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Allright let the preparations for the 3rd annual weenie roast begin.... First off the location: Fall Creek Falls State park in Middle Tenn..North of chattanooga..(directions will be forthcoming) Date: Colombus day weekend oct. 9th n 10th Oak...I accept your generous offer...you are hereby in charge of the paper products...and coffee...are you staying in a cabin or the campground? I have a big coffee pot as well...maybe we can have one in each location.... Hawk...I am accepting your offer of sausage and bambi stew as well....can you bring two mornings worth of sausage?? Also...you are usually our fire guy and bring the cast iron skillet and pot...oh yeah and most importantly...PEAR water!! Sudo...are you willing to bring enough stew for dinner friday evening? I`ll get some rolls... dmiller...bring your banjo...I will brush up on my guitar....I only know the intro to duelling banjos... Somebody needs to get in touch with ttessa...we can`t have a weinie roast without her...she has been the *voice of reason* for the first two...even remembering to bring the all important toilet paper...The kids are hoping to play poker again this year as well. Anybody interested in bringing ball gloves for a softball game?? Maybe that is more effort than folks are willing to exert....lol we sure enjoyed sitting around hawks fire a lot last year.. I can bring a volley ball net....the kids seemed to enjoy it last year... Anybody flying into a local airport ...needing to be picked up ...or lodging before and after the event can contact me...I have a couple of bedrooms ...though you will have to wade through the pack of dogs...kids horses...etc once you get to the mobil home you will be safe though I cannot make it up to the park this month....but will do so soon...I like the idea of a group of cabins and a group of campers....it has worked well so far....I like hawks campfire...I like also having an area to lay screaming children down for naps...lol..some points to consider I however am open to the single huge lodge as well.....it sounds like a hoot! Either way sounds like it will be fun!

I tell ya....there can only be ONE bd...that is our dear mike... HOWEVER...if he wants to *direct* me ..lol to take charge of food and checking out arrangements...this I can manage... Ok...ok...as my FIRST order of business I chose to adopt mikes plan of a 3rd annual weinie roast thread....though I wonder if we want to abandon THIS one...it is so much fun and has so much information.... We`ll see how well I dictate I guess....by whether or not anyone decides to follow me there....lol

Oh yeah ...there was a two drink limit...that was always circumvented by making sure they were extremely LARGE drinks... The leaders kept it pretty clean for us lowly tiggys...but as you went up the way tree and could *handle* things spiritually a little better ...blech there was a lot more heavy drinking...heck look at vpw ha hw...they were really heavy drinkers

ME the BD??? gulp...can he DO that??? I was under the impression that it was a lifetime appointment when we originally dumped...er bestowed that load..er honor upon YOU mike... lol Hey the offers good for you n cam too if you need a stopping place on your way north.

Paw...if you will come this year...I solemnly SWEAR to set aside your fare share of the bacon...lol I will guard it with my life.. Mike...I`m thinkin it wasn`t the KIDS that needed the leashes last year ....hee hee Don`t worry bout mama grizzly`s fangs.....lol...I hear that there will be a dentist on the premesis that can remedy that problem if I get outta line...sides...my cubs`ll be the first to tell you I am all roar and no bite....

Lol...Thanks for the vote of confidence sudo....however I would never want it thought that I wanted to usurp the throne of our benevolent dictator mikey...lol However, I will do whatever I can to help make things easier for everyone since I am close...no worries about food and meals...it is easier for one person to figure out....n everyone can kick in a bit towards cost....if that is deemed suitable. Sudo...Your stew is a MUST!!! I have one suggestion only...MORE please...lol one bowl is just not enough of your *better`n sex* stew mmmmmm My rv has a kitchen ... and hawks cast iron fire implements are a great asset... dmiller bring your instruments...who coordinated the music last year?? They did a great job. I had planned on camping ...however ...if everyone wants the big lodge I can do that too. The nice thing about having cabins AND camping is that the adults without children can distance themselves from those of us with em...when the little monsters get on their nerves.... a guiet place to nap is a must ......eh mike? Digi...I have lodgings here at the farm if you need a place to stay before or after...and could probably pick up folks who flew into Nashville or Huntsville the day before.... I will try to get up there sometime this summer and scope things out.... sounds like things are shaping up nicely... A warning to anyone who has never been to a weinie roast....you will never wanna leave...You meet and learn to love alla these cool folks and then they just up and leave....lol I am looking forward to seeing you all again...

Allright...kids n horse dog are on the list of things to bring...lol Guess since I am the closest to check things out....will look it up on a map and try to take a drive over....count on me for biscuts n gravey...though someone`d better double check n make sure I bring flour n sugar this year.. things that others brought last year that were good bacon...eggs...jelly...fruit......oj Hawk you bringing your iron stew pot and pan? I will also make a big pot of chicken soup ....maybe even a giant pot of sketti... ummm it`d help if folks would volunteer to bring drinks and paper products....napkins cups bowls plastic ware...etc....or we can do it like last year....I will make a shopping list..pick up whats needed since I am close ...and folks can contribute when they get there..... Will have coffee as well....can`t WAIT!!!

