rascal

Yeah and cool waters...guess what? As big a cynic as I am... I gotta tell this story... I am an asthmatic...and realised half way out of the gorge I was without my inhaler, and in danger of having a serious attack before reaching the end of the trail....my lungs were closing pretty fast...was getting a bit nervous....n mike grabs me n starts prayin...n oak is there too...dunno who else...several...was starting to get black...now mind you...I have very little confidence in healing prayer....lol...didn matter...cause MIKE n others did... n guess what? the spasms stopped...inside of two miniutes I was able to walk and breath!!!! Lol...I kept thinkin...I just don`t BELIEVE this...lol ...I mean I almost bristled when mike did it....lol see thats the thing about weinie roasts be you christian or agnostic...cynic or not...apreciative of twi or angry ....... it just doesn`t matter...I think that it`s something that you gotta be there to *get* Thanks guys...it was a privelege as always....

Oh n Sudo you left the cord to your roaster ...I have it if you can tell me how to return it... One of the best thing about being the last to leave is.....you get to take home the leftovers ..I am still enjoying the remnants of stew :-) yummie!

Oh n Bow...way too belated..I am sorry...Thankyou...thankyou for your kind words regarding myself, my family, and my home...If you are not carefull...you just might cast some doubt upon the accusations of my full of crap, rage filled...obsesively focused on sin ...never thankfull, ever obnoxious, lying, heathen self;-)

Maybe song...but no matter HOW impressive his home is...nor HOW good the coffee served...It would be neither desirable nor enjoyable no matter the quality....if he insisted on calling me a liar and accuse me of being full of crap...attempting to discredit my every thought and experience... Being a good host requires treating visitors with graciousness and would behoove one to treat their company with respect....I don`t see that happening.

Lol...so much to write...so little time....I have to say.... to hawk: Ya SEES what happens when we try to have a roast without ya doncha???? Nobody can make a decent campfire or prepare a meal without your cast iron utensils .. Entertainment was subdddued without the pear juice and the biscuts and gravey were sadly lacking without your homemade sausage....the kids missed corey ... As for your injuries...Gosh I am sorry that you were hurt...I hope that you are feeling better...I gotta say though, I am not sure...but, I think that the weinie roast mightta been a little safer. To Mike: our benevolent dictator...another outstanding weinie roast ...I thank you...the park is some of the most beautiful country that I have ever seen...the fall colors reflected in the glassy lake at dawn with the mists swirling round....the spectacular chasms and waterfall...the deer walking at ease through the campsight...the squrrels eating from our hands...the raccoons begging at the porch (did you know that they don`t like maters?)...the crickets at night around the campfire....Another unmitigated success...I thank you for your efforts to keep us on track and your persistance to overcome the obsticals...pick a spot and they WILL come eh?...lol I am awully glad that you brought Cam...I think that the teenagers are having even more fun than the adults...and have their own anual mini weinie roast thing goin....it isn`t just about the adults...is it? to Tom: So wonderfull to see you again...absolutely fabulous sausage and peppers...Mark thanks you for the left overs and is greatfull that SOMEONE thought about him...lol...Thanks for providing the coffee....the bottomless pot....we would have been sharing my meager supply 0of instant otherwise....lol Your encouragement ...your comfort was deeply apreciated...conscerning my presence and imput. My deepest thanks..my hopes that you will bring reikilady with you next year. to ahat: so wonderfull to see you...and catch up...what vibrance your presence brings...and thank GOD for your spacious van to transport the weary hikers ...my kids were so apreciative of the grapes n nanners... I hope nobody ELSE wanted any ...as my crew devoured them ravenously:-) Many thanks for hustling around and feeding us when we arrived 24 hours late and starving because we had been sitting on the side of the road all morning with a broken fan belt...I was in tears I was so stressed and hungry ...but you rounded up the troops...loved us up and fed us..I was so gratefull...felt so loved and cared for...like someone lifted a huge burden....I felt safe...kids say thanks for the *coney* to Sudo: lol...The stew was FABULOUS once again...I was so gratefull when I rolled in ravenously hungry to have a bowl set in front of me...as usual you were the life of the party....there is never a point where you don`t have us laughing...Poor fellow...getting your messages a day late and showing up for breakfast before anyone was up...lol I hope that it was worth waiting for....I hope as well that your dear family will consider joining us next year...I am here to say...though not quite in hawks league;-) you make a mighty mean fire with your blow drier! to wwjla: What a delightfull pleasure to meet (AND corrupt your innocence muahahaha) you...What a peacefull ...comforting soul you are...balanced and kind...boundless patience. You are a living breathing example to the fact that not ALL grease spotters (or weinie roasters) are hardened anti ministry cynics;-) My children adored you.. your ever present patience with such a rambunctious crew was amazing...I was so afraid that they would drive you (and everybody else for that matter) nuts with their antics...but you never treated them like they were obnoxious brats or glared at me for bringing this destructive force to our peace....thankyou... and thankyou for their gifts...you dear lady, are welcome to burn pop corn at our campfire anytime...((((big hug))) Bow...I hope that you and the princess are well...you were sorely missed...zoreta carried the princesses shoes that she wanted to return for half a day .... I am so sorry that yo missed this year ...I know that one of you must have been seriously ill for you to miss...seeing as how you didn`t let a life threatening car wreck stop you last year...please check in when you can as we are conscerned. ttessa...one of the original...you and zena were truly missed this year.... Shellon...Jard....oen...paw...your missing presense was felt...my hopes that we will get to see you folks next year... Maybe... we will just have to arrainge an *unoficial* roast in the spring... More thoughts to follow....

