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Hmmm maybe he NEEDED folks who were willing to put their loyalty to God first... could it be he needed the folks he treated abominably and drove out???? maybe not...maybe he accomplished EXACTLY what he NEEDED to do in order to have the way ministry be what he wanted... Fancy that... needing all of us copped out possessoes from left field... Who`d a thunk that maybe he needed some of that savorless salt that he so thoughtlessly cast out in the street... Maybe we weren`t as worthless as he percieved...

Ya know seems to me....that IF craiggers had been right on with his demand....IF it had been a Godly request... With the help of the tens of thousands of peaple who DID swear allegiance to him... With THEIR loyalty...THEIR allegiance...THEIR prayers...THEIR devotion to moving the word and supporting the ministry....financially physically and spiritually.....thats not to MENTION the presence and willingness of God almighty for whom this was supposed to benefit.... Logically He SHOULD have been able to pull the thing out of the toilet... Oldies...with all of that high powered help...why do you suppose that he couldn`t he save the way ministry?

Nice distraction though from the question of why he needed us out of the way ministry...or why willingness to serve God and minstry were not enough...

That is a damnable LIE oldies.... just because ONE couple that YOU knew worked that way certainly did not mean the rest of us had any power or authority. You LIE! Iwas ostrcised as were many other women I knew soley based on our husbands decisions. We had zero power zero influince once we were married ...ESPECIALLY if as in my case the husband was corpes and the wife was not.

Willingness to serve God... Willingness to support twi... Willingness to aquiece to every demand of our time resources and homes for fellowship and classes... Willingness to devote our entire lives ... ALL was deemed no longer available or acceptable if we didn`t swear an oath of loyalty to a man .... S`funny but I don`t get the impression he was REALLY looking for people to stand with him and the ministry to help move God`s word...sorry.

WHY did lcm demand that the folks who`s loyalty to God FIRST out of twi? WHY did lcm demand the leaders who had the guts to confront him about his sin leave twi? WHY did lcm feel threatened by believers who simply loved God and wanted to serve in the way ministry???? WHY was the only thing that made you acceptable for service and attendance to twi functions a sworn oath of loyalty to Craig????

THAT was part of the letter...that was the sugar coating on the poisonous pill....EVERY bit of that sounds emminantly reasonable.... but but BUT...that was not what was being asked....we were all ready doing ALL of those things...no problemmo.... THAT was not good enough....he wanted a LETTER swearing LOYALTY to HIM...the man... Something he had no business demanding .....

Oldies....why did craig need those who`s loyalty was to God first out of the ministry? Could it be...(as I believe that we have seen since), that he needed anybody with back bone or the courage and integrity to confront the darkness.... out of his way so that the evil could run rampant and unchecked??

Oldies...I tried to stay in twi....but as a woman...my loyalty meant nothing....the oath had to come from the head of the house hold. I still attempted to attend fellowship.... I repeat ...asking me to *bend* just a little bit ....is NOT what was asked... Unquestioning unbending loyalty to craig WAS what was being not asked but REQUIRED~~~~~ a far cry from asking me to be a little bit flexible.

Oldies....that is rediculous...WE HAD been giving lcm the *benefit of doubt* every since he took OFFICE!!!!! That is another distortion ...and YOU know it.... We never STOPPED treating him with honor, treating him with the utmost respect... daily prayed for him and his family........ never bad mouthed him....never even spoke to the naysayers that were leaving twi in droves at the time....we supported every hair brained edict that proceeded from his office.......the ONLY thing that we refused to do was swear an oath of loyalty to him...lcm...the MAN!!! The MAN who SAID...at the time he demanded the loyalty oath...*and don`t give me any of this loyalty to GOD crap*...HE said it...not me oldies.... We attempted to serve in any way possible...only to be frozen out....we didn`t play ball by old craigs rules...n now we were gonna pay. What he required of us was neither reasonable ...or Godly....it was not his to demand. I repeat...our loyalty was to GOD ....not any man....and those are the people that were thrown out. have you ever wondered WHY the people who`s primary loyalty was to God needed to be removed from the presence of twi? Why couldn`t Craig have us there?????

