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750 dollars??? WOOHOOOO I wonder what my reel to reel classes are worth....I wonder if they even play or if anybody has the equipment top play them on anymore....

Ok, a few years back, when the kiddoes were little and we were new in the community. I had been taking the kids to awanas at the baptist church in town.....they had even been letting me help with the kids classes....so anyway, I was asked to stand up and speak to the church regarding the benefits of the prgram since there were those in the church that wanted to ax it. I started the speech with *Hello my name is Cathy W-----, and I would like to speak to you on behalf....* I was so honored to be asked and gave a moving testimony about *bringing up a child in the way of the lord* and how that awanas was a great tool to help parents in that quest..... afterwards I was getting many pats on the back and praises.....folks telling me that they had seen the *spirit of the lord* working within me.....yada yada I was feeling very proud, so very spiritual....feeling like I belonged...and was waiting in line for ice cream surrounded by some of the leaders in the community, my kids pediatrician, my vet`s office mgr, thinking how totally COOL ....feeling that I might have finally found the spiritual *home* that I had been searching for since departing twi......feeling like I had the respect of wonderfull important people....like I was ten feet tall...... A man who was also an awana teacher ....comes up to me....a big deal, deakon type.....and asks *Did you say your last name was W-----?* And puzzled I realised that everyone there only knew me as Cathy.....well and I smiled sweetly n said why yes it is..... And he asked do you live over their near bun--- ----? and ever more puzzled I said why yes..... and he turnes to his wife who happened to be the vets office mgr. and in front of all of these community leaders points his finger at me and bellows.... *THAT is the wife of the guy I was telling you about*! He turns to me and starts snarling ....*WE don`t apreciate the letters that YOUR husband has been writing...WE think that he might be crazy and are taking the police out next time we have to deal with him*..... (a little back ground here....out in the county the electric system is allowed to drive through your yard to get to the meter.....the ahole that had been reading ours was tearing up our yard ....flying around the back of the house and seriously endangering my very young children when he would fly around the side of the house barreling into the yard where the kiddoes played....there is no way that he could have possibly seen them, or stopped in time if they happen to be playing.....he had already run over the childrens cat and we had to put it out of it`s misery in front of them......we were terrified that one day it would be a child when he came flying around the back of our house at a high rate of speed......Mark had written the electric companny a letter telling them to stay the HELL out of our yard with their trucks after the last incident with the cat. Aaaaaanyway they decided that he was some nut job waiting for them in the bushes with his shotgun...sigh. Soooooo as I melt with shame.....the man continues with finger jabing at my chest... to harangue me....*WE have been having meetings about YOUR husband*....the horror on all of the faces of the people that I wanted so desperatly to be liked and respected by growing ever more horrified.....it went on forever....*we don`t apreciate the language that your husband uses* maybe he needs a good talking too from a brother in Christ*....we are going to have to have the sherriffs dept. with us when we go out there....it went on and on....I truly wished that the earth would open up and swallow me ....that I could just die..... In 5 miniutes I went from spiritual godly woman respected in the community to ...sigh .... *wife of the psycho* and even worse...my kiddoes were forever branded as *children of the psycho*....I can laugh now, but it sure as hell was heartbreaking then .... to be shamed in front of what I thought was the whole world....lol It all worked out eventually, we put up a fence so that the guy HAD to walk to the meter....they never brought the law....lol I did eventually laugh....matter of fact, when I had to go to the electric company just recently to sign some paper work for a line going to my bro in laws trailer....lol under occpation I filled in the blank with *wife of the psycho* ...lol The lady taking the app looked at me so puzzled....I just said *Don`t worry, if the right people see it, they`ll understand* hee hee

Darn it Mr. Hamm, you went and got me mad all over again.... *It CONTINUES to provide inept, evil, and downright devlish people with a life of luxury that most can only dream of*..... sigh ....reason enough for me to continue shouting our stories from the roof tops to warn folks away from that bunch.

Wow Shell! Congratulations gramma! Give new mamma Sam and new auntee K big hugs for us! What a joyous day!! I am eagerly awaiting details..

Lol Oldies, it appears to be the common concensus by most folks here, that we WERE miserable in twi and that the misery ended when we LEFT!

awwww (((((wg))))))))))) please don`t cry....that damned witch probably just couldn`t bear for someone to be happy in her presence..... screw her! That doesn`t even come close....maybe I will write mine.....now THERE was a situation to cry over...

Why is it so hard for oldies to accept? I`d have to say that to do so would be to admit that twi was not what he believed it to be dear Oak..... One HAS to have a convenient way to deny and dismiss these facts or be forced into the realisation that we were used and discarded like so much garbage....... Mr. Hamm, I am in agreement with you....I am so ashamed that evil was able to function and prosper effectively camouflaged behind our integrety and good names.

Football players NEVER were required to do what we were to remain on the team or play in the game :-( There would have been severe consequences. When you say that folks chose twi because they wanted oldies....it is now your turn to speak for yourself and your motives....you cannot possibly speak for the rest of us or accuratly speculate on our motives or the pressure applied.

conditioning/manipulation/brainwashing....call it what you will...it wasn`t nice.

I remember burning the bridges, being taught that God would honor my commitment and believing.... Geeze o pete, I did that time and again, and *survived* ....but there were days without food...there were long periods of time that I could not afford the gas for my car .... Went without asthma meds and suffered horribly. Gave up loved ones and hobbies..... But by golly, I was committed to God and Jesus and the ministry that taught me the word.... I gotta tell you that the only tangable rewards I ever saw from that *commitment* .... was when I finally stopped acting so stupid.

