rascal

IMO...there is something MUCH bigger and more important going on with this thread than Linda Carter and her 2nd post... whether or not she can handle the truth or ever decides to post again is immaterial. Pieces are falling into place evil is being exposed...healing is taking place for so many of those who thought that they were the *only ones* I met a woman who shared about being a 17 year old wow who refused vp`s sexual demands during a visit on the field to *bless* the wows.... and then was coincidentally thrown off the wow field within a couple of weeks for being chock full of devil spirits...her whole family was involved with twi...they were told to have nothing to do with said daughter due to possibility of being infested themselves. They were told personally by vp himself that the daughter was *nuts* shoot who isn`t going to believe the mog? It was almost 20 years before her family learned the truth... I met a woman once who was recruited by two women for craig....they prtenede to be her best friends...kind of flattered her by making her think she was part of some really cool group .....she was so and young naieve really HAD gone into the corps to serve God....she was so cluless that she never understood that she was being recruited for months till she was placed in lcm`s presence and expected to participate in a threesome. When she reacted with shock and horror....she immediatly was escorted off grounds....booted from the corpes within hours...was the topic of lunch that day...and before she could make it back to her home state...everyone had been informed of her *possession* and strenously warned to have no contact because of her danger. So bewildering, so much shame and confusion...This lady too, nearly accomplished suicide. VCP and LCM were both sadistic pigs...they wanted what they wanted ...caring nothing for the people destroyed in order to keep their nasty little secret....there is no forgiveness for either.......they enthusiastically embraced evil and endulged their sadistic apetites....they abided in evil and systematically destroyed young people who were seeking to serve God and simply made had the misfortune of being intercepted by these4 devourers ...these wolves in sheeps clothing...there will never be ANY excusing them or their actions..... p.s. It wasn`t just women that were destroyed either...would this be an apropriate time to mention R B`s poor husband?

Excellent Ex!!!! Sounds like you guys found a really great bird (I like the name too...lol) How exciting for you guys :-) Keep us updated on the little sweety will you?

Hey PapaJ, welcome back to gspot! A few thoughts I have on the subject...one being that biblically ... seems to me God always required REPENTANCE and ASKING before he granted any forgiveness...we should follow HIS example no? Another thought...I never saw Jesus Christ cutting ANY slack to, or asking us to forgive the actions of the religious leaders of his day who hurt and used people in God`s name....those who hid behind the scriptures authority to commit their crimes... matter of fact it seems like they ....ed him off... he even thought it necessary to warn folks to beware of them... called em some awfull names...lol I guess if the anger by some here at gspot makes you uncomfortable...lol ...maybe sit back and get a mind pic of us tearing through the temple of twi...flinging over money changers tables...bellowing at the whited sepulchers ....warning others not to heed the pretty shiney outside ...but instead pointing out the putrid corruption that abides within :-) Seems to me it would be kind of selfish if after extracing ourselves from the evil snare with enormous toll on our lives....that it behooves us to shine a light on the pitfall for others so that they can avoid entrapment. I don`t think we do anybody ANY favors by just *moving on* in the guise of forgiveness...sorry, I think we owe it to others to make them aware.... as grizzly and unpleasant as those details may appear at times. Cathy

We left gradually....what is wierd though is that it took almost ten years AFTER leaving for it to occur to us to examine and recognise the destructive beliefs and mind sets that we still clung so tenatiously to....and false teachings that were still causing great damage. So even though we were physically *out* .... it was many more years before we actually left twi.

Ok ok, I get it now...sorry! The way is like ....when starving ... eagerly biting into that shiney, luscious, wholesome looking apple, and looking down to find out (while chewing) that it was filled with maggots and rot... Ptewy...yuckie.

I have finally told our bible study group at karate that I was involved in a religious cult...actually they are quite interested...it never occurs to average Joe Christian that the scriptures can be manipulated....that evil can masquerade so convincingly behind a wholesome looking bible oriented group... Folks are curious... my friends want to know more...mainly because they prefer to be educated so as to avoid the same pitfalls.