Commitment and loyalty to one whom repeatedly showed himself unworthey of that trust??? We had no problem being committed to God`s ministry OR helping move God`s word...but THAT WASN`T WHAT HE DEMANDED!!!! YOU oldies man, are changing what was said. Our commitment to God and twi meant nothing and was not permitted UNLESS we swore loyalty to lcm ..the MAN!!!! We were not allowed to BE believers unless we swore loyalty to that MAN!!! This MAN repeatedly showed his lack of spirituality...lack of perception....lack of morality...and yet WE weren`t going to be allowed to be participants in twi unless swearing an oath of loyalty to him... WE never changed in our stands...we never changed in our commitment...we never stopped loving God or teaching his word to peaple...we never slowed down in our participation of outreach...but THAT was not good enough....not to be permitted...only...blind loyal obedience to lcm was acceptable.... When we tried to carry on our spiritual responsibilities we were stopped cold..we tried to remain committed to twi ...tried to honor our commtment to God...and were not wanted... were not to be loved.... were not to be tolerated.....unless or untill we swore an oath of loyalty to a man....it was black mail pure and simple... Once again oldies....you are trying to make an unconscionable act appear reasonable....no way...

I wish pam would tell it...she can do a much better job than I....but to sum it up as best I can remember ....She was in a vehicle parked on the street using a lap top to post in the chat room....and when she gleefully told folks where she was.......rofl....all of a sudden lights were coming on all over hq...and security was driving out to find her boomsquick.......lol...they couldn`t do anything though becase she was on a public street....my point was...if Pam sans experience is any indication....they did/do moniter this sight and the one before this...

Whos to say oldies??? well umm lets seeee ...could it be that his hurtfull ACTIONS never changed???? that he still maintained SIN in his life??? That he was STILL (as is commonly reported)...forcing his sexual attentions on unwilling women in the corpes?????? That he was STILL throwing women out of the corpes and destroying their reputations for non compliance...as so many have related??? Ummm oh I know...it must have been the new revelations that he recieved... that proved so successfull for *God`s* ministry... ie full time corpes...ummm his wonderfull new classes.... Just look at the connection he was proven to have had with God in order to lead the *household* into the *promised land of the prevailing word*...to recieve direct revelation from God that the word was NOW over the world... Man didn`t he just exude the in depth spiritual perception and awareness of a man who was operating all 9 manifestations in an attempt to *turn things around*??? What a pity more of us didn`t stick around and help him with the vision that God gave him....Ohhh THATS right...many believers DID...it didn`t HELP!......I suppose that I should just hang my head in shame...

Loy boy...sound mind rofl....every communication I EVER recieved from lcm demonstrated how truly cluless he was spiritually...repeatedly he would draw an erronious conclusion and go off on a tirade...rarely would he investigate to understand ....instead ... just like a child he`d throw a temper tantrum and try to hurt you if if you proved to be beyond his control One time he visited Emporia at some odd ball time of day during the week when most of the believers were unable to get off work in our town....one pathetic loser from our town attended the meeting and filled ole loys ears full of how *he* was the only grad standing...*he* was the only one who supported lcm... just a-- kissing in general...so what does mister oh so spiritual do??? Does his in depth spiritual perception tell him that the snitch was really an abusive a hole held in contemp by all who knew him for being an abusive bully to his wife and her son??? Does he call the lc and ask the status of our fellowships or the reliability of his little stooge??/ does his manifestation of spirituality move him to call the tc`s and let them answere for themselves??? Oh heck no...he disbands all of the fellowships in this town of long standing believers...declares us all posssessed and unworthey... no longer to be associated with twi....great move idiot... incident before that....at tc`s and bc`s recomendation and blessing....I accept a marriage proposal ...being app corpes...I write my obligitory letter to hq`s stating why I will not be entering the corpes that fall....I get back a scathing letter from lcm....never has met me before...knows nothing of the mountains moved by God during that wow year...has NO clue as to the recomendations of the leadership in my area....just flies off the handle... He declared me a liar....a vow breaker to god..a real loser spiritually .... that my *heart* had never been corpes to begin with if I let something as rediculous as marriage interfere with my responsibility to God.... Though crushed by his evaluation of me and my motives......I KNEW what God had accomplished for me that year.....I KNEW what direction I had been led in by him....I knew right then that he really hadn`t a clue about my spirituality....or what God`s will or opinion was of me....or my spouse...he was just CLUELESS! Well imagine how strange it was to get a letter from the same lcm 3 short months later...WELCOMING me into the corpes house hold ....stating how wonderfull and spiritual I was in general now that I a part of the spiritual elite... boy I was someone really special now a dear sister...yada yada.......gag....here is the same guy who visciously condemed me 3 months before for being such a dissapointment to God ....what changed??? ....was it my spiritual abilities heart and worthiness??? H-ll no....just the fact that the man I married had the right color name tag....THAT man had NO spiritual perception...zero...nada...as well as absolutely no regard for me...he never bothered to investigate ...to find out what was the true state of things before flying into a rage and attacking.... and we are are going to swear an oath of loyalty to this man????......One who so rarely knew the true state of affairs before condemning and attempting to destroy any who did not jump at the snap of his fingers ???/ Time has shown every one else what we learned the hard way back then....that lcm in NO way merrited or deserved our our respect...much less loyalty..

