rascal

Thankyou HCW.

OK Satory, so how do we keep from falling into the same stupid traps from the outside manipulators?? I think that I understand, there is a poster or two that will not allow me to post unchallenged, I am called a liar, nuts, whatever, sometimes if the thread is important enough, I have to refrain from defending myself, or just stay off sltogether in order to just to keep the flow going ....or else it degenerates into rascal vs twi defenders....it is the only way I know of to keep from being manipulated....I welcom any thoughts.

I added to what I posted to try to clarify. The distraction has occurred, focus has been diverted, information has been lost. Someone elses pupose has been served....regardless of your/our point.

I added to what I wrote to try to clarify satori. I don

You say hcw needs to acknowledge culpability, it would be my opinion that you are as incapable of acknowledging your own. Sometimes you have to ignore what those folks are trying to *create* even when you are right, as their purpose is served when things disintigrate into forum war. There are some master manipulators here for sure.....but imo, when we respond to their ploys...when they create a fight....the information is lost and they WIN!

When you are percieved as an antagonistic bully, your pov is lost. I think that in your zeal, you may have inadvertantly cost this thread the bigger picture. Yes, there is culpabiliy, but establishing it at the cost at this time is destructive....you have accomplished nothing, but shut down the lines of communication.

Your point is well taken Satori, (I don`t want to fight with you, you can think circles around me) but if the messenger of the story of your demise feels under attack or is too busy feeling the need to defend himself,and or argue his pov....the story gets lost..... I would rather see the messenger welcomed and made to feel comfortable, rather than feeling under attack. The guy is trying to tell a very difficult story, he is trying to tell about a woman who placed her faith and trust in an organization, who was hurt, and then cast out when she was persieved as a burden. A life tossed away, that is the big picture....but it can`t be told because you are so busy trying to make hcw see culpabiliy....there is plenty to go around.... He is not ready for that, you are not going to make him see that.....in your effort to be *right* the tragic story degenerated into forum wars, and in the end.....the *truth* has once again been lost..... Neither your purpose nor his has been served, and something important was lost, that, imo is the bigger picture.

Not that I expect you to accept my opinion Satori, but I think that whether your point is right or wrong you are missing the bigger picture in this instance.

I feel so bad for her.

I hear what you are saying ex. I like and have learned from so many here....so many have had a part in the healing process........It was suprising to find that a poster once found enormously annoying, I later found out was a big part of someone elses healing..... I hate seeing folks fight.

Nothing to LOSE???? Gosh thats what I thought about twi the first time I checked it out....I was mistaken, don`t think I will be lured back into the snare no matter HOW juicey the lure appears to be.

Yeah oldies, why don`t YOU go and check it out....you can come back and tell us how speeeecial it all was....if it`s reeeeeally all better now..... Ok?

Jim Jones, David koresch and others...they used the very SAME bait and lure oldies. The only difference between us n them is that unfortunatly, those poor folks didn`t escape the snare.

.....the bait to lure and capture HAS to be irrisistably appealing to the intended prey, as well as absorbing and distracting in order for the snare to remain hidden. The danger is always disguised.

In spite of your preception .... the strings were being attatched oldies slowly but surely, they were simply a little too subtle for us to catch on.... Thats how snares work.....

There has NEVER been a scenario in twi that didn`t have *strings attatched* Oldies.....that isn`t about to change now.

Only for a price oldies, only for a price.

Not like I wish I would have.... I WISH I had taken a ball bat to the venomous, lying, destructiv, cruel pieces of sh!t who so thoroughly enjoyed destroying peoples self worth. Instead, sigh....I meekly accepted the face melting....assuming that it was Godly reproof that I was just to stupid and unspiritual to understand.....didn1t ever want to be declare *stiff necked* along with all of my ither failings.

Oh and then there is the thrill of spending all of our thanksgivings at the specials!!!

Oh boy, as we will once again be in good standing .....we will enjoy the privelege of being permitted to attend all of those special classes!!!! Oh boy hours of sitting on folding chairs!! Maybe we will be deemed spiritual enough to set up and STRING all of those chairs and set up all of those classes! hmmmm whatta ya wanna bet they will want to use our homes and cool stuff that we have been able to purchase once their hands were removed from our wallets.....we will be the only ones able to afford the privelege of *blessing* folks with refreshments.... We can hear all of our old favs....pfal...er um....renewedmi...no well there is always the excitment of sitting through all of those new classes from craig.....if were lucky....maybe someone will let us watch their copy of aos!!!!! be still my trembling heart....

Our leaders are required to use mouthwash before any and all facemeltin er confrontations.....further more they are required to keep a minimum of 6 inches distance between your face and theirs during any necessary confronta er bellowing ummm reproof sessions. My life just hasn`t been the same without being permitted to enjoy THAT special little display of love.

Lol...I am excited........ I want to hear all of that great way prod music....oh yeah, they got rid of the talented artists a long time ago.........oh welltheres always the thrill of seeing all of my old friends at the roa....oops that is cancelled too....geee won`t it be FUN to visit some of the beautifull old campuses once agai....errr...ummm those are sold off....hmmmmm well won`t hearing those great tallented teaches share the wog....oops they were all thrown out years ago..... Uhhh...now ummmm just what IS it that we are returning to that isn`t *so bad* again??

*Isn`t so bad NOW* .... lol that sure is a far cry from actually being good or fun, spiritually uplifting.... Godly .... possibly beneficial....so amny adjectives that could have been used to describe a group that I associate myself with.......lmao...it`s not SOOOO bad anymore....man I can`t wait to go back.

Snort ... like YOU haven`t shamelessly been using hcw`s story in this thread as a spring board into your OWN favorite rehtoric oldies? What a hippocrit (sp?) You have your own whole thread custom made specifically JUST for you to cast blame on the victims and mitigate and or hide twi`s evil treatment of people.....that isn`t enough?

That is AWFULL Catcup, damn em. No worry about you...no concern about your well being ...simply, is it gonna cost em any thing? and will it prevent you from being usefull in manual labor....SHEESHE what a way to treat folks.