rascal

Speaking as a parent of multiple children.... I gotta say that though I am constantly assured of their love for me........ what I REALLY would enjoy is if they`d get along with each other better.....I grow annoyed with the incesant bickering....and rather than care who is *right* I`d much rather see them be considerate and kind of one another other. I have to wonder if thats what God had in mind when Jesus spoke of the two *new* commandments.

No doubt though, I am certain that they would have much rather just been permitted to live their lives and serve God in peace....unmolested by the mog...as it should have been. Nobody wants to be raped no matter how big the monetary award is....that is a callous cruel statement Oldies.

The A--ens sure had enough *proof* to make twi pay dearly through the nose...Hah!! The A--ens ALSO had enough *proof* to get the mog thrown out on his ear...that in itself was an enormous accomplishment....Hah Hah!!!! The A--ens got waydale going which led the way for thousands to make their departure....another extrodinary accomplishment....HAh Hah Hah!!!!! Sounds to me like they kicked bu tt all the way around and deserve our respect .... You show yourself to have zero empathy or compassion...Oldies, in fact it almost sounds like you are a just little jealous of the attention that the women recieved...

Crowns were/are used like a carrot at the end of a stick..... How much better to simply live our lives as we ought ..because we OUGHT too....for it`s own benefits rather than with the idea of getting some reward? I can see folks gathering round Jesus at the bema hands outstretched eagerly ... gimmeee ... just like my kids when they feel like they have earned their allowance...sounds like we are being paid off....or like bribery..... I feel like I oughtta just get the job done because it needs doing rather than what we can get from God rather than what we can get by compliance...eh? LCM used to try to scare everyone with the *loss of rewards* because he was a bully and a control freak....when he couldn`t stop people from leaving and he couldn`t make people die when they did.....he resorted to hurting the only way he knew how.....keep our friends and family from us (m&a) and torture folks with the idea that they would lose their rewards someday...In hindsight, I think it was all just one big temper tantrum when the big baby couldn`t get his way.

Guys....no doubt that when one knew a woman personally that *understood* the unique *needs* of the mog....and felt that their *service* was an honor.....who bought into it and professed as to it being no big deal.....it might be logical for them to conclude that all other women should feel likewise. Oldies..that was a really sick thing to say....it is reprehensible and shows how off kilter your view of the world is.

Thanks Johnny, I think that you are absolutly right. I think that many good folks were more able to protect the rest of us before lcm issued that loyalty oath. As we made our departure...that was my concern....all of the good folks we knew were being thrown out....while the creeps were being promoted.... After he kicked/drove out all decenters....bullies had free reign and were given tacit aproval for ever growing meanness.

As many here can and have attested, facemeltings and cruelty were happening much earlier, it just wasn`t as wide spread. I think that a big factor in why there was such difference in twi i and 2 is because LCM started kicking the people out who had been standing in the gap....those with the courage to stand up and speak out against evil.....with them gone.....the bullies had free range and full power.....it opened the door wide open for widespread abuse... The abuse was always there....it was just better hidden.

Agreed Belle and James....I had life long friends that tried to warn me....had personal knowledge of wrong doing. Up untill then, I had trusted these people implicitly for decades and I yet wouldn`t listen after only three months of association with twi....wierd

In you areas no doubt Johnny L, but please consider that the hurtfull legalism was in full swing in many as early as 79 in many areas.

Vickle, the cardinal that preformed the popes funeral service....a huge prestigous honor....is none other than the guy who moved a KNOWN pedophile priest from parish to parish in the usa for decades... never bothering to warn the new parishes, placing him in charge of alterboys etc....and when those in his charge were caught....numerous times....this guy covered the tracks of the pedophiles and intimidated families into silence. He has been biding his time in a different abby since being ousted from the usa.

following that line of thought......and consider just what WAS the source of all of that fear? Wrong teaching labled as biblical truth.....twi used scripture and the name of God to lend legitimacy to their otherwise outrageous demands and thievery, and many times outright cruelty

Hcw, the fear of the consequences of leaving were every bit as powerfull to some of us as a loaded gun being held to our heads. Twi told me that I would become posessed if I left. Twi told me that I would die if I left the protection of the household. Twi said that I would lose everything that I loved and cared about if I left. I believed what twi said....I stayed in spite of being miserable. In many circles that is called brainwashing.....in others it is referred to as manipulation....some just feel scammed because twi took from us what was not theirs. It happens the same way with an abused spouse who is afraid to leave ...or abused children who are afraid to speak up and tell ...... Many of us sometimes did very foolish things, sometimes did terrible things, endured viscious unjust treatment that under normal circumstances no human will put up with.....and though we didn`t want to, we obeyed and accepted this treatment because we believed it was REQUIRED of us by God almighty...who TOLD us that God required these actions???? twi....that speaks volumes for our state of mind at the time.

