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Larry, don`t you find it the least bit incongruous that you defend a lying, adulterous, alcoholic, who treated the people entrusted to him like no more than a resource to be utilized and thrown away when all usefullness was exhausted...a criminal who drugged and raped the young followers who couldn`t be seduced or bullied.... Yet you are relentless in your attack of the people who were decieved, used, and suffered at his hands and under the policies that he enacted? Doesn`t that strike you as wierd that your contempt is resereved for the people endured the mistreatment, rather than the creep who perpetrated the acts?

Yeah, I am guilty of being decieved and following the doctrine of a false prophet...So what? I never misrepresented myself as a minister ...God`s spokesman. I never utilized that as authority to steal kill and destroy from the innocent...... This is about false prophets and ravening wolves dressed in sheeps clothing that devour God`s sheep.

Well I do recall it, friend. The fellow you defend was scum. According to scriptures, the guys that do what he did were not of the spirit....this makes his doctrine highly suspect. I think your defense of him and need to attack the people who reveal his sickness makes you of questionable character as well.

Well said Bliss.

I have no problem with you questioning peoples recollections and perceptions, what I have a problem with is you labeling those recollections and perceptions as lies because they don`t line up with that which you wish to believe.

The scriptures convict wierwille of being a false prophet....that is good enough for me. You are the one attacking innocent people in defense of the criminal wierwille like some kind of bottom feeding attorney

Ok fair enough rhino...who are these people who feel it is their ministries? I guess I don`t see it...what I see people discussing their journey post twi...I see people attacked for not goose stepping in others prescribed steps...shrug..

Who are you to decide who and what A minister or God should spend their time on and who or what is a waste? News flash Larry, we are living breathing souls on the other side of these screens. In spite of your opinions....We are of value, our lives of merit, and John`s input is bringing deliverance to many from the false doctrines of twi wolves. Same old same old though, you cannot handle the information presented, so you must attack the poster, their motives, their veracity and character....while the man you defend is scum that drugged and raped our sisters in christ...(among other things) and his doctrine made it allowable and now excusable.... <_< . VP`s ministry was a farce, but rather than come to grips with the deception.... in not being able to accept the true fleshly nature of this man...you have to demonize genuine christians and their ministries that are bringing healing and deliverance to those wounded by the viscious predators of TWI.

How sad was vp for anybodies death to cancer? He was the one who condemned folks for their lack of believing and labeled them as posessed with a devil spirit when afflicted with cancer. People died alone without friends and family because of the stigma and fear of the devil spirit that vp said was the root cause ...People died in condemnation because they believed that they failed in their believing. I am glad that John J has posted the scriptures to debunk the dogma that has brought so much pain, frustration and shame when application failed to achieve the predicted results....

Cowgirl, if the poster referred to felt up to doing battle, no doubt they would have stood up for themselves at the time. You don`t have to like me, you don`t have to like my perspective, you don`t have to like what I chose to discuss. Feel completely free to pass over what I write. If you don`t find it of benefit, it probably isn`t even directed at you. It is however, a big mistake to assume that my input, or that of any other poster here it is not of value to someone else. Why is it up to any of you to decide who`s input is of benefit or merit?? Even if you don`t get it...even if it appears pointless....Why not just accept there are aspects of healing and participation here that you are not going to see or understand.... Let`s each participate in a manner that doesn`t interfere with someone elses blessing and growth...rather than trying to slap down people whom we don`t agree with. P.S. I am curious?? Just who do you think is in the little clique group you referred to? Is it because some posters agree with one another on certain subjects? Is it because you don`t find enough people agreeing with you? What would lead you to you assume this?

Bump, what you do hurts people....not that it matters though, because we are all one big joke to you...right? When your derision ends up causing people to stop posting and withdrawing meaningful input, you have crossed the line over to being a bully. Go ahead....high five your buddies, another malcontent slammed and shut down...aren`t you so very special?

Why is it such a stretch to believe that each of us have different roles here, as in life? Could it be that each is important in their own way? That each of us has perspective from lessons learned that might aid another? I don`t see anybody acting like a white night...Why must you deride others efforts?.... Could it be...that even though we may not see it at the time, that in spite of finding a posters perspective personally annoying.......that never the less, maybe what they do is important also? Did you ever think that maybe you see in people that which you want to see? Maybe you don`t possess the entire picture when you dismiss someone because of personal dislike? It`s like...hey, you aren`t doing/seeing/acting like me....so you are wrong....hey....you can`t act like a foot, we all have to act like ears.

Why is it up to you to administer the lumps? You chose to live in a tough part of the world....well big friggin whoop de doo. What??? You want pats on the back? You want applause? You figgure God likes you better than every one else??? that your service some how makes it acceptible to deride others, criticize, dismiss their thoughts, ideas and feelings, their lives abnd efforts as unimportant?? WHY is it that you find it necessary to denigrate and crap on people, no matter what the topic being discussed...be it learning self defense, a moving video, moments remembered? For heavens sake....why not find a way to be of benefit here rather than non stop bitching, moaning, and complaining because nobody else is living up to your expectations for entertainment over morning tea?

Not so oldies, I don`t know many who share your conclusions. Many of us who spent decades in twi ...questioned our involvement and left WAY before any of the information concerning wierwille or martinadales criminal were common knowledge. This article debunks one of the biggest tools twi had to instill shame and guilt.

Well said Highway :)

Rape, adultery and alcoholism is NOT the fruit of a good tree. What I refuse to do ignore the fruit vpw manifested....his works do not change that.

Thank you very much. It was a great article. Twi`s understanding of this *law of believing* was responsible for so much heartbreak. People died believing that it was there fault they couldn`t *believe* big enough :(

It would explain an awfull lot.

OOOH Psalmie....THAT was wonderfull. My oldest daughter watched over my shoulder and cried. She wants it saved to show her boy friend.... Thank you so much for sharing that with us....it was very special.

THAT truly was inspirational Bumpy. We are truly unworthy :)

Bulwinkle, exactly, you pretty much get what you give around here. Treat people with respect, and it is usually accorded you as well. Welcome, BTW I left 15 yrs ago and didn`t fool around with off shoots either.

Larry, I am not here to earn your respect...My posts stand on there own, a reflections of my thoughts and feelings as I explosre rthis exciting journey post twi.... My issue with you is your interference with the people who enjoy being here and have found this place to be beneficial and healing. I frankly am at a loss when someone is deliberate in their obstruction to that which has proven to be such a blessing to so very many.

I don`t know, it appears that the pro twi/vpw crowd when unable to get respect for their teacher or the doctrine that they embrace...in their frustration have to lable gs posters as mean or in cliques...or negative or evil...whatever... Nobody wants to play the game any more so then like any play ground bully....they have to go kicking sand in everybody`s face....disrupting wherever they can. It is destructive and mean, and doesn`t inspire any respect for one`s pov.

What a special special miracle. How happy I am for you, your son, and your dear rascal. Thank you for sharing this with us....I was so discouraged at the seeming unanswered prayers....it just broke my heart. I just feel like this such a special * I love you* from God. :) I have been grinning all day about this one. I`ll bet poor little rascal was thrilled to be home. Please tell us about the reunion, about the home coming :)

I am sorry that I missed it :(