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As indicated in his letter Galen, He informed us ahead of time, that he had no intentions of even READING our responses....thats how little he regards us. Angry, shoot yeah....it is healthy to get angry when you find out everything you held to be truth turned out to be lies...also I do not believe that it is wrong to be angered over the mistreatment of people we care about....squandering of the resources they extracted from us... Viewing us as angry and bitter...labeling us as such.....is a very convenient way to dismiss our importance or not to have to address the reality of our involvement in twi.... It is ever so much easier to remain in our comfy little* safe* zones.....than to address the wrongs...and grow out of our stagnation. I think that is my biggest problem with any ex twi groups ... even if everything they teach is 100 percent...everybody is still still thinking...talking .. acting .. expressing ...believing themself the same...no growth no difference...One man I know described seeing his spouse and their ex way fellowship...as bein stuck in some kind of time warp....nothing has chagnged since they were teens in the 70...not the terminology...the thought processes.....

Exactly Darell, Our spirituality was ALWAYS measured by A) how many people we brought to twig/class etc.... B) by which classes/programs we had completed.... C) how meek we were to bu tt chewings D) the alacrity with which we obeyed leaderships *suggestions* E) How much money we had to contribute. The greatest truth carried away from twi? Damn, I hate to say this...sigh ... my Mom and friends were right :-( (it WAS a cult)

If no other kids are going to be there...I might even leave mine at home...we will see. Or maybe just bring the older ones.

I will be there as well....my kids want to know who else is bringing kids.....

(((((oak))) You are a brave man, a man of integrety, I am so sorry that it cost you so much. Damn them for the destruction wrought when they could not corrupt you, make you back down and shut up once the truth was known...I dearly hope somebody will have to answere for their conduct... I salute you....and am glad to know that your life continues to get better. Cathy

Maybe Craig was simply jealous that we weren`t taking up for town cars and motor cycles for him....thus the *no gift* policy was enacted. Derailmant warning! Kindda kills me to think of alla the millions that they had pouring in at the time.......and yet they still had the nerve to pump us for extra cash for these *love* offerings....

Cherished child, absolutely, I agree with you... he WOULD see us as such ... We don`t fit into the prescribed formula anymore... therefor, are deemed worthless and dismissable....Not complaining mind you, apparently there are many exway that feel that way ;-).....lol.. I am just thankfull that God doesn`t view us as a waste of time.

You called us a cess pool here Galen....that does not denote beauty or respect.... I do not intend to offer grief to John Lynn...however, neither will I accept his one time drive by post as an indication of him giving a damn about his brothers and sisters here.......as it is ...he is much to busy to be bothered with the likes of us....like I said nooo problem....but don`t break your arm patting yourself on the back thinking that you have done us any favors.

Well Raf, it`s a good thing you love me in SPITE of myself...lol thanks :-). I guess I am still smarting from John Lynns disparaging remarks made about those of us who participate on exway sites.....he doesn`t seem to recognise God`s work or healing from any other source than twi/ces ...because we here at grease spot don`t fit in his formula...our healing and blessings aren`t genuine...we appear to be unimportant....certainly not of value enough to actually read or respond to our posts....sheeshe.............. Like I said....he doesn`t HAVE to be here....but don`t post once, never bother to check back and read our responses....and try to indicate that you give a damn... Genuine caring imo, involves an investment of time and emotion.... . There are REAL people behind these *posts* that he can`t be bothered to take the time to read.......fine no problem...no complaints....Go do your own thing...God`s speed....but don`t think for a miniute you have done anybody any favors by a single post....and then not even granting us the respect of carefully reading and considering our responses....THAT is what you do if you respect or care for an individual....Shoot, we here have afforded HIM that courtesy.........

(((Dot))) Thankyou, I hope that you are not horribly dissapointed in some of us. You are much loved, and your point of view is sorely missed ....I hope that you can forgive those of us that let you down....I hope that you will continus to share your compassionate point of view here at grease spot. I feel just like I did in twi....when all of the *good* folks were getting bullied out....when done...it simply left the bullies in the majority.....free to hurt people unencumbered. I am dissapointed in the conduct of the posters over at jw sight...It makes me ashamed that I spoke up for their right to be here.

