even QUESTIONED a single teaching. I truly believed that I would become posessed if I considered.... I was SO burned up when I finally found out that almost every thing that I had been taught about God was a lie...I became hyper sensative to anybody trying to manipulate me through doctrine. About all I can manage these days is *Love God and Love my neighbor* It is simple and it works for me after all of the years of *straining at gnats* :)

I am sorry that you are offended....you speak of truth, I just don`t know how you are going to be able to accept the real truth about this man. I am sorry friend...

I read it!! No problem! Maybe they are exagerating...but I want to feel just a little smart once in a while so I will just pretend for a while that what they said was true :)

Hey ladies...guess who my vet said the biggest customers of the rendering plants are?? Now I am talking about the companies that farmers and horse owners call to pick up the bloated diseased carcasses from the vet and the farms??? (We happened to be looking at a couple of bloated horses that he had done autopsies on that had been in the hot sun for a few days that the rendering plant hadn`t picked up along with a stack of dead goats and pets) Cosmetic companies!!! Yup ... He thinks that people are crazy to wear make up and stuff.

Hamm, I think that he DID feel that he was entitled....from the time he was a kid. He didn`t work the farm with his brothers like he was supposed to...he snuck off and supposedly preached to the trees... He didn`t feel he was required to follow his churches tennents when under their employ...he was entitled to preach what HE felt like...(remember when the elders asked him not to preach about tithe?) He felt entitled to fullfill every base desire....he started researching *I* believe...to find ways in the scripture AROUND the rules he didn`t like.... He twisted scripture to make adultery ok, to make alcoholism ok, to make drug usage ok, to make wicked treatment of people ok... He started his own ministry because he felt he was entitled to these things. He also allowed anybody who was *spiritually mature enough to handle it* to partake also.... The laws did not apply to him...you are right...he DID resent the *worldly* government. He DID resent having to follow the *worldly* laws...don`t you remember how we were under NO circumstances to go through the court systems...even when crimes had been committed....

the knowledge in twi was a *tinkling cymble* and *sounding brass* ...sounds pretty..but worthless because of the lack of love and operation of the two great commandments. I think twi knowledge served to *puffeth us up* It takes getting rid of the arrogance that we developed to get on track.

EXACTLY!!! What seemed a little *off* or innocuous at the time...was taken to extremes when behind closed doors. Good lord how many times did THAT happen??? I believed it ALL. I assumed that any lack of understanding or appearance of impropriety was in my unrenewed mind.

Wrong thread...d`oh.

They (the iams) have both claimed repeatedly that sunesis isn`t reputable because they cannot handle what she shared about how vpw operated.

Maybe churches DIDN`T fail...maybe we were just TOLD that they had by a guy who wanted to take us down the toilet with him spiritually.

I have had good experiences in large churches also... There is a great church near nashville. I would attend more often if it wasn`t such a drive....many in our area do any way. It is huge....they have to have 3 services in the morning and 3 in the evening to handle everybody who wishes to come. The one I attended had almost 2000 people in it alone....The youth group is enormous with a couple of bands....during the week the buildings are used for community projects like scouts and stuff. They have all sorts of programs to help people. I have been there a time or two and am just floored by the people and dynamic teaching. It is huge and growing ...they cannot build to handle the overflow or expand fast enough. There are an awfull lot of really sharp people who are looking for the spirit of God in their messages and services...it was a privilege to fellowship with them. I wouldn`t discount a church just because of it`s size or lack there of.