Hey ex...parakeets are good....however I recomend finding a breeder that hand raises em (usually located in the classifieds or swap mags)...it is hard for a new bird owner to *train* the typically goofey one you will find in the pet store.... If you get one that has been handled they wont be as apt to bite or go nutty everytime you go near the cage. Get yourself a book...available at any pet store... Birds are easy to take care of but there are a few important rules...NEVER keep em in a draft....NEVER paint the room or use oven cleaners carpet cleaners etc when they are present......they are very suseptible to the fumes....(I have lost birds to all of the above..sigh) oh yeah...and ALWAYS turn off the cieling fan when you let em out...(yeah....lost one that way too...yuckie) Vitamins in their water are a great help ...in keeping them healthy...a little grit n food...a cuttle bone n you are set...you can usually get a bird n cage n supplies for under 30 dollars... If you want a step up...cockatiels are very nice and very intellegent...however I efinatly recomend a hand raised baby when it comes to them...you spend a little more but end up with a MUCH nicer pet. Good luck ...I am very excted for your boy:-)

Excellent Lorna....and so true. We all knew that twi had really become a heartless, legalistic monster.....Still it took many of us by suprise to see how low they had still YET to descend in the catogory of decency.

oh oh oh...how bout *Enemy mine* for a great, little known sci fi flick?

Dear Dot...thankyou for clarifying things that I ddid not articulate very well myself... Thank you oak as well, I do not intend to be unfair to anybody.... (note to self DON`T post before first cup of coffee in the am anymore) I was just stewing over how twi lovers on other pages and threads seem to want to say that it`s ok that these things happened...cause God will *make it up* to them somehow...... mean time praise God for twi/vpw...we learned some *word* I think this attitude can still be a way of deceiving ourselves to the enormity of the evil manifested and horrors endured at vpw/twi`s hands... Sorry I singled you out oldies... you are kind of taking it on the chin for all of the supporters that ever made me mad...lol I apologise.......I come out more abrasive than I intend to...I was upset over hearing about yet another horror endured by one of our dear friends....sigh. Believe it or not it`s your ideas that I am attempting to examine, not attack you....personal assaults are always out of line. My apologies....... Cathy

My God Dovey...what inhuman basturds. I cannot believe that they would tell you that... What about it oldies...how is GOD gonna make up THIS injustice committed to Dovey by his supposed leaders eh? Is he going to excuse the heartless jerks masquerading as his representativess.......demanding the honor, respect, priveledges and perks due them in their status?? Twi was a horrible horrible place... The awfull thing is...I can remember the mindset well enough to know that I probably would have been naievly nodding my head like a bobble head doll in agreement with their oh so spiritual assesment of needs in that situation...gotta just toughen up....gotta just think the word... I am SO sorry. I have said it before...*gawd sometimes I make myself sick* Just go wow n corpes...it`ll heal you (not to mention make our *numbers* for enrollment this year look good as well) ((((((((((((((dove))))))))))))))

You THINK God is going to make it up to him?? Probably just as soon as he makes it up to all of the rest of the folks that were ripped off by their association with vp/twi... Curiously...just WHY exactly is it God`s responsibility to *make it up* to folks when men steal and hurt in his name? Seriously, I am not asking this in a snotty way...I really want to know why you think this is true...and when can I/we expect recompense?

No kidding???? Oh man...on my christmas list for sure! Wish they would put out heinliens stuff again...I got rid of my sci fi collection at the insistance of ministry leaders almost 20 years ago...a whole trunk full of irreplaceable classics...GAWD what was I thinking?....

I am with zix....my all time favorite books...The *Lensman* series...also by eedoc smith and almost as good , his *skylark* series....though it is nearly impossible to find them anymore. Any early heinlien...*have space suit will travel* citizen of the galaxy* *starship trooper* *starbeast* *children of the stars* *space cadet* to mention a few of my favorites...I don`t recomend anything he wrote after the mid 60s though....he gets pretty wierd after that. I think I`d carry to my island, believe it or not....my Harry Potter books as well..

Hey Dot...as far as the inspiration for aos ....I was taking the advanced class when lcm showed up at emporia all excited about some movie he`d seen with John Travola recently, where the spiritual underworld was portrayed in a dance production so realistically... He got all fired up about how the ministry could do it so much better .... that was his inspiration anyway.....wanting to prove how twi could outdo hollywood...cause we were so superior in everyway don`tcha know?

Asking challenging questions is one thing Oldies......openly accusing folks of being liars or filled with hate or working for satan simply BECAUSE you are unwilling to consider their account or point of view is harmfull and wrong. To justify these actions as simply as *challenges* is just one more way of decieving yourself into thinking that your behavior isn`t harmfull...imo

Oldies, I would be interested in you addressing Excathedras post as well,... How are YOU gonna justify that old snake...OR the ministry that he started and nurtured? I think it is disgusting that you would blind yourself to his evil and who he worked for...and then slam the folks who actually witnessed the viscious selfserving perverts endulging in their callous disregard of peaple when it came to sating their lusts. Dot, as far as your point of view being valid I agree.......all ANYBODY has to do to honestly know VPW`s true nature is to read in galations about the attributes of a man after the spirit verses a man after the flesh...this explains things explicitly, and leaves no room for doubt.... Oldies has you fooled rafe...imo you are pretty unfair....if you read back and see how oldies nastily trashed dot and her post first...