Cess pool? How can one POSSIBLY evaluate what we look and smell like here at the ole greasespot...when one`s nose, mouth, ears, and eyes .... heck it would seem every bodily orfice so tightly jam pack plugged up with sh-t from twi/pfal? Generally, when one cannot see the great good that is being accomplished here, or underestimates the value of participation....it is because they are still completely blinded by adherance to the doctrines of a man who participated in and promoted viley evil practices...may I offer your exway friends some q tips and lens cleaner in order to apreciate the beauty to be enjoyed here Galen? As far as John Lynn....I can tell how much folks REALLY mean to you....we aren`t even important enough to read and respond to...fine...noooooo problem...we don`t NEED your participation in/on our road to recovery....(I am not even sure that one blanket letter posted even constitues *being here*) ... but dammit, don`t show up here and claim to *love* us or pretend you give a damn about anyones well being if you cannot even muster the respect or compassion ...(not to mention patience) to listen politely to what we have to say...it is the ultimate sign of disrespect and dismissal........what it IS ... is simply empty *feel good* words.... Wonder if you really believe that that what you did/said constitutes *caring*.....

A lot of us getting together in october in tenn for the weinie roast....you are welcome to join us....Mike Novac was my first tc....

Liar, Liare..... I can think of no other person on this planet more *worthey* of Mike`s *attention* :-)

I can`t get what I want from twi... TWI CAN`T give (or return) what was lost.... Youth....oportunities for education... time with loved family members no longer living... squandered because I was much to busy while they were alive with the work of the ministry...my high school sweety that I wouldn`t accept marriage to because he was not interested in twi..... My dignity and self respect. Money wouldn`t begin to cover what was lost due to twi involvement.

Jim Jones used God as bait...and to justify manipulation....you gonna excuse him too oldies? How is he any different than vp? He lured people in and lowered their defenses by claiming he represented God....people trusted...people died....no diff. Both men cut a swath of destruction and death through peoples lives in God`s name. Guess what oldies? People have been stealing ...killing ...destroying...torturing....all in God`s name from the very beginning of time...ever heard of the crusades? ever hear about the tortures? Vpw is just the latest in a long line of guys who used God as his shield to garner what he wanted from people. A child of the devil? I don`t know, A man of the flesh?? Absolutely...galations convicts him soundly....which destroys any respect or trust that I might have once invested in the man. His theft and manipulation of saints whom looked to him for the answeres that he claimed to have, fills me with the utmost contempt for his character as a human....and absolute disgust for his lack of decency.

I think that God worked in SPITE of vpw oldies...suuuure he led folks to jesus....then he used the respect gained tthe trust garnered to lower defenses and lure folks into the snare. Sounds like a con to me....sounds like God and the bible were the bait used to lure us in and then lower our natural wariness......sure the bait had to be reeeeally appealing to lure us in and lower our wariness...for us to ignore the warning bells... Gee whiz...He can`t be all bad can he? He taught me the bible...Guess what oldies....I heard one of Jim Jones followers on tv once, voice the exact same thing....*but he led me to Jesus*...*he taught the bible* I suppose you guys are willing to make the same argument and excuses for ole Jimbo as vp?

Um what the hey, you are seeing *missions* where none exist......kind of like those conspiracy folks....sorry, you are off base here. I can however, be damn good and mad about betrayal of the magnatude that vpw perpetrated.......and it is possible to get really cheesed when someone wants to down play enormity of the damage...or wants to EXCUSE vileness of that betrayal....or call my friends and I liars by claiming that the betrayal never occured.... To voice the deepest disgust for a man whom perpetrated such fraud in God`s name.....and to vehemently disagree with those who would have us believe that he was a *good* guy ...that is not the definition of a *mission* nor is it evil.... I don`t understand why anything you have said so far would make me uncomfortable.... I repeat... A person of character acts with integrity when NOONE is watching.....vpw should have conducted himself with unimpeachable morals and manifested a sterling character if...IF he wanted to be a representative of God and the scriptures....if he wanted to fullfill his lusts at others expense......use people... destroy the lives that turned to him for the answeres he claimed to have f....then he by God should have chosen another life`s work, rather than giving God and christianity a huge black eye.

Lol George....ya think that they are a match for me ??? People have viewed me as a bit *stubborn* these days...lol it is a good thing that God undertsands. I guess my beef is that sometimes a leader has a valid point....sometimes they are just having a bad day and are looking to make someone *pay*...it is a crap shoot whether or not their *reproof* is of any merit. I have realised through the years.... that God is quite effective in being able to *reprove* me when needed without the help of some puffed up toad that *thinks* maybe they know what is best for me...

I don`t understand where we get the idea that there is a person on this planet that posesses the qualifications to *reprove* us....reproof indicates that they have judged me and then decided that it is up to them to *fix* me...thats God`s and my job... No thanks...cast the beam outta your own eye first and just leave me the h--- alone.

A person of character behaves with integrety....even when noone else is watching.