Folks trusted twi with the remains of their loved ones....trusted that they would be able to visit on a yearly basis (roa) ...most of us moved around so much for ministry requirements...we had no place permanent to leave our precious ones.... Twi has betrayed our trust ...I honestly wonder if they are not just so mad at us for leaving, that they simply enjoy hurting us by witholding that which we want so badly... What about that verse about not withholding *good* when it is in your power to give to someone? You know if we won`t toe the line...we cannot buy ministry materials...take ministry classes ...taalk with or visit family members and friends still in...have access to the grounds and fascillities that we built with our labor and money...and while most of us can live without these things....the one way that they can still really hurt ...really twist the buried knife in our guts...is to deny us access to the sight of our loved one remains... IMO ... the whole sign in/permission thing is an insult...yet another way for twi to retain power over someone...of making them jump through hoops at their leisure....it is what they have always loved....CONTROL! It is insulting and demeaning.... The rest of the world sees it for what it REALLY is ... simple malicious cruelty. P.S. Have you ever thought about the fact that while telling us that allowing them to sprinkle our loved ones ashes in the woods was a *good* thing....what is it that they did they do for themselves...the *important* folks? Why they are buried with full honors in manicured plots with a special fountain designed .... special ligting ...makes you wonder if ANY of the big shots or their family members were mixed with the folks in the woods? Wonder if it was such a great idea ...why wasn`t it good enough for the rest of em?

Thank you Word wolf.

Well...we weren`t mindless drones...we simply refused to write our *loyalty oath* letter. We still went to functions....but were basically ignored by twi and the believers when it became clear that we would not be bullied into toeing the line.... At one point our lcs were fired and they were our best friends.....even knowing how dirty the bot ...ha in particular had visciously treated these loooong standing folks.....we were still the sold out doulos types...and stuck with the ministry... So I`d have to say...no we were not mindless drones to LEAVE the ministry with friends and limbs.....I`d have to say our tenacuty to STAY with the ministry no matter what, branded us as mindless drones.... And though I was as enthusiastic a supporter as ever....it was the ministry who no longer desired our presence when we wouldn`t obey the edict....obediance was required...no matter how supportive you were of the ministry ..it`s beliefs ...etc ...you were not wanted...that is probably the only reason I STILL am not involved....lol I was a koolade drinker to the core.

Rascal and tribe are back....too much fun...but does anybody know what happened to bow n the princess? Bow check in ... would ja?

Yes Krys...many private schools are excellent, and I would consider ...charter school as ww mentioned above are great... It is difficult when one has several children to afford tuition. I agree though, If you can afford it...Go for it!

Absolutely Daddy H ... I have friends who homeschool one child but allow the other to attend public school for the speech therapy. It is all according to the needs of the child.

Loading kids...leaving at 5 am ...(decided to get some sleep) I am SO excited! Thanks all of you well wishers...gonna make a great breakfast for those folks. So cool!

What do you mean song? Would oldies be nicer in person at his house? Would he be to polite to call me and others liars to our face like he does here?

I am late as well ...rv troubles....should be resolved soon....will be arriving very late tonight....sigh

Naw...I like to focus on folks like you who don`t care what price was paid by our brothers and sisters in Christ...while they were recieving their *blessing* Folks that want to pretend that what happened really wasn`t so bad cause they feel like they got some *good* out of it. I don`t think that God was behind a group or leader that visciously hurt and destroyed some while *blessing* others...I think that you/we are the victims of a false minister....and false teachings. Damn right I am focusing on the FRUIT he manifested as the scripture recomends us do...Fruit fellah, FRUIT ... I am focused on the fruit of a man of the flesh.

