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Yucky zix, I am afraid that I would be out of my league with that bunch... The thread about you and paw is awfull.....How dissapointing that they cannot see things at gspot any more honestly than that. I feel like I need a shower.

I agree word wolf, anybody watching surveilance video of my life, would not find anything criminal or worthey of prison time.... S` matter of fact, the things in my life that I would be the most ashamed of folks reviewing, would be some of the things that I did in twi ...not because I wanted to, not because it was the moral thing to do....but because twi leaders declared that this was what GOD required of me. What the hey, I think that if you actually DID viewed a video of vpw during the course of his life, you would probably be sickened to the point that it would dispel any respect you held for him, or confidence in his *revelations* I`d have to question the moral fiber of anyone who wasn`t physically sickened by the depths of vpw`s betrayal for simple fullfillment of his base lusts. ....using God as his cover and camoflage. As far as judging him, heck no, but if you read galations chapt 5, it tells you exactly what to do with fellows that do the things vp routinely perpetrated on those who naievely trusted him to teach them about God.... a free pass wasn`t mentioned.

Hey zix, can you post a link or an addy?

Yeah, it`s hard not to when folks want to know how Mark and I met in Kansas....when I was from Alabama and he was raised in Nebraska...lol It has been so long ago for us.. that most people are astonished....we seem so *normal* One time, I wrote a memorial thread here at gspot about a man who had helped us when we left twi.... The minister of the church we attended had seen it ( I gave her a copy so that so his family would know that he had been seen as more than just a grizzled old reprobate) before his funeral...well she read it the next sunday at church and made it the teaching for the week....something along the lines of helping folks..this old guy was generally considered quite an ornery cuss...and yet, He was able to help a couple of folks ... be those hands and feet of God to welcome us into the community and pave our entry back into the *world* after over 15 years of mind warping service in twi....anyway...thought I was going to DIE of shame....I was simply mortified...lol it turned out most folks really gave us a lot of credit for leaving....after that there probably wasn`t anyone elese IN the community that didn`t know about our nefarious past...lol

Nope mj, none of the above....it is people finally being able to tell what happened to them in twi and being called (yet again) liars...and because SOME would rather slander a persons character, maligne them to the point that they don`t appear believable....than accept that the system that they built their beliefs on is flawed. When one comes in and says...that couldn`t have happened because *I* had a good time in twi...or *If that did happen it was ok because I got some good out of twi*....no matter what the *intentions* of that poster are...they are attempting to sweep the evil out of sight so that we once again, we can all go on pretending that everything was always godly and cool in way world....we were the ones that were flawed. Damn right I wont sit back and watch someone attempt to discredit us for the sole purpose of perpetuating a flawed belief ... I also have noticed that liar hasn`t had the courage to come back and read what we wrote or even engage us in a dialog...I can only imagine how *fair* that he would be if anyone were silly enough to take him up on his stupid offer....he was just in a ....ing contest... .

Linda...I spouted *company line* but I never attacked other posters...called them liars...assaulted their characters...labled them as servants of satan and against God...what liar is doing goes far beyond the company line. If you and guess wanna be nice to him...fine...but it certainly does not behoove me to...I am not required by any stretch of the imagination to entertain such treatment by a rabid beast.

Nice sentiment you guys...really, I tell you...I am as good a samaritan as any I suppose...but I simply don`t see liar being some poor battered and bloodied innocent robbery victim.......I think that you are up mixing your bible characters... he reminds me of someone else entirely... I didn`t see jesus making excuses for the religious pukes of his day....not when they accused him of lies .... hiding behind their dogma making THEM appear to be rightious and on God`s side......seems to me that I remember ...he got rather curt with them...and called them a lot worse than ANYTHING that we have called liar so far....Far from viewing them as broken and bloodied...in need of sympathy...seems to me, he saw them as menaces and liars. I can just see it....Awww you poor wittle phawacies....tsk tsk...I understand....you simply have been taught wrong...I just know that it isn`t your fault that you snap at people and froth at the mouth like ssome rabid dogs... bless yer hearts....I am sure that you mean well....naw ...they were so poisonous, twisted, that he didn`t cut em any slack...don`t know that I owe any to liar either ... There comes a point....when you go from being decieved by evil, to actively enganging in and inflicting the evil upon others ...an active participant........Liar has revulsion I feel towards any venomous creature.

