rascal

Thank you folks...Thank you each of you...who have been praying...all of you who took the time to post your words of comfort...I humbely thank you all for your concern exhibited. Ex thankyou for caring enough to start this thread....The support given and the respect shown by you folks to my friend was truly sustaining during these bleak days of self recrimination and shame...Nobody really understands out here...you know, it`s just a horse...a farm animal...get over it. My apreciation for the respect shown .... Bow n Sudo, thanks for posting her picture....somehow, it made her seem important. I thank each one of you for the love and comfort of your words...it has made a differance.

Thats not what galations says Oldies... Galations says look at the fruit in his life...and it will tell you whether or not he was a man of the spirit. If he is a man of the flesh, you dare not trust ANY of what he wrote/taught, because you never know when he was of the flesh or of the spirit... I DO know what galations says of a man of the flesh however, .....one who manifested wierwilles fruits...it says that they *have no inheritance in the kingdome of God*. PERIOD! Why is galations there buddy? It`s to warn us of false bretheren...you know...the ones who are able to talk the talk SO good, that you cannot tell what is truly on the inside....heck, I`ll even go so far as to say that wierwille even believed that he was entitled.....It is an invaluable tool given in order to avoid being decieved..... Had wierwille been a man of the spirit...I`m telling you.....those things would have held no appeal for him....he would have had no oportunity with resisting the temptations....but his actions...the behaviors he himself succumbed to, tell exactly what his inner being was.....he was simply adept at making it appear acceptable when caught. Think about it....wierwille was the one who TAUGHT you not to examine ones fruit...mislabled it as *thinking evil* silenced us against evil by mislabeling it *lock box*....silenced that voice of God by labeling the disquiet as *senses* Can you not see that those practicing evil didn`t WANT us aware of our responsibility? I am sorry...for you to excuse and deny the reality will forever condemn you to live in the darkness of his false doctrine.

Another false accusation *dwelling on evil* ... Lol.. galations calls it discernment by fruit. If you inspect the fruit in wierwilles life ...(as God told us to do)... It becomes clear that his life as a man of the flesh disqualified him as a minister .... made it impossible to truly obtain and understand things of the spirit. Had he....he never would have *enjoyed* the fruits of darkness that he habitually endulged himself with. It is a mistake to trust a man of the flesh and put credence in his interprtations...he will lead you into darkness as well. You eshew following MY example...pretty funny when you look at the life and actions of the man who`s example you DO choose to follow... Rascal vs a lying plagerising drunken adulterous fornicating soul destroying mean tempered sob .... Your loss friend.

Yucky ..

Keep your apology Oldies...it would mean nothing coming from you... You are not a man of decency. As for me, I have nothing to apologise for....as I have done absolutely nothing dishonest on these boards..ever! This is but one more thread in your long posting history of falsley stating peoples positions...of accusing them of lying...of setting up straw men... Problem is....most folks are on to you now ... we understand why you must believe that what wierwille did was good...we know that when folks didn`t MIND what the spiritually *mature* did...that the folks were treated much better who were *enlightened* ... ...that made it all alright... Do you think that the REASON we don`t apreciate or excuse wierwilles sex club...his meanness...drunkeness....his lying.... his misapropriation of our money...our sisters.. ...his adultery ...his plagerism...is because we aren`t *spiritual* enough to understand and enjoy our freedomes in Christ yet? Thats what folks were told who didn`t agree and excuse the evil.

Oldies...word wolf pulled up one thread...it was one of several...you called me and others liars ion the abortion thread...you called those who posted on the on the child abuse thread liars as well...I remember you calling the women that were sexually abused by wierwill liars as well on a thread when you arrived here years ago....standard mo...untill enough witnesses rub your nose in the facts....and then you switch gears and try to excuse the evil actions that at one time you denied ever existing in the first place... Now you are calling us liars for saying that you called us liars....everyone has seen you do it oldies....your credibility goes even further down the toilet with your silly little semantics games... How bout this....apologise for being mistaken in your assumptions about the abuse that was endured........show a little compassion for your bretheren that were despitefully used....recognise and place the evil squarely on the shoulders of those who indulged and perpetrated the abuse instead of trying to fault those assaulted....n you might draw a whole lot less fire. Not that I think you would do it...that would be the noble thing. I think you simply like hurting folks.

