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Use the WHOLE quote or none at all...your dishonesty is not cute.

Use the whole quote or desiste immediatly oldies... You are a manipulator.... your mo since appearing on these boards is to take a truth and misrepresenting what was said...you make it appear a lie ....You are a reprehensible person...you attack innocent peaopl in order to defend an evil man and an organisation that visited great evil upon those who trusted ......You are an outstanding example of what was vile and wrong in twi. You are a dark bleak soul...and strangely enough, rather than anger me...I feel only pity.

I dunno...most of us never dreamed that vp indulged himself....It would never dawn on me to think that my Dad was doing bad things....and yes he (my father) was having an affair right under the noses of his children...so I can see and understand why the wierwille kids wouldn`t know...or even want to believe ill of one whom they regarded as father. Geeze he was adept at fooling all of us and when confronted, justifying his actions...why not his own kiddoes? It is very possible to be naieve concerning a loved ones short comings. Oldies...don`t put my name on your quote untill you use the whole thing correctly....and though I hate to add to his load, I will ask pawtucket to intercede if you do not stop misquoting me immediatly.

You betcha, by all means use my name and the quote in it`s entirety...otherwise come up with your own gems of wisdom..... Using a partial quote for your own agenda is dishonest and DOES speak volumes about the type of ministry that we were in....but then again ...since you don`t see much of a problem with vp`s plagerism....I understand how the lines could be a bit blurry.

Flattered though I am that you would post something that I wrote...I would prefer if you are going to use my quote oldies that you used the whole thing, instead of halfing it and changing the meaning for your own agenda. That is just plain dishonest.....though why this would suprise me...I don`t know.

Hmmm I musta missed where Samual *shared the word* with us....WHAT word??? sigh reminds me of the good ole days.....folks being mean claiming they were doing the *word*

Yup I agree with Linda Z... I remember one time when VP answered the question *Why Craig?* ...n he said...My in depth spiritual percep...oops ..um the fruit manifested in his life lend me to....WRONG! No....what vpw SAID was the MAIN reason when asked was.... *I dunno other than ... Craig never asked how high....he just jumped when told* The epitome of a bu tt kisser imo....and vpw rewarding him because he liked it....certainly not the criteria one would deem necessary for leading a ministry

Thats it dmiller...the *show me in the original* is whipped out and brandished like a sword...in repeated attempts to discredit anyone who`s experiences contradict what he would have everyone believe twi was....I don`t believe for one miniute that Oldies cares what the truth is....it would appear that he is just looking to add more ammo to his arsenal to attack any who dare speak up.

Better to have the blind leading from hq than the blind from outside hq`sh?.. lol...They were all spiritually blind as bats....

Yeah, I remember when a guy teaching on stage at hq upset me when he was talking about a situation that had him down....and he said to himself the *You are carpes so and so...your life is not your own* your not allowed to wallow in pity* ...anyway...it bothered me to hear that once you were corpes...your life was technically not your own.

Yeah ... a lot of em were loving spiritual christians.....too bad about the founder and his hand picked leaders indulging in darkness you know....the those guys who were hiding their corruption and evil behind those of us with pure hearts and motives.....sigh

I absolutely strenuously object to you saying that Craig and rosie and howard were the *best* that vp had available...Gawd there were so many many individuals that manifested the fruit of the spirit in their lives.....So many many outstanding folks that were kind hearted ...truly cared for the believers that they would have had charge of....would have been a true leader by being the greatest servant.... I do not think that he could have POSSIBLY chosen anybody with less morals and character in Loy or howard...nor a bigger bully than rosy or auntie em....I do not imagine that he could have chosen ANYONE who could have grievously hurt so many...some betrayed to the point of death.... He certainly couldn`t have picked anybody who would have wittled down the ministries tens (hundreds?) of millions of dollars not to mention run off tens of thousands of productive followers....than the clowns that he placed in charge... It is quite laughable to think that he could have chosen any more poorly. So ...the big question...did they come to twi vile abusive and cruel...or did association with vp inspire them to embrase evil?

and I know that when My LC questioned what was going on...he was fired by Howard A...ok no biggie...but when ole unca H then told a lie to all of the tc`s in the state about why our leaders were leaving the state four months earlier than intended....that showed the true colors of the bot members. So yeah they took phone calls alright....It told em who was a threat..lol

Incompetant or corrupt...in EITHER case would you want to trust your spiritual health to his version of spirituality? Judging by the fruit in his life (as I might have hinted before that galations recomends as prudent;-) ...given the evidence, Id have to lean towards his actions as branding him corrupt.