Oldies said: The commitment itself, wanting to be a faithful servant of Jesus Christ, has it's own rewards, especially in the midst of unpleasant situations. I know that we were taught that....and that is yet another reason that many of us put up with so much crap ....sadly though....that teaching as far as I can discern, is sheer speculation and hopefull thinking, really nothing more than a means of consoling ourselves when we were being vilely treated....

I think that THIS little jewel needs to be matted and framed and hung on the wall around here.

I have had to ponder what made me/us vulnerable to manipulation into staying involved for so long in spite of the misery endured. I think that there were many of us who were young teens, many of us (at least my friends) being from broken homes or bad situations .... that this might have been a huge factor in why the feeling of *belonging* to something important was so seductive. I think personally that I needed to feel like I was a part of something that was fighting evil....somehow it made me feel as if I was a good person...that I was important because I belonged was on the front lins for God..... I try hard to analyse my mindset so that I can be darn sure not to be vulnerable to the next scam that comes along.

Hmmm rather than profit, for many of us it could have been termed FEAR!!! FEAR that there would be dire consequences if we left the ministry that taught us God`s word.. FEAR of the wrath of leadership that would descend upon us and consecquent face meltings to be endured if disobediance were incur... FEAR that we wouldda been posessed without the nurture of the fellowship of like minded believers. FEAR that if we left that our family members and friends would view us as spiritually unsavory characters. FEAR that God wouldn`t spit in our direction if we left. FEAR of being a dissapointment to God the creator of the heavenlies and our bretheren in the household. I suppose that for some the benefits of personal profit enables them to conveniently dismiss the damage wrought to others...... Too bad so sad for the people destroyed.....

Yup, and I would imagine that there will come a day when they will have to answere for what they have done...and the excuse that *I was just doing my job* is not going to cut em any slack.

Yeah I heard that too Mr. Hamm. That is why when I was declared *posessed* by my tc`s wife at 18, I wanted to commit suicide, figuring that it was far better to die now, than to lose anymore rewards, or to *contaminate the rest of the body with my vileness.

Well I think of the vacations they enjoyed, the best quality of food and *toys* I know that twi financed an abortion or two. How many millions have been lost in settled lawsuits and attornies fees protecting craigs fanny....all REAL Godly uses for that money extorted from us in his name.

Well as a giver of some of the *green stuff* that twi accrued, I`d have to say that I would prefer for ANYBODY else to have it and utilize it than twi. I doubt that the peelers or their attornies could misspend it anymore spectacularly than twi does/did. It isn`t their money that the peelers stand to gain anyway, no more than the campuses that they sold off or any of the assets. It is ours, the folks whom they took the money and labor from all of these years.

For me, it was the novel idea of God needing me in the spiritual battle, that brought me back.....rather than the *word* or fellowship. The wow that was undershepherding me died during our pfal class ....I was told that it was Satan that had killed her so that the word wouldn`t be taught. Well by golly If God wanted that word spoken, if that was going to set peaople free, if I could some how pay Satan back, then put me in coach! You can count on me God...hey I was 17 Even if I didn`t quite get the *greatness* of pfal, or why everybody else was all hepped up about it....I figured that my understanding would be enhanced. It felt very important to have a noble cause to devote myself to. I stayed because I thought that was what God wanted, whether fellowships were good or bad, wether the program I was participating in sucked or not....whether I personally was happy and recieving benefits or not....I endured whatever was required because I felt that God required it.

The way it was explained to me that without the nurture of a fellowship, my spirit couldn`t grow.....it would wither up ...if you weren`t growing you were dying. Once I was weak spiritually, then I would be open season for Satan....God would not be able to protect me. I would probably die physically as well. Add that together with the teaching that had been hammered home all that year on the wow field that leadership was always tp be obeyed even if they were wrong....You know, like Peter who walked out on the water when Jesus told him....and you had one obediant little wafer. That is why m&a was viewed as a fate worse than death...most of us would have done anything required by twi in order to maintain that spiritual nurture.

Not me, lol I am in favor of ANYBODY who has the capabilities of making twi uncomfortable...in any manner legally possible. Twi deserves to be heavily prosecuted for what they have done...however since that avenue isn`t open to most of us, best hit em where it hurts the most...the pocket book. Sure, let God be the final judge, no prob....that doesn`t mean I wouldn`t dearly love to see some justice exacted on THIS side of the gathering!

Thanks LearnedTooLate, I wish the peelers well. I hope that they win and win BIG.....

WOOOHOOO!

I thought that the evil I saw was just isolated instances.....It took getting out and fonding wd and grease spot to understand the enormity of the abuse....*trusted them with my life*....yeah a lot of us did. Our trust was betrayed. Oldies, when they said *die spiritually* it had a different meaning than the one in pfal. I was told without the nurture of a fellowship, that my new *spirit within* would wither up and die....

Hmmm....well I was told that in 1980, after my 1 st wow year that if I returned to my home town, that I would *die spiritually* because there wasn`t going to be any fellowships nearby. I was told this by the people that undershepherded me ..... and no, these were not way corpes, simply former wows. Lol, that is how I ended up in North Dakota.....It was so much more spiritually healthy than Alabama!