Been trying to get in all morning to wish you a happy birthday Jim!! Hope it is a good day for you!

The story changed later catcup....We were told that it was herpes the bad kind......but menengitis was a more socially acceptable disease at the time....so thats what they told folks for a few years.

I believe that Pat`s is a valid question....it brings to light twi`s evil.... Dart....I believe that the ONLY folks that want us to *move on* are twi and it`s supporters...why?? because when we do....whenb they don`t have folks sounding the alarms...they are able to operate their deceptions yet again.... As long as folks shine the light of exposure in the direction of twi...twi is forced to keep a low profile...to keep themselves squeeky clean... I say hold their feet to the fire!!! Thanks Pat and you others willing to keep twi uncomfortable.... I hope folks will never stop....

If memory serves me correctly...We were told once at a big meeting years later that it was herpes simplex 3......

Well personally....I think someones are FORTUNATE not to be arrested (or worse) when they burst in unannounced on a poor mother attempting to get her infant to sleep;-)

(((imbus)) I applaud your willingness to exhibit compassion and understanding with this m You are a much better person than I...I despise oldies for maligning my sisters in christ...I despise his necessity to make believers look *guily* in order to preserve his distorted perspective of twi. I think that his willingness to *crucify* us in order to make vpw acceptable is despicable... YOU have taken the higher road in dealing with a calloused destructive individual...and have my respect.

Oldies the REASON that you never heard the the teaching parallells between David and vp .... quite frankly ...is simply because you weren`t deemed *spiritual* enough to handle it....for those who were initiated...for those admitted into the oh so secret inner circle, it was the doctrine used to justify their behavior. The qualifications for initiation into the inner circle....higher spirituality??/ greater spiritual maturity??? ....naw either you were one of vp`s good ol boy buddies on one end of the spectrum...or young beautifull and naive on the other end.....you never qualified on either requirement...thus never were initiated into these greater truths...

Yeah oldies..I am sure that you value that free speach...it is what enables you to accuse...attempt to discredit and generally treat like **** anyone who attempts to reveal twi`s dark evil secrets....

You have said EXACTLY that oldies...more than one time more than one way....n you ALSO tried to say that cool and I were liars till mo backed us up... You attempted to characterise excathedra a liar untill others backed her up too... You declared me untruthfull about coersion into abotion as well... You accuse folks on the child abuse thread of overexagerating and tried to minimalise the events on the child abuse thread..... You accuse ..you call us liars....you blame us ....same mo since you started posting here....... Again this thread has been turned into a *blame* the one hurt....and detract from the real issue of the destructive sob`s that destroyed folks lives... Folks are beginning to see you for what you really are oldies...You aren`t here for any other purpose other than to cruise these threads waiting for a chance to discredit posters and make twi look good.. You exhibit no caring...no compassion...no desire for an accurate accounting of our lives and experiences in twi... I don`t understand your agenda....I just know that it has nothing to do with caring about your brothers and sisters in christ... You are not a nice man oldies...

Ya know...I remember my lc in al....I remember him screaming at me....(I still had a couple of animals and was app corpes)...He bellowed and screamed for 5 miniutes straight ...I am talking aboutbellowing at the top of your lungs ... red faced.. vein popping ...spittle flying rage.... I just cowered...when he was done....I meekly thanked him for *loving* me enough to help me be a better believer.... It amazes me how we were conditioned to believe that when leadership acted outragiously this way, it was our fault...that we messed up and deserved it....that they really cared for us....only wanted what was best for us....etc. I honestly believed that this was acceptable behavior....there wasn`t anything that I wouldn`t do to avoid being yelledat/loved by leaders....everything that was suggested, i complied with....like it or not...agree with it or not in order to avoid being *loved* again...a regular little robot programmed to obey at all cost....cause THES guys had the *connection* with God...THESE guys were the ones god told what he wanted me to do...THESE guys loved us and wanted only to help us be the best christian believers .... Sounds good cept it was some of these same fine folks, many times that were abusive demanding jerks that existed only to serve themselves and feed the maw of the monster twi... Certainly not all leaders...I met many fine selfless folks who DID serve God and care for the people in their charge....but enough so that the conditioning for instant cowering obediance was there whether the leader had our best interests at heart or not....

aaaw DAMN ((((mo))) God I am sick....not only did twi develope abusers....provide an environment that encouraged their behavior...they COVERED for the sick perverts......hid them....helped them evade prosecution...and then foisted them off on some other poor unsuspecting area....placed them in authority over yet a new set of believers whom had been trained to trust/support/obey ....to have them indulge in heinious acts... WHO gets persecuted and harrassed???? the slimeball child sexual abusers??? oh HELL no...it is the ones who have the guts to stand up against it.... Taught us to be abusers??? They raised it to an art form.

