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Sorry that you aren`t feeling well just loafing, Good points about the evil perpetrated on good hearted young women who truly wanted to serve God. Thanks for the clarification on mental illness verses personality disorders Shaz, I honestly didn`t know the difference. Hmmmm, you have a good point there Satori.......lol

That is scarey. I always figured them to be just plain mean, or evil...there is actually a mental illness that describes our leaders..wow. I wonder if vp drew people to him that were crazy to begin with, or if he escorted them down the path to insanity. It blows my mind, the credence and respect we bestowed upon these men, the power we gave lunatics over our lives...shiver

Dearest ((((excathedrea)))))) How are you this morning? How is your sweet son?

Johnny Lingo, This type of grilling (and worse) happened to me in twi 1 out on the field. I think that a lot of it depended on where/who you were. The meanness was there all along in pockets.... the poison was just allowed to spread in twi 2 because by then, the bullies had run out anyone likely to oppose their thuggish tactics.

John, I thought that is precisely what he said in gen 39:8 ..... that he would not betray his master. Speaking of *classic predators*, and who they *stood for*.... guess that describes Vp and lcm to a *t* ....

talking with my neighbor....she and her son are diabetic. Locarbs.....a lot depends on how much insulin he takes.... cereal milk is ok, Vegies are good....watch out or fruit (it turns to sugar) Toast and butter ... Grill or roast meat a small baked potato Baked fish or chicken....salad Any meat, as long as it is baked or grilled, frying is a no no Light yogurt sweetened with aspertane. Big thing is low carbohydrates....(turns into sugar) Hope that your mom is ok.

Very apropriate to be shared here Dmiller. Joseph went to prison rather than betray his employers trust. THAT is what a man of character and integrity does! Vp and lcm had neither of these qualities....just an ability to twist and torture scripture to justify the indulgance of their lusts. It is beyond me how anyone can retain one iota of respect for these weaklings, or continue to make excuses and justifications for their betrayal.

Ya gotta wonder....who *finked* and actually GAVE the pic to the director. Just LOOK what those bad boys n girls did ....they were SO bad.... SOMEONE was an abominable narc/suck up

Lol LOl...I can just hear the spiritual heavy corpse directors voice trying to be stern......Mr. Evan Do YOU see YOUR naked buttocks in THIS picture....roflmao......pant pant...omgawd. Too funny.

Evan, were you able to keep a straight face during the reproof?? I find it hysterical that they got so upset......lol would the *fart lighting* story be tmi to share here? Yeah probably.

S`kindda funny oldies, you of all folks accusing anyone of throwing away facts....lol Any time real facts interfere with your perception of *reality* you brand them, and those who present them as lies. ....lol talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

What you described is very nice oldies....It HAD to be, as it was the bait that attracted us. None of what you described is bad, but the reality of what was going in spite of your *perception* was far different. What folks think is SO bad, and SO cultish is when folks were required to obey leadership, required to sexually service the mog, required to abort wanted babies....required tithe, required outreach, required roomates....ect. in order to remain in good standing, required to abandon family members who were deemed unworthey.....required to cover for criminal activity....the list of *cultish* behaviors are endless, and the fact that some enjoyed themselves for 10, 15, 20 years in spite of the trauma the rest of the flock endured at twi`s hands, makes their *reality* in deed, actually a fantasy. No matter what kind of *God* and Jesus* labels you put on the evil behavior. Hey, glad that SOME had a good time....but no matter how much one enjoyed themselves, no matter which labels they utilized to justify and blind themselves to their bretherens plights.....that does not make it reality.

Belle, that is it....nobody wants to face the reality that they have been *wrong* their entire adult life. To have to reassess ones whole universe...who they are ...what is truth....what is important...where do I belong, is daunting.

Debate and scrutinizing my next bm would hold more appeal..... I think I must have sat through it around 25 times....augh, I kept thinkin maybe THIS time I will understand the *greatness* everyone raves about.....

What punks, what arrogant pukes. They sure missed the boat on what Jesus`s definition of *protocol* ie the greatest leader being greatest servant....washing of feet...etc Anybody want to go back and enjoy a little *fellowship* with these pseudo Christian *wannabees*? It is so sad that they think that they are entitled to this. They have SO missed the boat.

Great advice everyone, Hcw, thankyou for your well thought out insight. You bring back to mind the hatrid of Josephs brothers....the spitefullness of potifus wife....the injustice that he suffered in jail....I guess that even good people get villanised in spite of every effort to be well thought of..... I applied all of the above advice in one form or another during my entire 90 day probation....and still was walked to the door ..... sometimes it just doesn`t matter how hard you try. I found out that a couple of other 90 dayers were walked out too this week as well, and I KNOW that the other lady was an absolute sweety, a christian lady of gentle demeanor and peacefull soul. I am persuing appeals, not that I want my job back, but the people in my dept are very upset with what happened and are hoping that I can get some attention from upper mgmt focused on these shenanigans....they are even signing an affidavit stating their opinion of my work ethics/safety habits....they are putting their jobs and reputations on the line willing to risk censure of their own....bless their hearts. It was like playing a game that I didn`t know the rules ....dilligence in my work, perfect attendance, obediance to guidelines, politeness, honesty, integrety, apparently were not considered to be virtues.

Maybe you are right word wolf.

WOW congrats dear chaz and mathman!!!!!!

*Physical pfal writings comprising the New bible from God* Sheeshe, VP himself would have been apoplectic at your bastardization of what he believed/taught Mike. As little use as I have for him, he undoubtedly would have considered your assertions blasphemy.

Rosaleezard......snicker small b small s ...lmao

Dove, I din`t say they do not teach non biblical, they teach plenty of bible. It is a myth of twi that bible isn`t taught *accuratly* they hit the most valid points and are still able to manifest good fruit and people *of the spirit* and many of them do this without requiring the young women to service the mog, forced abortions, forced abandonment of family members, seizure of assets...etc.. I am just saying that if you examine the fruit, you might find that the churches we so disdain for their *lack of knowledge* are in truth manifesting more *fruit of the spirit than twi as a group did. There simply might be more to the equation than we are aware of. There is much great fellowship and learning out here when we drop our superscillious attitudes, and honestly look.

Well .... In 76 there was some disaster to befall us that the *wake up america* tour was supposed to have diverted. In 79 there was the communist takeover schedualed that was narrowly averted due to the believers. Those in the know were supposed to be hording food water and prepare to run for the hills. Y2K was supposed to destroy the world as we knew it in 2000, all averted thanks to twi.....

SOME churches dove, there are many spiritual christians out here. As with any body you will find the spiritually *immature*> But, there IS gold to be found.....as I said even with the supposed doctrinal errors, I have yet to attend a church that manifested the evil twi did. My conclusion? Either the *word* taught is not authentic, or if per chance it was, that it simply isn`t as important as we were led to believe if our goal is to be *of the spirit* I see far more *fruit* in the churches that I have attended than I did in twi, even WITH it`s supposed superior understanding of scripture attained through pfal. There must be more to the equation than superior scriptural understanding in our quest to become *of the spirit*...I think that arrogance instilled while in twi, along with over emphasis on scriptural accuracy could prevent one from achieving their goal. There are long suits that churches enjoythat we have yet to master. Look at the fruit is all I am saying before you judge them on their supposed lack in spiritual catagories that was defined by an evil organisation. It is one more step towards spiritual/physical wholeness. Trying to rework a failed system will not help you progress any further.

Great points jard.