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Now THERE speaks the voice of reason....roflmao I guess with an attitude like that it makes it really easy to administer and then justify the mistreatment of your sisters in Christ.....ayup .....they have it coming cause the devil has em SO messed up! (whacking my forhead wondering why I didn`t see it all before) Gosh, if only we could live as rightious and holy in our walk as the esteemed Dr. Wierwille....we too might be worthey of respect and common decency someday....sigh

LOL *unregistered viewers restricted*..... deemed unworthey for the greatness of God`s word, yet again....no word for YOOOOU! (said in my best soup nazi voice)

geeze....I just didn`t NEED that sickness in my brain....yuckie....

My son has miniature rat terriers that are awfully nice....they are really smart and tend to be fearless....in addition they are tough and don`t require any special grooming. They LOVE to play and have boundless energy to keep up with kids. Shelties are wonderfull but their coats require a lot of care.... Miniature schnauzers are awfully smart but there again is a dog that needs grooming. Lahsa`s, shizu`s, poodles etc need a lot of coat care and tend to have health issues in my experience. Let us know what you end up with....I don`t suppose ya wanna travel this far south, but there are a lot of terriers to be had locally.

Well well, I wonder why no one has had the dilligance to transcribe loy`s class as well... so that all could enjoy his deep spiritual insight and to marvel at his mastery of the scriptures..... I think somebody oughtta transcribe cf&s as well...folks today NEED that information .... why however will our families and society survive if that insight is lost ...snort

Damn it Bell....took me years to get that damned mind pic outta my head.... N now it`s back in alla it`s nastiness....gag Dunno WHAT I wouldda done if I`d a had to have lived my life without THAT particular little spiritual gem from the advanced class....it has been an ever so usefull piece of information in my in my arsenal of spiritual weapons....

as IF sitting through it 20 some odd times and teaching from the collaterals hundreds of times was not enough to etch that stuff indelibly in our brains ....shiver I am at a loss as to understand it`s continuing appeal...it was torturous enough after the first 5 times to sit through .....sigh

Speaks volumes of the in depth spiritual perception and awarness of those in charge in twi vp, lcm dw etc, and the successors they chose....

EXCUSE me song, but I must take issue (speaking as the owner of multiple sheps).... German shepherds are NOT bred to attack, but were always bred to be herding dogs...they are shown in the herding groups (not working group as are the rotties and dobies) at the dog shows... I have had many sheps in the last 20 years as I have simultaniously raised 7 children and have yet to have an incident of biting of family OR untoward agression to strangers :-) (I had one acception in over twenty dogs that was clearly mentally unbalanced from puppy hood and needed to be destroyed) My family all have sheps as well and ditto their experience....please don`t place them in the same catagory with pit bulls and the like :-) It wasn`t one of the four sheps I owned at the time that bit and broke my young sons arm, but a bouvier de Flanders.... Ya wanna talk about viscious breeds? My sons toy rat terrier has bitten us, the shepherds, and strangers visciously numerous times....lol, As far as that stupid bi*ch that was able to dismiss her criminal negligence and abysmal foolishness simply as her sons *time to go* in order to absolve herself of her damnable guilt.....I hold her entirely responsible....damn her, she oughtta be put to death ... she KNEW that those dogs were dangerous....poor kid.

awww (((oz bird))) I think it is damnable that in addition to our losses suffered, we were required to bear the burden of guilt for our spiritual shortcomings. This was a very damaging teaching, and dead wrong. I am sorry for your loss.

Great point Dove, though I am lmao at the incongruity of you managing to line me up to be in agreement with a person with whom I have such utter and complete contempt.....BRILLIANT!!!

Wow, that leads to the question, where they sociopathic BEFORE association with twi and simply found fertile ground to indulge in their abberant behaviors....OR....did association with twi develope these characteristics in otherwise healthy people? In other words, were we nuts to become involved with twi to begin with... did twi drive us nuts after we became involved?