Oldies...it is a lie to say that *just say no* was an option. You know it, I know it.....why you insist on trying to cover for these wolves in sheep`s clothing...I do not know....they devoured people....they used the respect that was garnered as representatives of God...as leaders whom demanded unquestioning obediance because they were teaching us the *word*...we placed our trust in them and were viley betrayed. They screwed us literally and figuratively... I relate yeat AGAIN....I have met two women ...both were thrown out of twi...their reputations defamed ...family and friends warned to avoid the contamination of spiritual darkness...etc for refusing to put out..life/soul destroying betrayal....one was 17 at the time and didn`t want to *do* an old man...one was a naieve young woman that went in the corpes to serve God and was offended at the suggestion of a *threesome* with the great and mighty mog. One from vp and one from lcm.....neither story unique...as we have found out...Non compliance was NOT an option for most.....IF you wanted to serve God...IF you wanted to be spiritually mature..IF you wanted to obey the rules laid down by those whom we were taught to love and respect. lcm and vpw used our gratitude for the introduction to the bible played on our sense of loyalty to those who had represented God and his word to us.....to manipulate ...use and cast aside when our usefullness was exhausted...and taught others by their example to do likewise.... Geeze all they had to do was love us with the love of God...tens of thousands of us...all we wanted to do was serve God and share him with others....that was hijacked and used to serve themselves...imagine...had the selfless efforts...the prayers the money...the man power been used for a Godly endeavor....tell ya...we aren`t the ONLY ones who got *screwed*. What do you think it says about you to steadily alligne yourseves with such perversions of humanity?

(((((Imbus)))) I am SO sorry for what was stolen from you :-( It is just AWFULL when it dawns on you the magnitude of betrayal at these *Godly* mens hands.... our pure desire to serve God and grow....that honerable goal...was hijacked and twisted by selfish people who saw it as an oportunity to *get* some... Though never approached sexually....I can relate to the desire to want to be the best wog...the striving to be *spiritual* enough...*mature* enough to *handle* these *higher* biblical* truths... Putting aside personal likes/dislikes/...shutting down that small voice inside....to achieve that growth...that never quite achieved ...oh so elusive acceptability to God....this is what God needs of you...this is what God expects of you if you want to grow....God says this is ok... We shut down ourselves.....only to find out later that we were nothing more than an ends to get a need *met*...bahhh I hope there IS justice in this life or the next....I hope that the rat b-stards that masqueraded as men of God ... the ones who used that status .... the trust built in God and scripture to manipulate folks into servicing their base desires...using their *biblical* knowledge as that tool to manilpulate...as their justification for callouse misuse of their brothers and sisters... What sad sorry creeps ......

Oh wow...Thank you kit.......I JUST now saw this!! Miss Zoreta Rebecca...aka little *Z*...had a wonderfull day.... From the little tiaras worn by all at the tea party to the falling asleep in front of the new brother bear video........everything was perfect....lol Thanks you guys for remembering...I am STILL humbled bythe outpouring of love and support of you wonderfull people during that most difficult time.... What woman EVER had such a support team..eh? You guys are so special...and guess what??? Her little garden planted from the gift basket STILL blooms anew each spring... and I once again am thankfull for your generosity.

Maybe if the powers that be hadn`t treated many so badly JL....ex and others wouldn`t have a valid REASON for not appreciating the *party* that you enjoyed. Maybe the price paid by some, far exceeded any posssible usefullness from the minimal training that they recieved. Also, things changed radically through the years in the corpes...different administrations brought better food less stringent rules....sometimes more stringent....your experience probably depended a good deal on what year you went in.

I think you missed the point oldies...so I will spell it out... Lcm NEEDED the folks who`s loyalty was to God...also anybody who wouldn`t back down when confronting his sin...as well as anybody that didn`t immediatly obey his every whim to leave ....because he wanted his evil to be allowed to run unchecked.... What he demanded from was, I believe, tantamount t idolotry.....

We said our loyalty was to God...we never critisized lcm or the way ministry....YOUR senario does not resemble the situation in any way....

I never said that he was worshipping other Gods... I said that I wanted to serve God...I wanted to support the way mninistry I wanted to run fellowships...run classes...take classes.... I said THAT wasn`t good enough... I never said I was a victim you creep....I SAID that it did not matter if I wanted to go to fellowship or serve in twi....IT was not ALLOWED because my husband wouldn`t swear a loyalty oath to lcm..... I was treated BADLY by the believers because my husband would not obey... Ignored and ostracised by people who had known and I thought loved me for almost 15 years... Any respect I was once treated with as a multiple wow vet...ac grad...tc corpes spouse was gone nada...I was not spoken to after husband refused...