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Hey psalmie, now we can visit, I am only a couple of hours away in Tenn.

No problem, I wondered where they had gone....

Sorry Mike, the first bite of maggot infested fruit was enough for this gal. Galen, agreed, I think that is the whole key behind being instructed to look at the fruit in order to find out what is *of the flesh* and what is *of the spirit*. It makes it very easy to determine where to place our trust. It is so beautifully simple.

Mike, The scriptures tell us that *by their fruits shall you know them* The fruit manifested tells the whole story if we will but look. I have yet to visit/participate in a church that nanifested the evil fruit twi did. We mistrust church because a ministry that manifested great evil and perpetrate dgreat harm on believers TOLD us to.....hmmmmm Maybe it would behoove us to give other Christian ministries a fair look, rather than trying to make fruit in twi proven to be putrid, appear to be platible.

Well, I have yet to attend a church ...even with their supposed gross lack of *word* that has hurt people the way twi has.....I have my doubts as to whether they (the churches) are really as spiritually *dark* as we were led to believe..... Supposedly knowing *the word* did little to prevent great evil from being embraced and practiced in twi. *Fruit* would indicate that the churches that I attend have much more on the ball spiritually than twi ever did, leading me to believe that the *word* taught in twi, despite their claims, may not have been authentic. Arrogance learned in twi can be what that keeps us from enjoying meaningfull fellowship with our spiritual bretheren post twi. I agree with ex 10, there are many outstanding examples of spirit filled christian ministries ....

Probably more classes than twi is currently running lol...they are probably jealous.

Thanks scout, every word of your post rings so true for me. It DOES feel like there is something *horribly wrong with me*...I agonize over WHAT I could have possibly done to have placed myself in the cross hairs so to speak? How could I have tried so hard, and failed so abysmally. I too have been honest and kind, unwilling to participate in the back biting and tatteling. It was indeed seen as weakness. Apparently because I am unwilling to squeal er I mean offer proper *feed back* to my boss concerning my fellow employees, and their conduct (in other words, I would only say nice things) , it was therefor concluded that I would not give it, because I must be unable to accept feed back myself....huh? My job preformance has been excellent, my attendance has been perfect, I have never been late.....the only thing that can prevent me from being permanantly hired on after 90 days (which was up this week) is this safety stuff. It is so dissapointing to have been mispresented as this bungeling boob that is so damn careless I am a danger to myself, my coworkers and the plant in general.....sigh Ya wonder how I could have managed to keep myself alive all of this time and raise children for 16 years without any loss of life or major destruction if I am so liable to cause death and mayhem in the blink of an eye....my gosh, you wonder if the streets of our city are safe to walk in knowing that I might inadvertantly cause catastrophy at any turn. I could go on and on, sorry about hijacking your thread vickles, I really REALLY identify with your dilemma, at least your boss sees through the lies.

Nope JT, she wasn`t young, they had a 6 yr old daughter. I however WAS....and was just crushed to be run out of town with the big *P* label..... Speaking of *spriritual* decisions lol....in HER (the bc`s wife) opinion someone had to have blown it some WHERE ...dropped the ball spiritually.... because SHE had quite specifically told God that SHE expected to be sent to Ca. on their int year. Someone (in her opinion) had quite definatly screwed up, and missed the boat by not listening to the revelation concerning where she was REEEEALLY supposed to be sent......poor gal

Ala, your story reminds me of my *downfall* in a way home in ND. I lived with the bc, (int fam corpes), and whenvere a family member had to get up early, if she heard the alarm go off....a lot of times, she would *bless* said member with a cup of coffee.....just to help em get up n around....we LOVED it....and soon it became sop (standard operating procedure) for anyone who was up to carry a cup into their bro or sis first thing in the am....if they were struggling. Well, the following year the new bc`s (also interim fam corpes) had moved into the house....and one morning, I heard the snooze hit several times in their room, it was a married couple, n I didn`t even KNOW who needed to be up, but seeing as I was already up and had a pot of coffee made, I grabbed a cup set it outside the bedroom door n knocked n told em their was a cup waiting outside the door...and left.....didn`t even think about it....like I said it had been sop the year before.... OMG! Did the sh!t hit the fan....The wife decided that I was after her *man*.....the fangs were bared and the claws unsheathed....... I was mortified. It was only a matter of time of course before I was labled posessed and driven out of my own house without even the chance to pack my bible (a cambridge which she promtly gave to away). Not funny, but certainly a misunderstanding over attempting to *bless* someone with a beverage.