Shoot johniam, nobody is trying to shame you or anybody else....There are many of us who DO feel shame however, for our foolishness once we realise the pain and hurt we have caused by adherance to the false doctrines. Many of us DO feel guilty for our behaviors that we indulged in while involved in twi...it`s all a part of the recognition of cleverly disguised evil, and cleansing ourselves.... Think for a miniute guys.....if you were TAUGHT by a man of the flesh....if you BELIEVE what a man of the flesh did was alright because you THINK that you might have learned something usefull....if folks that speak the truth anger you unreasonably... ...if you are seeing and accusing folks of conspiracies that aren`t there....calling those that speak the truth liars...thenconsider please...that YOU sir/ma`am, might possibly be of the flesh as well. Examine yourselves...honsestly see where trusting this man of the flesh and holding on to his perception of truth has gotten you.

Thankyou ww...

It is chilling to see where adherance to this man and his doctrines eventually leads one.

Notice a pattern do you ww?

Thanks Wolf.... You called me a liar oldies...on more than one occasion...and you did others as well...even after there was cooberating testimoney. It is not to your credit ...that you have to accuse so many of lying in order for you to be able to maintain and defend your posistion. Getting back to the topic at hand...I don`t think that one CAN get back on track spiritually without renouncing twi and the teachings of a man of the flesh.... As he was a wolf in sheeps clothing...that is, he was a predator that DISGUISED himself as one of the flock in order to get close enough to devour some of us....EVERYTHING he taught must be reexamined...it is the only spiritual;ly healthy choice....else you spend the rest of your life stumbling in the darkness of the teachings of a false minister. Again it doesn`t hurt me....but when you try to portray true accounts as lies in order to maintain the facade of respectability...you are crossing the line and making it our business.

You sure did Oldies...and you ALSO said that I was full of crap too....though not quite the words y-o-u-a-r-e-a-l-i-a-r...it amounts to the same thing when refering to what I related.

Yup!

You have unjustly called me a liar oldies...you have accused others of lying as well.

WTH ...I guess that we just haven`t ever been on the same page....you not *getting it* does not negate the importance....sorry... The fruit in that *dead* man`s life brands him and his ministry...and indicates directly the amount of credence or respect his *works* or ministry is due....damn right we are focusing on the results...sorry if this makes you uncomfortable....but there is not a thing wrong with us examining the fruit in order to judge the reliability of ythe man.... galations exhorts us to do so...and the likes of you or oldies niether one are going to get us to ignore the instructions given regarding a man such as wierwille. His *works* are no more to be trusted than he was.

No doubt you think so....and it is your perogative....I do not expect to change your mind. It becomes our business however, when you misstate others positions.......when you find it necessaary to assault others character and try to cast doubt on our credibility in order to make it appear that your perspective has merit. I will consider your view point when you can make observations that don`t require everyone else to be liars in order for your pov to stand up under scrutiny. .

Oldies, I am sorry that you are unable to see past the falseness of what you were taught...this does not make it any less false. I am sorry that you might spend the rest of your life trying to live within the confines of a lie.

I do not think that you can use proverbs as an excuse to dismiss the clear instructions and warnings given in galations. A man of wierwilles character was clearly not to be trusted... I am sorry that you have based your spiritual understanding on a false prophets teachings... I am sorry that you are going to have to begin all over again if you truly wish to understand. It is a difficult but necessary process to get rid of the false teaching....and though what we were taught had a nugget of two of truth...our understanding has been so corrupted by the false teacher...by the leaven....as to become virtually useless. It is a very hard thing to do...it takes honesty meekness....and guts...it takes admitting that we were decieved... I really feel bad for anyone who feels like twi was the end all be all ministry for truth....simply because it has been revealed to be nothing but a pathetic substitute...and untill one sees it as such....you will be completely unable to replace the falseness .........you will forever be stuck trying to make a broken system function...forever accepting the blame for the failings.

Thank you friends....I read your compassionate posts repeatedly through the weekend and apreciated your concern......that you guys could love and pray for us when you all have grevious concerns of your own shows what outstandingly kind people you all are..... This has been a blow...though I have many animal friends....I have to say that as silly as this sounds....she was my best friend...human or animal.... To have inadvertantly caused her death is just awfull... I have difficulty remembering the pain that I insisted that she endure at the vets hands as he fought to save her life.... The very worst part is ...that last morning at the vet....she weakly staggered to her feet and nickered when she heard me drive up.... I took her out of the stall for yet more torturous treatment....she staggered over to our trailer and pawed at it...clearly asking me to take her home....away from the suffering ...and I didn`t...I let the vet talk me into letting him try for one more day......I wanted to stay but husband needed me to finish a job in huntsville...... I was called and told that she had a heart attack shortly afterward.... My grief isn`t just that I gave her the feed that killed her....but also that I let the vet hurt her...I feel so bad that I didn`t bring her home...like she asked... I hope that I will see her again someday so that I can tell her how truly sorry I am to have betrayed her trust and caused so much suffering.