Most have heard the story about the time the corpes witch grabbed me by the leg and yanked me outta bed n dumped me on the floor. It was 8 am and i hadn`t done the vaccuming. How dare I not take care of my househould resposnsibility in the way home?...No... having worked till 4 am was NOT an acceptable excuse. Then to be screamed at manically that I was posessed....because I told her to leave me the he-- alone. She followed me around the house screaming the whole time I packed my things...her poor 6 year old was terrified I remember when the lc came in my bed room in another way home and started roaring at the top of his lungs because I had a parakeet or two. How DARE I have pets when I was app corpes? I explained that they weren`t mine...that I worked at a pet store and that they were injured and needed a quiet place to recover...oops BIG mistake...never contradict a lc when they wanna indulge in a tirade.....lol What???? I STILL had horses??? oh my GAWD!!! How evil....my heart certainly wasn`t corpes if I had all of these *distractions*....now never mind the fact that I was the ONLY one meeting new people THROUGH these activities...and getting them involved...however, I suppose that because they weren`t football or fishing (the lc`s activities of choice) they were evil and so was I for allowing them to distract me from my spiritual *duty* By the time he was done with his screaming tirade...I was so terrified that I humbly swore I would clean my act up... and then promptly rid my life of all those evil influinces...my poor animals... So no, no physical assaults, just emotional.......however, I`d sure like to meet some of these a holes today that I tried so desperatly to please...lol [This message was edited by rascal on November 06, 2003 at 11:38.]

Well Harve....wasn`t THAT spaaaaaaashul.... See guys??? Twi HAS got a logical sounding justification for their obscene behavior and cruel actions.......(haven`t they always?) ........and here we were doubting their motives and integrity...

Better *Gaygb* than someone who uses the bible to excuse their rabidly venomous attitudes I suppose......... Have you not ever heard of *butch* women? I have known women that are very masculine.....some gay some are not....your observation makes no sense. [This message was edited by rascal on September 25, 2003 at 16:51.]

Tessa, it was indeed a park ranger....there was no actual *bust* We were simply informed of the park laws.... and given the opportunity to comply..... we were just telling some good stories.

I have seen a lot of spiritualy sound thoughts and ideas displayed by Trefor .... much more so than some of those who brandish the label *christian* on this board..... So you have a guy that exhibits many fruit of the spirit but hasn`t got the proper *label* ...and you have guys who claim to be the *spiritual* ones who enjoy rending and tearing up anyone that doesn`t agree with their particular formula........ Who`s really behaving in a Godly manner? ..... Who`s really in the right?

Amen and Amen Shell! I concur:-) Just got off the phone with ahat...she is unable to post her sentiments due to puter woes...She asked that I relate her thoughts. She also recognised how needs were met, the needs of every single person present..... even down to the youngest child. It struck her, how each child had a buddy, nobody was left out, there was something nice for everyone to do...everyone played nicely. Because the childrens needs were met, the moms were able to relax and enjoy ourselves...She said that was the first time she had been able to enjoy herself like that in she didn`t know how long...the kids all stayed within camp...older ones looked after younger ones... Every kid had a ball... the wagon (see picture)thrown in at the last miniute was even deemed as *inspiration* due to the hours of entertainment provided...I kid you not...the dadgummed thing was never empty all weekend lol. I have to add one thing to Oakspears list: There was a tie for the two biggest complaints .. A) crap....did I BLOW my diet...and B) the weekend was WAY too short.....

Scoff ALL you want Mikey.... I don`t care, but when it is your TEN year old that has been out in the woods of Tennessee for over an hour ...alone with no flashlight...........all SORTS of dangers real or imagined play out frame by frame in your mind in blinding vivd technicolor......things maybe like ....oh I don`t know...say ...... the movie DELIVERANCE???? (banjo music gets inserted in here) Shell it is a solemn thing....those who have BEEN on a snipe hunt.......are NEVER under ANY circumstances to spoil the hunt for someone else...it`s just the rules...also...it is believed that EVERYONE should be taken on a snipe hunt in their life time... Ya wouldna wanted us to break the rules now... Sudo you Rat you........lol Paw and tessa... my humbelest apologies about the bacon...you will both have to just make sure you attend next years weinie roast so that we can make it up to you......