The most venomous letter I ever recieved though was when my husband didn`t write the apropriate response to the loyalty oath letter. In the letter we recieved demanding a written oath of support and loyalty to lcm and the ministry, which Belligerantly demanded to know who we stood with....one line stood out glaringly....He said....*and don`t give me any of that standing with God crap* That was the final straw of course as Mark said sadly, that *we would ALWAYS stand with God* When Mark didn`t respond....the next letter we recieved was venomous. It said that we were *salt that had lost it`s savor* (worthless) .... *fit only to be cast out into the street to be trod under the feet of the beasts* This to two people who had supported and participated in the ministry whole heartedly for 10 and 15 years respectively. We were now deamed worthless....

Yup Dave, The funny part was that I didn`t enter residence because I had decided to get married, with my leaderships blessings and encouragement.... Three short months later I get ANOTHER letter from the all knowing LCM welcoming me to the corpes household (I married a corpes man) ....that I was now part of the spiritual elite...i was so special yadda yadda.... I went from spiritual scum with no commitment or heart to wonder believer in 3 short months..... It really suprised me that LCM would treat condemn someone with such contempt and venom ....completely dismiss them as believers without having any facts.

John I use the same measuring stick for myself that I apply to vpw or anybody else. What is wrong with utilizing the standard given us. I am sorry that vpw and the leaders of twi failed the litmus test in Galations....it showes us who and what they really were, and releases us from any responsibility to them as men of the spirit.

I got that very same letter.... Mine also said that if I let anything interfere with the fulfillment of my commitment, the vow I had made top God then it just proved that my heart had never REALLY been *corpes* to begin with....very scornfull. It was scathing and ugly. I was quite taken aback that this man who had never met me could judge me so harshly. I was following the recomendations of my leadership at the time.

Agreed Sunesis, Isn`t it amazing how he is willing to teach us in a way that is intensly personal for each individual....ever searching for a way that we are able to comprehend and accept? I don`t understand why....but remain humbly gratefull that he cares enough to invest so much effort in helping me to understand.

Wow, TWO gems in one day Mr. Hamm!

Gosh Oldies, you are missing the greatness of witnessing God work when we place our trust in him, rather than the questionable results achieved when telling him what we believe he is going to do. Bless your heart, you are then blaming youself, your own *believing* for a lack of results.... It is not your believing that fails you friend, nor God ..... but the faulty formula that you were taught to employ. For that I am truly sorry.

Well maybe in our earnestness wth, we can help folks still ensnared in their denial ;-) You got a problem with my pov wth, take it up with the author of Galations. THAT is the measuringstick we were given scripturally, and simply what I was employing for my assesment of someones spirituality. According to scripture, VP`s very own actions brand him clearly as a man of the flesh. As a man of the flesh masquerading as a man of the spirit I hold him in complete contempt....much like Jesus did the pharisees who utilized their positions as spiritual leaders to steal from the people they were to nurture. Go ahead try to make him a likable fellow, I am sure the folks who benefitted from the benevolence of the pharasees felt that they were pretty good guys in spite of the abuses others endured and part that they played in that little fiasco of the crucifixtion.

Oldies, those silly formulas learned in twi that we accepted as *bible based* truth .....in reality prevented us from understanding much. Believing = Recieving is actually a set up for failure the way twi taught it.

Now I freely and gladly put everything in God's hands and have found He does a much better job of figuring things out than I ever did. :D--> Amen and AMEN Belle :-)

Wow Sunesis, that is EXACTLY what happened, and why we got such poor results. I too quit directing God with my *super powers* of believing instead, asking and accepting that *thy will be done* and started to see amazing results as well. My husband occasionally derides me for my lack of believing for specific stuff, and I haven`t been able to explain what I knew and understood.....gonna show this to him, it makes it all make sense.

Thankyou Sunesis, I see the point Sir Guess is trying to make a little better now. I will re read and try to understand it from that point of view.

Good luck Guys!!! I quit almost 18 years ago (after smoking for 15 years) when I got preggers with my first child. I miss it to this day, but have no regrets. I HATED something having that much control over me....my whole outlook was determined by whether or not I got that next ciggy on time. If I was even slightly delayed...I was NUTS! My whole being was focused on how I could sneak away for a puff or two. You guys are gonna LOVE alla the money you save as well! I deliberatly didn`t take any cigs with me to the cabin, there were no store and no smokers within walking distance to bum from....My husband had the car keys....we stayed there for over a week....otherwise I do not know if I would have had the self control. You guys that have the discipline to just put em down are really tough.