I beg your pardon Sir Guess...but I DON`T strut ... and I DON`T strike blows for God nor attempt to speak for God or any more...I`ll leave that to liar ...

Ummm Sir guess... Forgive me..but can I explain how what you are doing looks to me? We were wronged terribly by vp and many in twi...and yet...we...the ones who speak up are slammed and called evil for speaking the truth...many do not condemn vp...or twi leaders for what they did...but get very angry with us for speaking about it...accuse us of exagerating and lying...point their fingers at US and tell us that WE are the evil ones.... .... Now this liar comes...he speaks vilely...slanders all who have spoken up...malignes our collective characters...and now ...here YOU are condemning us...rather than the one who was truly acting creepy in the first place...... Why is he worthey of your protection...and we of your contempt and condemnation? Liar has chosen to aligne himself with evil and close his ears to the voice of God...do you think that anything we say or do will open his ears and eyes? He will in all probably strut off into the sunset convinced that he has struck a blow for God....screw im.

Go ahead sir guess....you sound as sanctimonious in your condemnation of us...as liar does....throw salt on the wounds inflicted why don`t ya?..... we don`t HAVE to listen to a brow beating from some sanctimonious a-- hole.... the slime ball threw away all priveledges of being treated with respect when he stormed in here drawing lines and calling us all liars...... Ya know? ya come in here acting like a horses a--...you are gonna get treated as such....and we don`t need to feel one bit of shame or the condemnation that you are slinging buddy...any more than liars rediculous charges..

(((Fence))) I am sorry...it is all so sick...Anyone who could defend those who committed such evil while hiding behind God`s name and scriptures ....is really a sad pos Liar...YOU are a coward.... you were issued an invitation to join no less than 50 of us here in tennessee.... It is clear that you cannot back up your slanderous accusations face to face... Who exactly ARE you serving when you attack the people that vpw and his leaders hurt ...believe it or not...God loves us too... our pain suffered and shame endured...grieves him as well. Rather than serving him, I`d say that your attacks on your sisters and brothers would tend to .... God off.... Pal, you have aligned yourself with evil....and that is sad.

What about it big shot? Your bluff has been called...you gonna show up and back up your claims .....or tuck tail and run from the truth? Slamming the integrety of a whole mess of people you don`t even know ....really decent and much loved brothers and sisters.... The people you accuse of lying have endured so much more than you could possibly comprehend in your tiny little world ...and yet they STILL have the love and courage to help heal many......you coward....you aren`t standing for anything....and aren`t fit to wipe the shoes of those you slander.

As far as *judgement day*... I hafta wonder...who will get the biggest *spanking* Us for talking about what vp did... VP and twi leaders for WHAT they did...or, Liar for defending perpetrators of evil...and slandering his bretheren who`s trust was viley betrayed.....hmmm Somehow, I am not worried about our punishment for telling the truth about what happened.

Liar...you are venerating and defending a wolf in sheeps clothing....you are calling those he betrayed and destroyed liars....you show yourself to be delusional in regard to vpw sins...and his credentials... as well as unspeakably cruel to those who had the misfortune of viscious mistreatment at the hands of a man that they trusted to teach them the *word* ....don`t think anyone is going to trust you .... nor waste their time trying to change your mind.... you are not worth it .... p.s. .... Do you think GOD likes for you to attempt to maligne and hurt your brothers and sisters in Christ who were betrayed by vp? Truly you are of your father....