You accept THAT as critisism? Shoot what I posted explains a whole lot about you oldies...it explains why it is so important for you to defend vp .... It explains why you have so little empathy for those betrayed. It explains why you must make any who dare expose vp`s ugliness look bad... It explains why your *happy* experience was not what the rest of us endured....and why your *happy* time and the *good* you recieved has little bearing on the evil practiced by twi leaders on the believers. Oh, and an upcoming weinie roast is no excuse to ignore you oldies..... you upped the anti fella.

Whatcha think oldies? Do you think that maybe your view of twi is a little bit slanted because you were rubbing elbows with the bot? Is that the reason that their crimes don`t seem so heinous to you? Would in condemning the founder and bot for their crimes you have to condemn those close to you? Is that why you are so insensitive to the suffering of those victimized by the leadership of twi?

Possibly......*some* experiences were better with the bot because *some* people had family members that worked for said bot. *Some* peoples family members were familiar with the inner workings of the bot and were thus garnered much better treatment for themselves and their families than the average believer. I wonder if *some* people are not as supportive of twi any longer because their *friends* no longer are in power....and cannot buy them immunity and so......twi just isn`t quite as much *fun* any more.... When *some* are treated better by the bot because of the favors granted family members ..I do not think that is a fair assesment of how MOST others with no family connections buying them a smoother ride.

Selah...I rarely post in this section but your words haunt me. I understand how frightening these trials can be...physical stuff is terrifying. I concur with the others...bad stuff happens...there is not much we can do to be *good enough* or *sharp enough* to prevent much of this....twi did us a great disservice there...teaching us that it was the fault of our believing or our lack of spiritual sharpness that left the door open...somehow it is our fault that we are suffering....this is not true... The only thing that I have found of comfort during these trials is to look to God to fill my heart with the peace that comes from knowing that no matter how heavy the burdens have become....that there will be a way provided to turn it to the good. Please don`t blame yourself...or God ..you are going to have to endure this hardship and those to come..whatever your state of mind or belief.....trust me...it will just be so much easier to bear untill it`s resolution when you feel God`s presence at your side. I have had my trials....I did everything I KNEW from what I had been taught to be in the center of God`s will and thus *safe* and disaster still befell me...and even in my frustration and pain when I gave God the finger literally and said f-ck you ..I don`t believe that you exist...and IF perchance you DO ...then just stay the hell away from me cause you aren`t doin me any dam- good anyway.......Even when I turned away ... he never gave up on me...sent people to me from the most unlikely sources to bring his message of love and trust...I even had someone call that knew very little about me from another part of the country n tell me that God told him to call...and I told him to tell God screw you...and he laughed and said he`d be there the next day....lol In hindsight, I realise that it was the times that I was suffering the most that I have seen God work the most powerfully to ease the pain and deliver me from the darkness and fear swirling around causing confusion and blocking my way to light. I didn`t even have to ask...please do not give up on yourself and God. Cathy

Good thinking on the cd`s .... looks like I will be bringing the tribe and possible guest spouse...(does that sound like I don`t have a real spouse...just a guest?) I won`t know untill I am pulling out of the driveway and I look to see if he is in the camper or not... I intend on bringing the lap top and a camera....maybe we can log in and post pictures.

OMG Uncle Hairy...I`m going to do THAT one in calligraphy and hang it on the wall!! Wow where were YOU when we were trying to come up with logos for the billboard that was rented a couple of years back right outside of hq....now THAT would have had impact....rofl You oughtta let us put it in card form to send to all of the wafers kindda like the bot used to send to us...lmao

Nice job of bringing things back on track word wolf...thanks. Inept or corrupt? The fruit in vp`s life lends weight to the argument for the latter...Could be a combination of both though.

No rage here ... you apparently are mistaken ...go figure

Use the entire quote or desist immediatly. I think that saying that vp did the best he could with what he had is laughable...there were so many qualified individuals that wouldn`t have gloried in hurting and destroying folks....but then again...vp never DID care much about the people did he?...it was always the *word* It`s kind of funny now, seems like the bible was given to folks as a guide in how to *Love God and Love your neighbor* least that was what Jesus said.... VP taught folks how to utilise those same scriptures as a tool to hurt and destroy folks....hmmm Nice distraction though...since you apparently cannot answere the question of incompetance or corruption..being the source of vp`s poor choices..

Yeah ex...your accounts mean nothing. Pretty unrealistic to expect vp`s kids to come on line and say * Oh yeah my Dad was a lying sack of scum* just to prove some point to you oldies.