The teachings in twi were tainted by the teachers lack of spirituality and integrety....they are not to be trusted as a true representative of God or scripture.... Galations recomends we examine the fruit to determine if a man is of the spirit...and only then is he to be trusted. I do not believe that a man of the flesh as wierwille was proven to be....could be trusted to accuratly represent the things of the spirit...I do not believe that he could accuratly recieve revelation from God as a man of the flesh..... Truky, it would behoove us to honestly reexamine ANY teaching or *truth* recieved in twi from a proven man of the flesh....or teachers who learned from a man of the flesh. So yeah I think dumping twi teachings and starting over fresh is a smart idea....God`s word warns us of being taken in by wolves in sheeps clothing.....I do not think it is wise to trust the wolves on any account....or to be gratefull for them....thankfull to them that you weren`t the one devoured......that is a far cry from *renouncing the word*

Ok...so the source of the mysterious rashes from hell have been diagnosed.... Aparently, according to the dr. some poison oak was thrown on the campfire....(Cam any viney leafy things on logs that DON`T look like ivey, are suspect buddy :-).. Anyways...the smoke of course got in their faces...on their arms as they roasted marshmellows and hot dogs....in their mouths from EATING said hot dogs...anything they touch within the first 30 miniutes of contact is then exposed....whew...you get the picture.... I found out that it can take up to a week for the symptoms to show...the GOOD news is...it cannot be spread... Daughters eyes are beginning to unswell tonight so that she can see... little aaron...poor guy doesn`t want me to tell where HIS swelling has finally gone down...owey...everyone is feeling a little better...we found out that tea tree oil works wonders.. Thanks for your prayers and well wishes.... Mental note....Bring OWN wood for campfire at the next weinie roast.

well it becomes ugly when the man who enjoyed his purchased drink of water unmolested...accused the woman who had been beaten and raped of lying....also when he accused the other people who stopped at the well to purchase life giving water who were robbed in one form or another of exagerating and lying....it would be dispicable to minimalise the mans sins by attempted assisination of the victims characters, simply because one enjoyed the drink of water purchased from a stolen well.

Ohhh but Steve and Uncle Hairy....you creeps are focusing on the sin in that mans life....rather than the good he did...I mean after all...he SOLD you the water you wanted.... I think that you both must be filled with rage....and that woman should darn well be thankfull and get over it, if she got her drink of water....n ....she`d darn well better keep her mouth shut or else she will be considered a whiner and perpetual victim....she will probably exagerate her suffering as well..as victims are prone to do.... Ithink you arae both full of cr-p

Ok ok ...all of you waygb types n rascal haters...sigh....time to laugh and gloat....rascal is getting her just deserts and comeupance ...a punishment...for defying twi traditions...sigh. Some of my kids have come down with a viscious rash and it is spreading like wildfire to the others......my guess is one of the boys threw some poison ivey or oak on the campfire....auuuuugh Lol...good thing the weinie roast is worth all of this.... Going to the doctor this morning to find the best way to treat an army of children.....prayers and well wishes apreciated.....sigh Hope nobody else is suffering.

Awww poor ((((Annie)))) Gosh thanks for checkin in bow, I am so glad that you guys are home and safe... I never thought I`d say be thankfull for being sick...but if you hadn`t delayed a day because of feeling punk...you`d a been stuck deep in the mountains with a very sick little girl...I am glad that you were where annie could get treatment. Your presence was missed.....we will reserve a log for you round the next campfire for sure. Abby had a bug bite or allergic reaction to something over the weekend and awoke monday am with severe itchy rash and swollen face... miserable... that was scarey enough to deal with while camping.... There wouldn`t have even been a store to buy pain reliever not to mention a physician within an hours drive ...had you needed to deal with that ear infection at the campout. Give annie a hug and tell her that there will be many weinie roasts to come....and we will see her then. ...though as much trouble as you guys seem to have the week prior to preparing for one...I am concerned that this may be a dangerous thing....lol...maybe we need to change the name or something...