I intend to arrive early friday ...scope stuff out...set up camp.... I intend on bringing breakfast stuff ...will try to plan better so as to avoid past years substitutions.....no chocolate biscuts nor sausage (pancake flour) gravey....oh and of course breakfast. It sounds like oak n sudo have friday night covered...I will bring hot dogs for lunch n maybe sketti fixins for dinner....maybe soup fixins...s far as herbal staying awake....hmmm I`ll believe THAT when I see it ....lol

Well I remeber vp himself saying that the ONLY proof of whether any given revelation was genuine or not was by the eventual outcome... I`d say judging from the outcome of his choices and judging by vp`s very own standard...his *spiritual discernment* abilities were sadly lacking. I don`t think the ministry could have failed any more spectacularlyt than it has....and thats saying alot with how many tens of thousands of us fought for prayed for it`s survival with everything we had to give.

So you think that there would have been what profit to these folks staying? It would have made what difference in the long run of the demise of twi if they had? Are you certain that is wasn`t God`s plan in action to remove these folks away from a false minister? In other words...do you think that folks from new york staying would have made any difference at all in the outcome of this ministry? Your staying with the ministry a little longer than the other new yorkers accomplished what? Are you saying that if we had stayed and supported Craig that everything would have turned out all right? How bout some clarification for the rest of us irrational folks eh?

Well...as far as in depth spiritual perception manifested by ol vp......boy how bout who he chose was to succede him eh? Nothing but sense knowledge there.... Do you honestly believe that ANY other person EVER affiliated with the whole way ministry could have run it into the ground ANY faster? His best Bud Howard was a real piece of work .... as was howards wife that was a terror to so many ... Rosalie was a beast to those under her...auntie em watched soaps every day...craig was to busy forcing his attentions on unwilling participants.... I`m telling you...by every standard of criteria vp taught us through the years to go by....his choices have revealed in blinding technicolor as to how spiritually astute and tuned into God he was.... It was a pity so many trusted his integrety and judgement and were hurt.

And if more of those 95% had stood with Craig a bit longer it would have accomplished what? Prolonged the misery of attempting to support a pseudo christian ministry? Good for you NY ers (and anyone) not continuing to supply the blood and nutrients to that massive bloated malignant tumor that was twi. I think tens of thousands of us have given that lunatic and those who fascilitated his reign of evil *one big collective finger* by no longer accepting the abuse and daring to stand up to the mog....in spite of the promised consequences of disobediance.

When my husband wouldn`t write his loyalty letter we were branded as trouble makers ....We still attended fellowship, but most folks were leary of us....I was so eager to appear normal and and not out in left field ....eager to prove that I wasn`t possessed or evil....that I never said anything depreciating about the ministry....matter of fact, I didn`t for the first couple of years of posting on these boards....for fear of confirming everyones suspiscions. It embarasses me to say that I attended fellowship right up untill the twig moved... (and refused to reveal the new location to us) I didn`t take anyone with me.

RV or no, I hope that you can make it krys...we will make room...The first year ... herbal and Tessa let the kids n I sleep on the furniture....there was plenty of room. I think that we can find a place for you....

(((((((((((((oen)))))))) we will most definatly miss you presence.

I`ll add my greetings as well, if I may Bob... Congratulations on the anniversary of your ministry! A ministry that was built on dishonesty...one who`s riches and property were amassed from extortion of your bretheren...bretheren tossed aside and defamed when their usefullness was exhausted...or they became a threat to the secret evil...a ministry that is contaminated by the pain and suffering of so many who were treated vilely...a ministry that is stained by the blood of those betrayed... By all means ...continue to enjoy the riches bought by the toil...the blood...the sweat ...the very lives of those whom you have used and forgotten.....

You guys are SO baaaaaaaad. Lol Do you suppose that even the waygb has to just bust out in a snicker when reading this stuff? I am SO suprised that those two women were cunning enough to bide their time and eventually sieze control from the likes of VP and his whole *women are here only to serve the mog crowd*. And as much as those two disgust me....it STILL tickles me to no end to think how offended ol vp`d be if he could but see the direction his beloved ministry from gawd had taken...given his opinions on women and their only supposed function of helpmeet...taking care of the man so he could serve the body better ... whole 2nd class citizen status........ Remember that the only reason he trusted that guy to lead him into the holy spirit was cause the fellow treated his wife so rudely...poor woman probably just wanted to know if she should fix him some dinner... Remeber the disrespect he treated his OWN wife with.... Think about it...out of all of the wonderfull genuinely spiritual people to chose from....from those educated...from all of the family members ...sons and grand sons...from all of the pig mog craig wannabees that there were to chose from...lol...100,000 plus folks who were impacted by pfal....lol I can think of no other senario that he would find MORE disturbing....lol his lifes work being run by...snort... not only WOMEN....lol...guffaw......but (alledgedly) GAY women ROFLMAO!!!!! (no offense to women of said persuasion intended) Talk about your poetic justice....it`d be really funny if so many hadn`t been hurt.

Did you get your refund? What jerks.