Liar liar.... tell you what....there will be about 50 or so grease spotters in tenn in oct....why don`t YOU back up YOUR big mouth .... show how much courage YOU have got n come pay us a visit... Tell you what though, you will be suprised at what a decent bunch of folks we are....(Heck, I`ll bet you`d probably even have a good time)....it`s a lot harder to throw those false accusations around when you are face to face.... I personally will look you straight in the eye and let you have the truth with both barrels....doubt you will take me up on the offer though, as I don`t think you have the moral integrity, the courage, or proof to back up your accusations.. What about it liar? Can you back up your big mouth?

Oak...it doesn`t make sense...nor do our replies because she edited a bit of *stuff*. Basically, it was a critisizim of us for talking about stuff....n something about were we seeing miracles due to our stand on Gods wonderfull word...etc etc...were our lips to God`s ears... Basically we are all bad boys n girls....

You don`t have time to see what we all have to say? I guess thats because we are so unimportant and unworthey of attention...sigh

You know anna, I know that somewhere beneath all of the new found contempt ... that there is still a lovely caring person... Ok, So I gotta ask...why do YOU think that God is so good to the rest of us who no longer follow a formula for success ?

Lol pmosh....yuck... I beg your pardon anna, but was that your finger in my face ??? Don`t need your scolding hon, yes...many many great things happening...and guess what? *standing on the word* hasn`t even been a pre requisit ..lol God, it appears does it simply because he cares:-)

Excellent Johnny Lingo.... you can be a part of our movement as well:-) I believe that we are non gender specific.

The I.R.U.U. movement hee hee ...thanks for the update. They DO make ours seem rather silly, don`t they ? lol ...Thanks for the update and the testimony sistah Mary cate.......Now we are three ...rofl. Now what happened to potential convert vickles I am wondering ?

Excathedra...*people flipped* yes they did, I remember...but you courageously stood your ground.... Damn it...though some flipped...for so many of us...it was the beginning of the scales of worship of wierwille and idolatry of his dogma began to loosen from our eyes. If it had not been for your bravery...for valerie...dot.... bow...all of you sharing the ugly side of twi....in spite of the screams of protest...the wails of denial...many of us became free to think again... Do you guys have any idea of the impact your testimonies has achieved? My self...my husband...are no longer enslaved by an unhealthy mindset...attempting to live an impossible standard...our children are no longer subjected to stifeling child rearing practices...our whole family...all 9 of us were freed to enjoy the guidance and love of a present God....one who up to that point we had been fiercely shutting out with every fiber of our *renewed* minds.... We no longer owed this scum bag and his stolen dogma our unswerving loyalty..... it was the beginning of freedom to examine unhealthy doctrine and dangerous practice..... I can only thank you all for your courage ... and hope that all of you who have shared your story, only to endure the indignity and humiliation of people`s doubt of your veracity....and sincerely hope that someday, someway you may all understand the debt of gratitude that many of us feel. Thankyou, Cathy

lol absolutely word wolf ...If I WANTED to use both...however, these days...I find my truck preferable for the present....I don`t feel or see a lack in my life nor do I feel guilty for not really caring about whether or not I drive the porshe ... since my truck suits my needs admirably...nor do I feel like there is something wrong with me anylonger because I find my guitar enjoyable..... That does NOT preclude you from driving your porshe or denigrate the enjoyment you recieve from operating your vehicle of choice....and I know I would love to hear dmiller with his wonderfull mandolin ...as I am sure it the music produced will be outstanding in his hands:-)

Maybe dmiller...but then again...maybe I like talking to God with my understanding better....maybe I would chose my comfortable though not nearly so valuable keyser keys guitar over your high dollar mandolin ( me playing my cheaper guitar would sound better than me ATTEMPTING to play your mandolin no?) Either way ..the music is played... Or concievably...I might prefer my own pick up truck over your porshe...lol either vehicle will get us where we are going...but if I am hauling hay...or doing farm chore at the time......I really DO think that my truck serves me better though battered and not nearly as pretty as the porshe... :-)

Happy Birthday, Sweetie!