Jardinaro, thankyou for those kind words...lol However, I am not so sure Rascal Dad`s mellowness wasn`t due in LARGE part to Hawk`s hootch ;-) Your Son was such a great deal of fun for my kids...He was so much fun that MY guys didn`t have the time or energy to fight amongst themselves....lol they sure had fun...what a sweet boy. Ok bow, you win.... you indeed managed to insert your foot farther in your mouth than I did....lol I guess I don`t feel so bad....HOWEVER....after relating this NEXT story....you will have to admit that it is *I* who managed to win the award for biggest *flake* Saturday....... after breakfast...folks scattered...some went to the play grounds...Hawk`s son Corey took everyone out on a boat ride.... thankyou Hawk and son....that was a great time ....the highlight for my guys. Lunch was enjoyable...nothing was ever any effort because everyone pitched in...Shellon made sandwitches...Jardinero passed out soup n such....I have to mention that poor pawvio, not camping on grounds....always showed up too late to get any food the poor man...we would frantically scrape together enough leftovers to feed the poor guy......he never got to enjoy it hot...and there was never any bacon left....sigh. As evening aproached, I realised I had forgotten some necessary items so had phoned a fellow karate mom and invited her to the cook out with her two kiddos....and oh by the way would you stop and feed the dogs n grab a few items on the way for me?....lol Well she finally shows up with her kiddoes...and my guitar... just in time for sudoes dance....sigh....she thought we were nuts...but was willing to give us the benefit of the doubt and stuck around.....sigh Well about this time the long awaited *snipe* hunt that had been arranged for the sole benefit of Shellon, whom had never been on one .....and of course the kiddoes were all clamoring to go..... Well, shellon chickens out at the last miniute darn her....n I tell my kids that they can ONLY go if their Dad does....and I give their Dad EXPLICIT instructions about kiddoes running around inna woods with no flashlight...course my friends children insist on going as well....so with great misgivings....deciding to rely on the good sense of the adult in charge of the group.........grrrrrrrr we allow the troup to depart....... Now mind you we notice Hawks Son corey returning top camp a little later...and just assume the dear boy changed his mind........well 30 miniutes later...Mark returnes sans my benji, jardinaros son, and Darcies sone Josh....(2 of which were the rowdiest most likely to get themselves hurt boogers in the entire camp) To our mounting horror we find out true to the great fun in snipe hunting.... corey left the three guys in the woods with no flashlight...scared the daylights outta them from the dark and left em there....... OMG talk about coming unglued....our poor babies out in the dark woods all by themselves for an hour....I am ashamed to say that it is with great embarrassment .... that my mama grizzly fanges began to show.... I am snarling at Mark and hawk that they had better FIND those babies and Gawd HELP them if they try to come back without em.... Darcy is shaking like a leaf I am trembling and go over to the camfire and manage to blurt out that the kids are lost an SOMEBODY had better be a prayin because *I* was certainly in NO shape........lol Meanwhile Darcy is definatly sure that we have ALL lost our minds.... Well low and behold corey brings back our boys...safe and sound... (it was with great difficulty I restrained the 3 outraged sisters which were fixing to climb the poor boy like a tree)...(did I mention they are the three top karate students in our school) Poor Corey... he`s a big strong boy, howver, he`d a had his hands full with THAT threesom...lol Poor Corey had just been following the instructions given for SHELLS hunt...and didn`t understand all of the fuss...He also mentioned that when he went back to scare the boys...the little monsters pelted him HARD with rocks before he could slip away....poor guy. Well needless to say , as soon as Darcy had her son she bundled her kids up and fled before we had a chance to lose im again... oh dear...I guess I have a few fences to mend. Well the kids had a great time talking about the hunt ...and Corey had done a great job....they will never forget it....just enough scarey to be fun....I am afraid that darcy and I were the biggest *victims* of the hunt...as we truly were the ones that had been trauma er terrified....lol Corey you did a fine job, I was in no shape to thankyou that night, but in hind sight, we apreciate the effort you made to make it the best *snipe* hunt ever, and beg your forgivness for any harsh words spoken in the hight of fear lol....they are STILL talking about it being the highlight of the campout...Stephen was dissapointed that he didn`t go with you. Hawk, Corey is a really fine, decent young man. I have to mention that earlier that afternoon I wanted my rv level but couldn`t budge the jacks....and when I asked Mark, he didn`t wanna fool with it n blew me off said it couldn`t be done....well Corey comes over and mentions, that he thinks he can make it work and may he try? Mark gave him a sceptical look, n I said wait a miniute, Corey has proven himself twice before against the better judgement of the adults present...let him try...and the next thing I know...I look over and my rv was PERFECTLY level.....bless his heart...Thanks again Corey! More to follow........ [This message was edited by rascal on September 23, 2003 at 10:39.]