What the hey, How we deal with *frustrating circumstances* defines who and what we are in this life. In ANY of lifes circumstance...you have two choices...You can either suck it up and still act with decency, honor and integrety no matter how difficult situations are....or you can use it as an excuse to pander to your weakness.... My husband comes from a long line of destructive alcoholics....your reasoning that the destruction meted out by vpw was acceptable and forgivable because *lifes frustrations* drove him to this behavior....is the same cop out lies that my alcohoplic relatives used when they were too weak and selfish to give up the booze ...or the abusive selfish behavior that has destroyed three generations of multiple families. See wth, a person of good character and intergrity would have STILL behaved in a decent manner ...no matter WHAT lifes frustrations were.... Gee, lessee ... the poor guy had millions at his disposal...no money woes...no health woes......had a devoted wife and family...had the prayers, love and support of tens of thousands of devoted bretheren....the best foods, the finest *toys* .....could write his own ticket....and the poor guy was STILL SOOOOO frustrated ...that he habitually indulged in booze .... the seduction of naieve young womnen...adultry ... viscious meanness....you think we should cut hiom some slack because he had some *frustrtations&? Many of us have had it a hell of a lot worse and have not embraced evil..... Who is evil wth? really...VPW indulged in the evil behavior.... embraced it with both arms...in the process hurt thousands...destroyed hundreds.....and yet you are mad at us for simply talking about it?

That is rediculous What the hey, where do you get the idea that *no mission* means *no passion*? That is stupid...I have plenty of passion.....confronting idolotry, and exposing vpw for the wolf in sheeps clothing that he was.... happens to be something that I believe is important.....When one realises that we were viley betrayed by the one we trusted, the scales begin to fall from our eyes, and the plugs from our ears....we are free to hear God and begin new understanding of God and see his blessings once again....besides, it just plain ....es me off that we were fooled...that our trust and naievety...our quest for God were our down fall. I see you folks who get upset when talk about vpw`s betrayal of his ministry, His God and the people seeking that God as having your eyes screwed tightly shut with your fingers jammed in your ears singing LA LA LA LA ...I can`t HEEEEEAAAAR you. I guess that it is the difference between viewing him as a *good man who made mistakes* or a *wolf in sheeps clothing seeking whom he can devour*...Galations chapter 5 declares anyone who indulges in vpw`s behaviors to be a *man after the flesh* rather than a *man after the spirit* He isn`t who you guys thought he was...the ministry was not what we thought we were building....how you view him and his teachings directly affects our grasp and understanding of God. I understand that you wish that we wouldn`t talk about the evil... it disturbs you ... I`ll tell ya, it`s just like when I run across a venomous snake .... I am not shy about warning the kiddos of it`s location...the neighbors...any possible guests of it`s location....it`s proclivity to bite when provoked or the disasterous results of such exposure....it is the same with vpw and his ministry wth...it is all in how you look at it whether you see healthy warning or evil speaking.

What the hey, I have no mission, that`s just silly. I understand that it bothers you when I speak of vpw`s evil, it ought to. He is not the man you believed him to be, you were betrayed. It is a lot easier to close ones eyes and ears and pretend that it didn`t happen and stay in our *comfy* area, than it is to deal with the messy truth....however, messy as the truth is...it is when you finally acknowledge the reality of the betrayal....the depths of depravety perpetrated by one we trusted...that you can begin to heal. As for vp *belly laughing* A poster calling himself H----- A---n. once wrote a letter to wd bragging about how a bunch of dirt farmers cheated all of us out of our money, took our wives and daughters and anything else that they wanted....laughed their a--es off all the way to the bank ...basically all we could do was whine....apperantly that is how they viewed us wth, ...suckers that they patted themselves on the back for being clever enough to *take*...Suprisingly, I agree with you ... vpw would probably still be laughing at us...no doubt the current bod does as well, they DID end up with all of the property and money that we spent decades of our lives earning and procuring for them.....laughing at us, gloating over their victory, ...that is not a good thing.

Ooops....well I guess if liar refuses to write posts in a manner that can pass moderation.......can`t be all that important to him to express....our loss no doubt....... As far as you knowing him...I don`t know why you think that would suprise me.....maybe you share a thing or two in common.....

Hey, if vpw hadn`t been such an amoral creep... hadn`t used people and betrayed their trust...there wouldn`t BE a web sight where there was *unrelenting exposure of every unflattering and sinful area of his life*....to bad so sad, it`s the price you pay when one does great harm to people...they generally tend to get ....ed off. Heres a thought, attempt to live your life in a moral upright manner...and it won`t ever matter if people ever DO attempt to examine it minutely 24/7!