rascal

Yeah, my sole beliefs now can be summed up by *Love God and Love my neighbor* Everything else is relative.

Lol Belle, it really WAS a facinating question when you think about it....wierd how that works isn`t it?

Thanks Belle, be my guest.

Mr. Hamm, that very thought haunts me. How many people were lured into the belly of the beast to be deeply hurt because of me....because I *ignored* problems in twi? We were the *front men* what people saw.....People bought OUR honesty and OUR integrety. People assumed that because WE genuinely loved God, that twi was a legitimate healthy christian organization....(I think being used this way is one of the reasons that I am so angry) I know one precious young woman who never dreamed of what would be demanded of her by lcm when she left her sweet wholesom local fellowship to go into residence. When she refused, she was m&a and her reputation destroyed, all of her friends gone....it almost destroyed her. May God forgive us all :-(

lol :-)

Al, the key word being *reasonable* ;-)

profitable? no ...it was the promise of the spiritual death that awaited us if we departed that kept many of us involved. Many of us stayed to try to help *fix* things....never dreaming that the moral/spiritual depravity was to be traced all the way back to the founder. What a shame....we could have really benefited some people had our efforts not been hijacked by dishonest individuals.

Lol Oldies.....if I were you, I would earnestly wish it was false as well. Back to believing.....I remember one roa where everyone was soundly reproved for our *lack of believing* concerning the weather..... it rained.....BAD believer...bad...no blessings for you!

True Steve, I have said all that I intend to. Sorry for the ongoing skirmish.

I have given all of the information that I intend to oldies. I have said that it is not my story to tell. It is a question of integrity, not fear. You say that you experienced a different twi than most of the rest of us..... Oldies had a good time in twi....[deleted by moderator] Many of the rest of us were treated badly....[deleted by moderator]

Oldies, it is YOUR family member that is being protected in this particular case.

It doesn`t matter if there WAS some good for some folks oldies...what they did on a consistant basis to far to many of our brothers and sisters brands twi as an organisation EVIL! No doubt there are many folks who were insulated from the evil (I was for a time) ...and WOULD attest to the *good* times....(I would have too had I only the experience of my first twig to go by) however that doesn`t make twi a healthy or Godly place.

But in *protecting and nurturing* them Galen.....did we REALLY do them any favors? I know that was why we did it...what we were taught to do..... but THINK about it.... when you/we did this, we lent legitimacy...an illusion of spritual honesty and integrety to an organisation that was not theirs. People committed themselves further becuase of what they saw in US not hq not vp not lcm..... When you/we left these folks ... they were in effect, *set up* for the dishonest and cruel treatment from the REST of twi hierarchy....folks ACCEPTED the abuse believing somehow that they had failed and brought this upon themselves. I saw it...I participated in wonderfull twigs as well....that is why I think that I was in denial about the true state of affairs in twi. I am not sure that it was such a *good* thing to nurture and protect folks....raise them so to speak to be vulnerable to evil leaders, fodder for the belly of the monster. Galen, folks bought our honesty and integrety, they saw OUR life...OUR walk...they assumed that the rest of twi was as earnest in their pure hearts and commiment to God. I don`t know if we did anybody any favors.

Yeah, belief of what we owed this man and this ministry equaled what we owed God....yuckie Ignore every bit of evidence of wrong doing = believing Belief, that if we left tmttugw (theministrythattaughtusgod`sword) that we would die spiritually to be followed by eventual physical death. I was taught that as early as 1980.

Because it is bad form to name names. Specifics will give away identities of those involved and perhaps the person in question would not want this revealed here. This story is not mine to tell.

I personally saw and experienced all of the above occur in twi 1...with the exception of being required to sell your house....I saw that in twi 2 I WAS however in twi 1, required to sell my horses (this was what the first genuine face melting vein popping spittle flying *confrontation* I ever experienced was all about) and required to sell my car to my tc at a very low price in accordance with the tc and lc`s demand....as well as get rid of my dog. (After that first *confrontation* there wasn`t anything I wouldn`t have done to have avoided another) They were viewed as an interferance with my spiritual *duty*

Yes ma`am

and I already replied to you earlier....but if you insist I will elaborate.... Since you repeatedly claim that you personally never saw or experienced the varying forms of abuse the rest of us did, or that you were never held to the same standard the rest of us were.....and that YOU yourself personally said that you must have been in a different ministry than the rest of us.....THAT could and should be considered *preferencial treatment*...[snip]

Thanks Shell.....I apreciate that....I got a pt apologising for upsetting me in chat. I wasn`t even there last night (tuesday) as we had a dinner guest. I apreciate the vigillance. No telling what someone else could say and do in my name. For that matter, if anyone has any contacts of pt`s in my name, consider them false. It is scarey ... some freak could use the name of a reputable poster (any poster) to put someone at ease and then cause harm. I find this very upsetting.....

I have been told that someone has been coming into chat under my handle of rascal. I am very distrurbed that someone can cause problems in my name (I can do that all by myself, thankyou very much). Pawtucket, Moderators, is there anything that can be done to remedy this? You regular chatters know me well enough to ask pertinant questions to make sure that it is me. Untill this is resolved, I refuse to enter chat under the name rascal, if anybody is seen using that name please notify folks that it is not me.

Yeah, I remember when we left twi, that my husband didn`t tithe. Due to twi teaching, I was absolutely terrified of the consequences. I felt so trapped. According to twi, our family would suffer death and destruction for not adhering to that *principle*. According to twi, the children and I would suffer the same if I disobeyed the head of the household and tried to tithe in secret. I was really angry with him for what I viewed as putting us all at risk. I remember blaming my husband when my mare died due to complications while giving birth....because he hadn`t found a place to tithe after we left twi...(we were actually giving ...it just wasn`t technically a tithe) I thought that it was so unfair. God was going to punish me no matter what I did .... Twi siad that if we didn`t tithe to them that God couldn`t protect us. If we did tithe, God would open he windows of heaven....I was always afraid not to tithe. I think it was pretty dishonest for them to make themselves the recipient of our *protection money*

Heyya Lindy..burry back!

Oldies you repeatedly assert that you never experienced or saw the bad treatment that most of the rest of us endured..... [deleted]

Lol....How do YOU know who and what *I* know and don`t know?

Nope same ministry ..... same sh-t. Some were just a little more insulated from the evil is all.....doesn`t make the evil non existant.... I wish that the rest of us could have enjoyed the privelege of your preferencial treatmnent oldies. [edit] Too damn bad for the rest of us eh? I guess that we should have *believed* better.