Being owed an apology does not equate with one being a victim. Expecting an apology from folks in twi however is bound to be a waste of time..... it`s called *seared conscience* they are oblivious to their responsibility for the damage they wrought....

videos...lots and LOTS of videos. learning games on the computer have kept mine occupied for hours at a time.

Yours was good too Mr. Hamm.....maybe they should send your letter to the folks that are still IN the household, and they could use mine for those that are out of the household!

Ummm wouldn`t it be more like Dear sir/madam: If you weren`t a posessed, copped out, living in left field, rewardless at the Bema, LOSER .... one might feel compelled to offer an apology for the gross injustices visited upon you by our hand....as it is though....because of your lack of spiritual standing due to you not being worthey of functioning in the true household of God, and as you are a dog that has returned to it`s vomit......we owe you exactly SQUAT! God bless you, sincerily, the newer kinder gentler twi

Geeze, just when I started having some respect for the group...it all gets flushed down the toilet.

mcc, in the *child abuse* thread (you can do a search for it) there were a few of the mini corpes and parents of the then mini corpes that posted of some pretty destructive activities that the young children were subjected to. As a parent, I am truly sorry for what you endured as a child in twi, I haven`t met a mini corpes kid yet that has anything GOOD to say about that whole ordeal.

Gosh Shell, it is hard to believe what you had to put up with just because of twi....sigh You were courageous and intellegent.....two factors that should have been highly valued....instead, it might have cost you your marriage. Your biggest mistake as I see it, was not being a spineless butt kissing ever groveling worm in leaderships presence....grrrr That is something that I hated about twi, you were never allowed to be yourself.

Sure glad that we have someone to set the record straight about these alleged spiritual *giants* in twi... shoot and Oldies says that *I* am guilty of exagerating! lol

awww damn((((Lindy)))) the phrase *without natural affect* comes to mind. I cannot imagine as a parent, EVER not coming to my childs aid :-( (yes, even if they ARE full grown) I am so sorry that your mother has her priorities so scewered.....I know that you have to be really disapointed. You know she probably just viewed it as an *attack from Satan* to keep her from the class....sigh

There WAS the time my dog abandoned me on the stage during a preformance and went and hid in the crowd furtivly peaking out at me from between someones legs during a *trick dog* contest....lol she came back after much scolding and eventually rejoined me to complete her act....lol we managed to tie for first.

Gotta wonder why all of my most crawl in a hole and pull it in after me embarassing moments occur in church.

ok one more embarrasing story.....this too happened inna church. As a deputy sheriff in a reserve unit at the time, I had a license to carry a firearm...I kept mine when I traveled in a backpack with a secret compartment .....well we had just gotten back from a trip, and I had not yet cleaned out my back pack ...I just grabbed it and headed off to church with the kiddoes.... We had only been there once or twice....(same one the boys peed on) and at one point while the offering was being collected, I had to open my bag and secret com[partment to get at my extra cash.....so my three yr old looks in and while the soft music is playing shouts out at the top of his amazing lungs...*mom...why you got a GUN in yer purse?????* I tried to hush him up...but of course he wouldn`t be shut up ...but MOOOOM theres a and a slap my hand over his mouth and muffle the next word....looking around to see everyone staring at me in a kind of panicked way....rofl...no doubt they wondered what kindda nut job brings a fire arm to church....lol. and as young children are,....he WOULDN`T be put off...all the REST of the way through the service he kept blurting out questions about mommie`s gun ....needless to say, I cleaned out my bag when I got home and never again resumed the practice of carrying a fire arm with me .....lol

Lol...nother embarassing church story..... I was attending the methodist church up the hill.....brand new in the area ...of course we`d sit up front remembering vp`s teaching about being right up front....lol Well when church would end....my childrenn would bolt for the back door....and I would be stopped in the isle by handshakers....it would many times be 5 miniutes before I could make it to the door.... Well after three weeks, my girls finally ratted out the boys.....sigh They had been running out the back door, and as they were being raised in the country and only 2 and 3 yrs old......sigh thought nothing of whipping it out and peeing onna tree....unfortunatly I guess Daddy hadn`t told em NOT to do it in public...or to use the back of the church in the absense of any nearby trees....groan....... The whole church knew what my little urchins were up too...lol