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Yeah, and *I* think that it just shows how some OTHER folks love to POST evil continously for the rest of us to think about...You aren`t fooling anybody oldies.

Oh n Johnny L, that is some rosey picture that you have painted of lcm.....however I feel that if it were anywhere close to being true.....he would come to grips with what he has done and make attempts to repent and apologise....haven`t heard of a single decent thing that lcm has done for anyone but himself since leaving...sorry I think the guy is nuts, permanently irrevocably so....lots of insane people were nice when they were kids....doesn`t make them or their crimes any less heinous or the pain suffered by their victims any less intense :-(

That is SO stupid oldies....just because lcm was afraid enough of the trouble Johnny and his wife might cause him enough to back off and profusely apologise in earlier years to save his foot means SQUAT! I know a principled young corpes woman who after months of grooming .... DID *just said no* to lcm when asked to participate in a threesom and *stood on principle* who was escorted off grounds by armed security one hour later. She arrived at her home state only to find every believer had been warned not to speak to her lest they become posessed. (she was never permited at a way function again) I know a 17 yr old wow that vpw did the same thing to when she refused.....it was over 20 years before her innie family believed her and stopped mistrusting her as a posessed cop out. (her innie parents were even told not to let her stay in their home) There was the man and his wife who *stood on principle* at the advanced class (lcm profusely apoligized then as well) who arrived home to find themselves m&a and no believers allowed to speak to them..... JEEZE o PETE Oldies, You try to make a point that the women who were coerced and raped by these slime balls somehow failed to stand on principle..... You are once again...attempting to place blame on the person traumatized in some sick attempt to make the criminal activity practiced seem less atrocious, some how understandible and excusable....sheeshe oldies, you are an a 1 creep.

Alfa, I agree, llp`s story has always been suspicious.....LLP`s claims of time involved with twi differed significantly between posts on late wd (a supposed 6mo newbie) and within a year posting on early gspot (3yrs involvment).

WTH ...that is one reaaaally wierd take on why people post what they think of vpw..... He betrayed our trust viley... He stole when he demanded and requisitioned, from us what we gave in God`s name.... He destroyed people without compunction in God`s name.... He was an evil man who was able to perpetrate horrible acts due to the fact he disarmed his victims by masquerading as a minister of God .... I don`t see anything in here about what I want people to think of me.....

Glad to see that you can handle yourself signals:-)

lol signals.... Nervecurve, why did you show and just start picking on signals?

tooo funny signals :-)

This sounds like manipulation to get us to shut up again after we have found the freedom and courage to speak out against evil. Why does our freedom make YOU uncomfortable nervecurve?

I hope so :-) You were departing just as I was getting involved in 79.

Maybe I need to talk about the bad times because I wasn`t allowed to for almost 20 years... Maybe in talking, I am able to examine unhealthy thought processes that evolved during the decades involved. Maybe I am angry at the trust betrayed. It doesn`t matter why, I am just glad that greasespot is here.

Count me in!

Guess the conviction of the twi supported pedophile in dec is ancient history, and the upcoming Peeler case un newsworthey lol.... Twi WISHES there was no new news....lol I think it drives em nuts not to be able to control the information and hide their dirty little secrets any more hee hee. You know if there were truly fellowships in existance in twi as you describe LLP, twi wouldn`t be in the trouble it is in.....

I was at advanced class 84 as well. Funny to think about being at the same events with you folks maybe sharing a meal or a swim together:-) Yeah vp the fatherly figure, concerned for our welfare...yeah, I bought that...s`what made te allegations against him and twi seem so rediculous....I always felt like Craig was trying to sell me something....never felt I could trust him....I guess his biggest problem was that he just couldn`t play the game as well as his mentor.

George, I went out wow that memorial roa it was a sad dreary year...with vpw gone and no one supposed to talk about it....there was none of the exhileration and excitement of the former wow training and preperations...just a feeling of resigned determination to get a nasty job done...., as returning wows, we arrived at the roa after pop had been read....man talk about a depressing time of turmoil.....there was not any of the pride or feeling of accomplishment of former wow years....just a weary unutterable thankfullness that the nightmare was about to end.........it was a huge let down.....our lc having just become one of the newest members of the bot.....was unable to see us or walk into the big top with the dispirited wows that had managed to survive that year in his state.....(most lc`s managed to be on hand to congratulate and pin their wows) I only was able to attend one more after that due to being very pregnant for the remainder of my years in twi.....even with all of the troubles, I dearly loved roa, even after 15 years, I have dreams of showing up and searching for old friends, hoping that things have changed.

