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Cool waters, I think that twi was bad..PERIOD! The reason I say this is, because twi doctrine and practice enabled and encouraged bad behavior.... People were taught to behave in an immoral manner and rewarded for unethical behavior. We were not taught how to be of good character. I think that had twi been truly a Christian place, The top leadership would have insisted on moral and ethical behavior.....ie we would have seen the fruit of the spirit that Galations speaks of verses the fruit of the flesh that was so rampant in twi...... The attributes of twi people that you listed Cool Waters...are all listed as attributes of people who manifest *fruit of the flesh*.... I believe that this is a symptom of the lack of healthy spiritual guidance that we should have been able to expect from those whom claimed to represent God and his scriptures to us... As it was, the scriptures were used to allow and excuse morally reprehensible behavior.

As far as upside? Well how about the fact that our willingness to share the ugly detail about the viscious crimes committed against us has been instrumental in helping THOUSANDS of people in their decision to leave the bondage of an evil organization, One that to this day.... continues to steal, kill and destroy in GOD`S name. Our beatings administered to said horse are having a profound impact on the ability of an evil group to continue to decieve unwarey people. Hopefully, the deceased equine assaults will continue to be administered untill the evil of twi is no longer capable of affecting a single person. It is always dissapointing when one doesn`t see or understand the profit of what we do....but that in NO way absolves us of our responsibility to warn others of the danger once we are aware of it ourselves.....

Hey James, it certainly is NOT you and I that we are denouncing here.......Oh HE__ no....that is the vilest of insult....*I* CERTAINLY wasn`t drugging or rapeing anyone, and I don`t believe that you were either ..... I wasn`t destroying anyone for non compliance with my sexual deviancy...I wasn`t stealing other mens wives, seducing abused teens, ...I wasn`t ordering abortions, I wasn`t covering for pedophiles,and wife beaters, attempting to protect them from prosecution by the authorities ....moving them to a new area to place them in a position of authority over unsuspecting believers.... I wasn`t extorting protection money from people in God`s name ...and then spending it on frivolities and shopping trips for the *good* girls.....I wasn`t destroying lives and families at a whim..... These are just SOME of the crimes that we lay at the feet of the leaders of twi...starting at the top with vpw....and YES these were crimes perpetrated....by the vilest of criminals. No James, that was not me....but that IS the twi that I am so vehemently outspoken about. You n me James, we were just the poor dupes that covered for these monsters. Our wholesom countenance, our love for God, our desire to please him....is what the leaders hid behind fella.....people saw US and assumed that twi was a safe wholesom place to be..... Nope, the only crime *I* am willing to admit that I partook in.....was in supporting and enabeling these monsters to prey upon unsuspecting christians....they couldn`t have done it without us fools... I think that your statement is about the nastiest slam against the posters here at gspot I have ever read....I don`t think any of us here did these things....and deeply resent the implication that our pure hearted intentions were anywhere close to being in the same catagory as the actions of these villains ....it is a deeply insulting allegation to make.

Weeeell, I certainly don`t see any GROWTH coming in the next five years.....seeing as any tallent, heart, love, not to mention spirituality was long ago thrown out, bullied away, or just plain ignored.... Lesseee...getting rid of any folks who disagreed with the leadership`s immoral practices, or who didn`t agree with destructive policies....didn`t strengthen the group.... Terrorizing the believers....has not resulted in any apreciable increase.... Manipulation with guilt and dishonesty hasn`t halted the exodus.. The new technique is to just be *nice*....it remains to be seen if the twi followers are going to be lulled back into slumber with these kinder gentler tactics.... It is so sad....if they simply attempted to be what they claimed to be....ie a christian organization (and no, as we all know, just because you can study scripture...that doesn`t make your group a Godly or Christian place to be)....they wouldn`t have to resort to different forms of manipulation and deciet. But hey, that is what happens when you are at loggerheads with God due to your immoral practices.

That is mighty damn sick....the pedophiles should never EVER be allowed access to their victims or any OTHER children. Pedophiles themselves will be the FIRST to tell you that they will never be *cured* nor will they ever be able to be considered safe around children. Mighty damn sick to place a convicted pedophile back in the home with the vitims cause momma needs a paycheck....I suppose Daddy will make the poor kids pay dearly for their truthfullness... Guess they will damn well know better than to trust law enforcement or the courts ever again :-(

Bye guys, will miss you both very much. Glad that life is going so well for you all. Having suffered so much, we tend to treasure the good times even more so. I will miss reading of your triumphs. If you end up vacationing anywhere near tenn, let me know...I`d love to get together.

Damn Georgio, I wish we could make the bastards pay dearly for what they allowed to happen to you guys. I am so very sorry that as adults, we were completely oblivious to the suffering of you children...you guys SHOULD have been protected.

After perusing the child abuse threads....I have decided that this horse ain`t been beat NEARLY enough... These criminals that good ol James wants us to LOOOVE ... f-cked up little kids.... They attempted to teach parents to ignore their God given instinct and do the same. They were/are viscious monsters. I am going to need to get a much bigger stick.

Your story makes me physically ill Lady Cat.... All of those poor nameless little faces being physically assaulted through the years .....All of those parents being taught to abuse by people in authority....people who demanded trust and allegiance, to the point where parents would ignore their own parenting instincts. It is just sick.

I cannot find the thread nor remember the name of the poster who was the mother of the victim who came and started a thread with the details about how the ministry treated her for pressing charges.... Does anybody remember her name?

