rascal

No hear me please what the hay...he HURT us and he NEVER cared....He just kept using and hurting.. O One person I have spoken to refused him sexually ...he threw her off of the wow field and told her whole innie family that she was possessed ...so loaded with ds that they were to believe NOTHING she said......and vpw being the man of God...the family BOUGHT it...this young girl not only lost ALL of her ministry friends ...but the respect and confidence of her family as well.......can you IMAGINE??? WTH... He not only tried to intimidate a wonderfull young believer who was simply out on the wow field trying to serve God...when refused he threw a hissy fit and lied without compunction...he lied to cover his butt and to get back at anyone who would DARE refuse him ... I understand that you do not want to believe that vpw was a predator... one who prayed uppon folks who simply wanted to b closer to God...but please don`t brand us liars in your zeal Your brothers and sisters in Christ...people who were earnestly seeking God...people who turned to vp because he told us HE had all of the answeres.... There are those here wth...more than one who endured the same treatment....just ask...we are not all liars... Do you know that Mrs.W knew?? that she cried and cried over the brutal callousness with which vpw ignored her feelings of his sexual activities??? Told her if she didn`t like it to lEAVE??? Wth this isn`t us slamming a dead man...this is about letting people know he was a very mean man who pretended to be a man of God... One last thing...I`d like you to consider how in the bible God said that if you couldn`t love your brtheren that you COULD see...you couldn`t love God whom you couldn`t.....Please wth...he did NOT love the people that he used and tossed aside. I have NO doubt that vp hellped some people...but the bible talks about that as well...talks about even the evil folks are willing and capable of helping those they like...no honor in that...

vpw HURT us..he USED us....he callously tossed us aside when all usefullness was exhausted. This man did these things to good people...your brothers and sisters in Christ...IN GOD`S NAME!!!! and yet you want to venerate and revere him... while backhanding those who endured his spitefull usage....this makes you a mighty sorry character yourself, wth...really creepy. All I can say is ...sa good thing that God still cares for us whether we idolize vp or not... eh? You got no business calling us liars...trust me...HE knows the score.

Poor wth... are we tarnishing your pristine image of poor ole beleagured vp? Ex10, I agree...Getting angry over the lies...the mistreatment of our brothers and sisters in Christ...the misuse of resources...IS part of the healing... Wth ...why do you need to believe so intensly that vp was a good guy? It seems so important that you have to label everyone who really saw the darkness first hand...as liars or overexagerating whiners... Makes no differance to me what you believe...all that I can say is that you are categorically wrong in your perceptions of vp and us.... stay ignorant as long as it pleases you...

vpw needs no one to demonize him...his actions stand all by themselves. Why are YOU uncomfortable with the accounts of vpw`s villainy wth? Why is it important to you to sanitize history to make vpw appear as wholesome? You appear to need to belittle us in order to retain your respect of vpw....

Yup.... I do...I look at my brothers and sisters my friends and realise that they did just FINE without *knowingthewordlikeithasntbeenknoensincethefirstcentury* You guys and greasespot is about the nicest thing to come out of that whole mess.

How bout we place him on a rotating spit over a fire....now THAT would be the ULTIMATE *weinie* roast;-) I`ll bring the marsh mellows. (Guess *some* of us just won`t ever get it eh Roy?) [This message was edited by rascal on February 08, 2004 at 15:41.]

Also...chweter...didn`t see jc buggin us about being tender hearted and forgiving of the people who were stealing from and hurting believers(specially the leaders)... seems like the consequences of their activities were at times rather brutal... Shoot Forgive all you want if you are so moved...but get your finger of judgement and misapplied bible out of my face ok?? lol...cause I`m liabel to bite it right off... [This message was edited by rascal on February 08, 2004 at 10:25.]

Dammit chwester,,I wish you would quit assigning emotions, atributes and attitudes that are not mine....let me repeat this for you ONE more time.....sigh *I* am NOT bitter OR angry...OR to be pitied...I simply DETEST this particular scum bag as I would ANY evil person who repeatedly hurt people whom I love...ain`t NUTHIN wrong with that! Funny I am that way with my children too...fiercly protective....wanna see my fangs bared??? just TRY to hurt one of em.....Geeze I suppose he won`t forgive me for that either will he? God is good...life is sweet .....no misery or bitterness...I CAN be angry and sin NOT ok?? FYI...we WERE told that we could do this IN the bible ...ok? [This message was edited by rascal on February 08, 2004 at 10:27.]

impotent???? IMPOTENT???????? Me n Guest spouse????????? ....why we have 7 children together!! ROFLMAO!

Begging your pardon wth...but you don`t know wtF you are talking about..... You have no CLUE as to why I revile vpw...why the man disgusts me to the very fiber of my being...it has NOTHING to do with helplessness.. if...IF you read galations chpt 5...and give the bible ANY credence at all ....it isn`t ABOUT whether or not you and I believe him to be a *man of faith*...or whether or not we are over reacting ...it was his ACTIONS!!! behaviores he himself endulged in.... listed in galations ... the very bible ITSELF convict him...READ it you will be astonished!!! For you to hint that vpw`s actions weren`t absolutely atrocious...that we are just wienies blowing things out of proportion...is an affront...You slam us in defense of a man whos actions were evil..and have proven to him be a man of the flesh...THIS is the guy you wanna get your panties in a wad defending?? Your loyalty and respect are misplaced.... God tells us EXACTLY how much credence or respect we should give someone with vpw`s characteristics...no matter HOW good his schpeal....it also refers to what is in store for said man....(hint it ain`t fame as a man of faith) [This message was edited by rascal on February 07, 2004 at 19:56.]