Where`s pam san? She can tell about posting in the old chat room one time at 1 am from a lap top and saying that she was outside hq....rofl....security musta wet themselves cause it wasn`t 30 seconds before lights were coming on all over hq..and she was recieving a *visit*..... Also one poor lady was *caught* on waydale....she had to quit posting...I miss her.

I don`t know about that peroxide dott...my husband used it on me for some ailment and I have had nothing but trouble with my ears every since. It seems like the peroxide has broached some sort of natural barrier that was supposed to be there.... Fluid now builds up ...causes dizziness...all sorts of troubles....ear aches...stuff that has never happened in my 42 years before this. could the use of this be the source of your troubles as well?

Hold their feet to the fire proberg!

Welcome to grease spot Joe....I hope I can say this without offending you and running you off...but I really must take issue with your view of your brothers and sisters here... Joe, I am sorry...but we are NOT broken cisterns here...OR filled with muddy waters... We are ever so much more than that.... I agree with dott...please wipe the sand or scriptures or mote...whatever it is obscuring your vision....whatever it is that is preventing you from seeing what a wonderfully diverse group of precious souls we are here...each and every one valuable in their own unique way.... I wish that you could see just how precious each and every one of us here is to God....That you could see us as God does...

It may be common place....but in a christian ministry where folks were led to believe that they actually had access to the mog....that he really cared enough about them personally...enough to send a personal response.......I think is dishonest...( though when hypocracy and dishonesty in twi will quit suprising me...I don`t know) I would much rather know that he didn`t have time to respond....than to have a response I ... a fake letter that I treasured as my personal corespondance from THE mog

You know...some how that seems down right dishonest....here you set yourself up as mog of our day and time...you encourage people to believe that you love them...that you want the best for them....that you are at their disposal....people write you...earnestly wanting/needing answeres to spiritual dilemma...thrilled with the reply that they get from THE mog of the 21st century....in reality it was answered by some staff member....not only answered ...but it would appear that he can`t even be bothered to SIGN the friggin thing....seems like yet one more betrayal of trust.....WHY this suprises me, I don`t know.... That sweet little blurb at the end of pfal about writing to the *teacher* ...baaaah just one more lie. I suppose he had someone ELSE do all of that praying he swore that he personally did for each and every one of the wows every day....

If my pets don`t greet me when I arrive in heaven...well... there would most certainly be sorrow on my part....something which we are promised there will be none of. I look forward to being reunited with them every BIT as much as I do my *human* relatives.... I look forward to being reunited with my dear shep mix who shared my journey through twi ....I also take comfort in being able to thank her, as well as the miriad of other beloved souls whom I have had the priveledge of their company....for the comfort they provided...the lessons imparted...the never ending patience and loyalty displayed. I also will apologise...I will earnestly ask forgiveness for the many times when *duty* to twi...job...new family etc, those distractions that resulted in the ignoring and neglect of a faithfull friend. I believe that they will be there....these wonderfull animals are so much more than we were ever taught to believe in twi...such a blessing from God...I have NO intention of dismissing their importance because of stupid twi doctrine.

wooohooo sounds like it is gonna be a great bunch this year.... I am buying a newer bigger rv ...so will have many nice amenities (bigger bathroom lol) NOTHING could keep me away....

One wow year ...our wow bro was a professional chef...lol...we volunteered to do ALL of the other household chores and leave him free to cook every night. Even though on a very strict budget....that was the BEST I have ever eaten...The man was truly gifted.

Wow ISTW...that really sux....somebody should have bought you a hamburger....I cannot IMAGINE everyone eating and not at LEAST sharing with those that didn`t have anything...I am sorry. I can only remember 1 time that I didn`t have anything to eat in a 24 hr period on the wow field...It seemed like the food was good and sustaining...but then I was a petite woman...maybe the guys were starving.... It seemed like the local believers in the area would throw parties and picinics and contribute to feed us on a fairly regular basis...all of those who fed a hungry wow...let me say now, thankyou....the kindnesses are still remembered.. In one state the all the believers contributed gifts for Christmas....really really nice gifts...we all cried, It was the best Christmas ever... I think that we lived well....but only due to the wonderfull folks that lived in our area... The worst struggle I had was in a way home in North Dakota.... As a waitress, I didn`t make nearly enough money to keep my vehicle running in that harsh environment....I had to walk a lot....brrr can you say *frost bite*???

Wow...*use* the good people to do the dirty work....damn if that doesn`t really make sense...and vpw n ha laughing their -sses off all the way to the bank...(to quote ha)