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I am so sorry Lady Cat....I can remember that I so envied those corpes kids, those who it appeared were fortunate enough to get to ride their parents spiritual coat tails through the corpes.... I naievly thought...*Gosh how wonderfull to be raised in the word by spiritually sharp parents...those little guys just don`t know how good they have it* Who knew that they were enduring the vilest of treatment.... I am so ashamed that though unknowing, I facillitated this abuse by my support of this group:-( Thanks for bringing this back to the top, someone asked me about it recently.

Usually I cannot find anybody I know, I am always happy and proud because I have an rv to stay in... I am always looking for familiar faces, hoping that twi has straightened up. I am always just a little afraid that folks will find out that I don`t believe the same any more.

Yeah Georgio, I do. It was a lot tougher on you little guys that grew up in twi....I am amazed at how well you have handled all of this...at least those of who got in at a later age, knew there was life outside of twi when things got to stinky:-( I have dreams where I am on the wow field and I realise that this is wrong....but I made a commitment and God expected me to complete the year anyway. I spend the whole dream just sick at heart going through the motions for God. Sometimes I go back to Emporia and try to find out if they are still screwed up... One time was cool though....in it, God came to me and said to witness for HIM...to be a secret agent and witness to people to get them OUT of twi instead.....my mission on the wow field was to get people OUT of twi ...lol One time we led a commando type of mission to rescue Mrs. W, to get her outta that place. Most dreams though, are of Rock of ages...I wander around trying to find old friends, I keep checking out the teachings hoping that things might have changed....they never do. The prevailing theme is....looking for good, but not belonging...wishing that it was *good* so that I could go back. Crazy eh? It has been over 15 years and I would never EVER want anything to do with twi...shudder.

I guess it is all in ones perspective James. There is an art to presenting ones own without offending or discrediting others valid points, something that I obviously need to work on.

I thank God that there are people who WERE willing to continue to speak of the atrocities...though they were roundly criticized for their candor.....else I would have never gotten off of that hampster wheel of rushing pointlessly in frantic circles, no matter how much effort I exerted, never arriving at my destination. Those folks who were beating the dead horse at that time, finally set me free in my thinking. It is my prayer that they will continue to do so for as long as there is one single adherent to twi thinking still enslaved.

Heyya James, wanna borrow my glasses for a sec? Just kidding;-) I personally consider it *LOVE* to warn people of the snare that is hidden, set to entrap the unwarey. Jesus himself called the pharasees and moneychanges, and anyone else who used or harmed folks in God`s name....horrible viscious names...he warned people of the dangers presented by those who *looked good on the outside but contained death on the inside* That was our ministry founder and top leaders my friends ...sorry, but I have NO love or respect for those who so callously destroyed in God`s name....I will reserve that and my compassion for the victims of these animals.

Oh I`m SORRY Belle, was that a bit too graphic? Lol, sorry bout that, I will make restitution... Ain`t it the truth Mr. Hamm? What KILLS me (well no not really, but ALMOST) is that at different times through the years....there have been many well meaning folks with better eye sight, or who offered to lend me their glasses for a closer look ... who tried to gingerly point out that the *onions* were still squirming....but when I attempted to question my waitress...I was promptly distracted with offers of desert, or a drink....once my attention was redirected, I would generally forget about the maggots. How in the world did they manage to get me to ignore the stench, the putrid taste, all of the evidence my senses where sending that there was something unwholesome about my meal? p.s. *Ptomaine Palace* hee hee

AHA! Very good point Mr. Cool Chef:-) The ever swiveling all seeing, all knowing, eye on the staff of power...BRILLIANT!

Our tourneys are HUGE fun...this year in addition to forms and fighting, I am attempting to compete in a weapons competition with nun chucks (sp?) for the first time! Which is a riot, because I am the most uncoordianted person on the planet....(what, you mean you want me to walk AND swing these things???? SIMULTANIOUSLY???) as a matter of fact, I am so afraid of knocking myself out cold....or losing a tooth due to inadvertantly smacking myself....I am using the kiddie foam padded ones....I am supposed to use wood for the tourney...dunno what they will say when they see my using *toys* hee hee

Dunno bout the devil`s dirty work Mr. Hamm....but that`s when I snuck out of my window with a wow from another family and rolled the oh so stuffy way corpes/wow bc`s house....Some how he didn`t find it as amusing as we had anticipated...sigh

The most EMBARASSING meeting was when a leader insisted at a state meeting that we all do the *Father Aberaham* song complete with all of the assinine motions. I was MORTIFIED....It was my first limb meeting, I had just arrived on the wow field, we were at a public place...a state park....and here was 80 or so adults all are acting certifiably insane. I was of course reproved for not being enthusiastic enough, as the lc obviously had a good reason that me with my lack of spirituality couldn`t understand...ie we needed to wake up and get the blood circulating.... My goodness what an embarassment.

Funny funny, Learning, When I was on the wow field....we were RELIGIOUSLY in bed literally at 11:59 every single night in observation of that oh so spiritual rule... Course we had NO qualms about arrising promptly 2 miniutes later at 12:01 because our commitment in no way stated how EARLY it was permissable to get up to start our day :-) We had a lot of fun that year.

I think the eye oughtta be dramatically mounted on the end of a staff....you know like Gandolf`s in lot.... Passed down from mog to mog throughout the generations ...a symbol for all to acknowledge their all seeing all knowing spiritual descerning abilities.

WONDERFULL Act 2 .... You will feel more coordinated with each class. You should be SO proud of yourself! I went back to karate after a three week vacation in cool upper mich...augh, down here in tn., it had to have been over a hundred degrees in the dojo, the humidity was stifeling.... It is really tough getting back into the groove, I found that I lost most of my flexibility and my muscles were so tight, I couldn`t hardly kick head high....sigh Who`d a thunk three weeks couldda been so significant....sigh Do you get to do tournaments in kick boxing? We have one coming up in sept.