Nope ex, unfortunatly not. My honesty has done no good.....as my boss now sees me as having a good *heart* I am a bumbeling fool that tries hard but an unacceptable danger to myself and others.......none of the rest of the employees are supposed to know what is disgussed in our job preformance meetings. The *safety issues* are all situations that my trainers themselves told me to do....(there are different ones every nigh) only to have another trainer walk by and start fussing over how unsafe the action I am doing is....the boss always hears how unsafe I was...but never that it was my trainer who told me to DO it that way..... Sometimes it has been a situation of being poorly trained and then moved to several different jobs in several weeks, all with multiple steps and procedures, all different, and then returning to a job after three or four weeks and missing or switching a step out of 50 during the cleaning procedure ....then they say ...*see..SEE????? I TOLD her how to do this and she doesn`t follow instructions...that COULD be a safety issue, maybe it will be a vital thing forgotten,reversed the NEXT time* ..... When one tries to say something to my defense....it has been twisted and taken out of context and made to look bad....It doesn`t matter the boss trusts this persons pov. I am completely at a loss as to how I could have tried so hard and be so maligned.

Gosh vickles, if you figure it out....PLEASE let me know. I landed my dream job a few months ago, and was told that if I was diligent in my work, was not late, didn`t call in sick etc....I would be able to get through the 90 days probation just fine. Well I am within a week of that and the woman who is in charge of our shift has filled the boss with so many lies about me ....my head is spinning. I have done a stellar job, and committed no infractions.....so the only thing they can use to get me fired is make up *safety* issues. My boss is under the impression that I am a some sort of menace...some walking accident just waiting for a chance to happen..... inevitably, I will cause death to myself and possibly others, it is only a matter of time.....I am unable to defend myself, because that is considered *failure to accept feed back*. In all likely hood I will be escorted out of the plant at the end of my 90 days due to this womans vinictivness....and I STILL have no idea what I did that put me in the cross hairs. It is just plain meanness....I finally spoke up to my fellow employees and they without a doubt support, and find no fault in me.....I have been told that this woman is just ugly.... I have been dismayed and hurt by this unwarranted visciousness.....the back stabbing and lies....(course she is always solicitous and kind in front of our boss......acting like she oooonly has my best intrest at heart).... I am deeply ashamed at the portrate that the boss has had painted...and she trusts this woman.... I am unable to comprehend anyone being so vindictive, without any provocation.

Yeah, it was amazing how we could be forced to do whatever the leadership deemed necessary no matter how repugnant we found such action....with simple thought as their weapon of choice. Abandoning ailing family members, discarding unruly kids, selling homes and businesses, ignoring personal responsibilty, abortions, servicing the mog....all done because twi led us to believe that God required it. To not do as *recomended* meant to be turning our backs on God....to have to face Satan *unprotected*. They always told us that it was our choice......obediance or death....

Awwww Z, you sentimental thing you..... NOW you have me nostalgic for the *good old days* in twi....sigh

Heyya hockeynutt, It IS hillarious, if you can find the old thread, you will find that twi spent tens of thousands for that little *info mercial* . The consequent uproar generated, caused way more information than twi would have liked *revealed* to the network and advertising folks.... ended up being a huge bite in the bu tt....lol

Glad to be out...EEEEEEEEEYUUUUCKY!!!!!! Unfu--ing be LIEVE able....You were repoved for not putting out???? My God when the the horney perve didn`t *get some* ...he had to sulk and pout to somone?????? Actually TATTLED on you to your tc???? If it wasn`t so awfull, it would be hysterically funny!