Welcome (((capt.jack))))) anybody that is a friend of cw`s ;-) maybe we should use that for the next billboard project outside of twi!

I guess so dan...he`d STILL be surrounded by lots of *nuts* eh?

I don`t know karmic....that or they use his posts as a shining example of what happens when a *believer* leaves the protection of the house hold...

If reincarnation were an option...I would make him young, beautifull, naive, female and 17 and place him back in time in his own sham of a ministry. That not being allowed...I`d vote for castration preformed with a dull rusty knife..

Probably wouldn`t say a word...just allow my middle finger express my sentiments towards him.

A bit late but I wanted to agree with mandii...the job story always bugged me...yeah sure job got his stuff restored...too bad so sad about the kiddoes...long as he got some more right??? WRONG!! Any real parent knows...you cannot replace the loss of one (or more as in jobs senario) child with the accumulation of others...it just isn`t like getting more and better *stuff* as a reward for your faithfullness. God doesn`t work that way...

Grown adults REQUIRED to sell their homes????? Fully mature married adults ......had to *SEEK PERMISSION* to have a baby???? *Accidental* preganacies were to be terminated??? Whats WRONG with this picture???????

You are probably right johniam....pathetic..trying to make me afraid of getting a spanking from a God that seemingly has been SO good to me. Makes all the sense in the world...answere prayers...shower us with blessings...take the time to educate us...send some one to hold us when we are stricken... see to it that we are prosperous...he has been doing ALL these things for me ... so that one day when he gets us up there where he wants us he can give us a good a$$ kicking????? I don`t think so.... You can`t make me afraid of one who has been so good to me llpof [This message was edited by rascal on February 03, 2004 at 9:52.]

Remember ... this post was made almost TWO years ago...I have a sneeking suspicion that kay`s opinion might have changed since then....MOST of us have. Dunno what your point is in using someone ELSES two year old post to rub our noses in dart...but I don`t like it... I agree with the poster that said you oughtta tell us what YOU think using YOUR words....it`d sure .... me off if you snatched a two year old post of mine and used it to justify some obscure agenda. Agreed dmiller....no more cliques for me...

What the Hay .... the problem with vp is very clear when you read galations where the atributes listed of a *man of the flesh* are measured against those of a *man after the spirit* There is one catagory that the majority of vp`s habits and character placed him in... THAT is what history will show.... Character is determined by how you act when NOBODY is watching....

Earballs knocked together??? Only one person on the planet I know that uses THAT term...izzat you Craig? Then again I guess if it were... you`d know that these women aren`t lying...wun`tcha??? Geeeze liar...your name says it all..... IF you spent any time at ALL checking out the info provided...you would find out that there are many MANY women who have come forth with the same information of abuse and WORSE of accounts of the outragious abuse indured at vp`s hands.... it is really foolish to sound off about folks and situations that you know nothing about.... Undoubtedly you will NEED to slap them with the label of liars as well...after all...you HAVE to justify your refusal to consider truth in some way..... I believe that it must be in order to preserve the pristine image of the your wolf in sheeps clothing.....and his doctrine. You are mistaken about what is in store for us when Christ returnes as well...sounds to me as if you are trying to drag us back into the fear and bondage that we have been delivered from... Life is good...GOD is good...there is no need to be afraid of either anymore llpof...come on give them both a chance...

Dart...There IS healing to be had here...maybe it just didn`t appear in a form this person would consider or recognise?

If Christ is holding and teaching from a pfal book at the return...seriously.....FIRST thing that I`d tell him is that I`d PREFER to be in Hell....please!

Very little integrity was shown by vp..in the senses realm..he decietfully used the bible to sate his lusts...manipulated folks through their love for God... Why would I believe that his representation of the bible or spiritual realm had any integrity? Even the newest of newbies upon hearing lcm teach, or meeting him..... had the perception to recognise a blow heart and bully.... His choice of lcm as successor screams volumes about his spiritual *discernment* abilities... We couldn`t trust his choice in successor in *Gods* minisry...How in the heck could we ever trust that he was any sharper when it came to discerning what God wanted us to know? If you can`t love each other whom you CAN see .... How can you claim to love God? In adition to his lack of integrety...he had a little trouble in THIS area as well All things considered...he was unworthey of our trust, respect or prayers or love.

Hmmm thats quite a stretch...liar liar lol....I dunno if referring to him as JC is disrepectfull...shoot HE knows the intent of our hearts whether we call him master... savior...messiah......whatever...His own deciples didn`t refer to him as Jesus Christ....I am sure that the aramaic variation was pronounced different as well... Sounds like you are not only judging the intent of our hearta...but trying to make us afraid of him all over again... Agreed pat....much more.