There were over 2000 people that went wow in 79 when I did...there were tens of thousands of folks in attendance at the roa`s during those years. Ditto the heat mosquitoes and bad water....there was one year where many many people were desperatly sickened by the water....I thought I was going to die.....stuck in a van unable to crawl to the nearest source for water or food....once a day a twiggy would come by with a yogurt or small drink....it is the first time I was ever afraid for my life....I knew that I didn`t have any family there to give a damn whether I lived or died......

So neat Chaz....my daughter and I had something kindda similar happen today..... We have been scrimping and saving trying to get the needed equipment for our new method of horse training.....the genuine stuff is extremely pricey and daughter and I have struggled....anyway, someone called me today and said that the piece we needed (a genuine parelli halter) had been sent annonymously to us! What a blessing..... Then I stopped at a yard sale with only three dollars left in my pocket.....there were a lot of really pretty clothes in my youngest daughters size......I was hemming and hawing over the best way to spend my money when the lady proceded to take everything off the hangers that would fit (over 20 dollars worth of clothes and shoes) and stuck em in a couple of bags for my measly three dollars :-) (I hope that it was ok to add my cool story here with yours)

Good point ex, it really IS easy to be generous with the bucks when all you have to do is reach in the ol till :-( Think about it though hcw, as much as you apreciate his help, do you think it was fair for vp to pay your tuition and yet throw others out for not having the *believing* to come up with the bucks? For some reason he liked you or apreciated what you had to offer, he was generous and kind to you.....that does not make hom any less a monster ....imo he was just a monster who knew how to be nice to the people that he liked.....the bible talks about that...something about even the worst folks a(can`t remember what they are called) are able to be nice to those that they like...thats pretty easy.

*making my own little corner of the world a more peacefull place* really IS what it`s all about isn`t it Shaz? I have given up trying to figure out who/what is right or wrong anymore....where/what I should be for God.... and have just tried to live by that single simple creed for years now.

Welcome just found out! Man as much as we gripe and complain, most of you *kids* in the ministry had it tougher than any of us.

Ya gotta figure too, that the folks in now are all middle aged, don`t have very much to show for their lives......everything they own is second hand ...most of em rent.... quite different then the exhuberant idealistic teens that were responsible for the exponential growth in the 70s.. also figure that twi ran off anyone who had any talent or ability, any real spiritually sharp people whilst doing their household cleansing.... Twi is dead in the water....there is no comparison of the 2500 folks that remain and those that are responsible for the ministry grow in the 70s.....shoot even the doctrine they try to offer doesn`t resemble what was touted in the 70s. It is so sad that what we invested our hearts and lives in was not a legitimate christian organisation....not serving God as we believed.....much good could have been accomplished ....but alas, twi is just one more imploding little cult....sigh

The sound and smell of generators running always transports me back to a sunny day at the roa standing outside of the meal tents.

Victor Paul WierwilleWell that is certainly a convenient way to dismiss the abdication of ones character, morals and responsibilities......just claim *the devil made me do it* when one decides to indulge themself. Oldies, if God had forsisht, why did he lead us to a place where we were going to be decieved and malisciously treated by people who were to be losers in the spiritual/flesh and blood battle? It makes me feel like I cannot trust such a God.

*Jesus died on that cross for my salvation, and whether there were 2 others or 4 others, it does not negate my salvation* So true act2 ..I think that the ONLY reason that this and the other so called *great truths* we learned in twi had such great significance is because we wre TOLD they were such a big ol hairy deal..... We were so busy thinking we were special because we knew these supposed *deeper truths* in the bible, we completely ignored what was truly important....

*We were fooled because we cannot believe such evil could come from someone so good* Amen and amen shaz... ((((((Excathedra)))))