Yeah Bell, I feel as if I were in the same boat. I met not all, but enough of the criteria necessary to become a corpes *spouse* It was so wierd, like a check list... Adv class grad, check...multiple wow years check....way homes check....twig coordinator check..... app. corpse ...physically fit ...commitment level acceptable...etc. Silly me....it never occured to me while being persued, that spouse didn`t actually *love* me.....I later realised (when I read a page in his journal) that I was simply the most *qualified* single female in the area at the time that he happened to be looking for a wife....sigh You know, the old *any two believers can make a marriage work* doctrine.....what a crock The pressure was intollerable once chosen, (not by him, but twi) to be that *virtuous* woman....worthey of the title corpes *spouse*... any mistakes made reflected on the hubands spirituality....ugh I completely remolded myself into what the ministry defined as a good wife (read empty bobble headed doll...smiling vacantly forever nodding my head in mindless agreement....no personality or opinion allowed please......managed to swallow the hurts and dissapointments....endured the cruelty that living with an alcoholic allowed to run unchecked brings.....I completely lost myself...He has suffered his share of dissapointments in me as well.... By the time we left twi, and realised how completely mismatched we were..... we had several small children and were unable to seperate. Our marriage is such a comedy..... lol.....there have been good things, like the fact he saw the crapo before I did...and got us safely out of twi..... ( I never would have made it out alone, being the kool aid drinking little lifer that I was) We have *grown up* .... have allowed each other to become the people that we truly were ....and even arrived at a mutual respect and caring for one another.....wow, it isn`t easy by any means (torturous comes to mind lol) ....nor is it always pretty, I know that both of us will always wonder *what if* ...it seems so sad to spend so much of ones life simply learning how to *endure* one another.

I hear ya z.... Karate tourneys ae 40 bucks a piece. Gas 30 bucks.... 9 of us competing for lol *dust collectors*

Oh geeze wash, that is WIERD! Why would you need to go through the sherriffs dept. for info in a news paper???? Scarey.

Yeah excathedra, so sad that folks not only couldn`t get the needed care and support....we were taught that there was no OTHER place better than twi for lifes answeres/acess to God/healing... We couldn`t get any help in twi, and we were told that to seek other options was *second best*.

What is sick is that they so arbitrarily destroyed peoples lives when they callously cast them out......but also if you told THEM that it was you who weren`t coming back....... When I wrote my letter to hq, stating that I wouldn`t be entering residence that fall, I recieved the an unbelievably venomous letter.... I was a cop out, my heart had never BEEN corpes if I`d let anything prevent me from honoring my commitment to God...yadda yadda big dissapointmenat spriritual loser....yadda yadda. Those guys were mean coming and going...I think they liked it in some sick way.

No doubt hcw, Rochelle like many of us were taught that to seek treatment would have been a sign of *weak* believing To mention something being not *right* would be to utter a *negative* and thus denying/preventing God`s healing.... The frustration/shame/pain must have been horrendous. Throwing her out of the corpes would have been the last straw, since she had heard that all those who didn`t cut it were weak or spiritual cop outs, posessed etc. The shame .... not feeling you could face the other belivers and let them know what a loser you had become....not knowing HOW you had become such a weak loser.....or how to regain your strength and respectability....the poor poor girl. The ultimate betrayal.

and when we were not healed, the problems remained unsolved....it was our fault.....further validation of those feelings of being a failure and all around loser in life.

But Oak, it`s SO much more fun to get rightiously indignant, stomp around beating your chest crying foul :-)

((((ala)))) I am so glad that you were smart enough to know that it wasn`t God that was behind the cruelty. I wasn`t, I thought that if the leader said that I was posessed....it made it so....and that because the leader found me repulsive, so did God....I couldn`t look or speak to him for a long time.....I was so ashamed. That shouldn`t have happened to anybody, much less folks who simply wanted top be pleasing to God.

Sky, Not only did the leadership not help them....I talked to a girl who had been immediatly dismissed from the corpes and escorted off grounds when she refued a threesom w/ the mog. She told me that before she made it back to her home state, hq had called and had the whole body of believers, warned not to talk to her because she was posessed. She lost EVERYTHING! She had forsaken everything in her earnestness to be that doulos for God.... By the time twi was done, she had no friends, no body of believers to fellowship with, no money...everything had been stripped away, in their vindictivness and need to cover their @sses.