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Aww Mr. Hamm, I am SO blessed that YOU are so blessed...:-)

Wheres that corpes web sight belle? I think my spouse would like to see that.

Ummm where did 100,000 people go and why?

Can 100, 000 former faithfull followers ALL wrong?

Why did corpes on the field have a no serious pet policy invoked, were they were forced to get rid of theirs, when rosie had three cats?

Why were the corpes forced to live on a *needs* basis, forced to take pay cuts, not allowed to have any pets, number of children mandated, because the ministry needed to tighten it`s belt.....when tax records from the period show that they still had over 40 million dollars in money and assets?

Why are LCM`s materials still being used 5 years after he was put on probation....when every other author of a book teacher of a class who was left twi even for spiritual probation had their materials immediatly removed from circulation?

Why were the people who were unjustly thrown out of twi...m&a`d , SOME of them for simply confronting lcm for the very thing he was eventually put on spiritual probation for, never called and apologiized to, or welcomed back?

Oh OH...I KNOW! Why did Donna get to stay at hq when her husband was put on probation and required to leave? In every other instance....if one spouse was found to be unworthey BOTH were asked to leave and branded with the same iron. Why did SHE get to live in the corpes chalet that was BUILT for PAID for by corpes who expected to get to use it when they visited?

How about why does twi members support accused (and subsequently convicted) pedophiles over the victims and their families? I don`t know how to prove this other than the public sex offender prophiles and the testimoney here of their victims parents.

Gosh where to start bliss....how about WHY did twi lie about lcm`s *one time afair*? Why did Rosie and the bot knowingly cover for him since 95. All answeres can be found by reading the judges castigation of twi`s conduct in public court documents.

Skyrider, good point. Because of his conduct, he WAS found unfit and dismissed as a minister of at least one church.

Oh my, now THERES an amusing bit of P.I.!

weeeeeeeeell....technically robbery is STILL robbery whether it was 20 miniutes ago or twenty years..... If the Criminals are still at large, I see no problem with identifying them and thwarting their efforts at further predation on the unwarey :-) Oh n twenty years later, we still are not allowed in the house or on the grounds purchased with what was taken from us...I`d say that the robbery is still relevant.

Thanks Sky4it, that is definatly food for thought....it would be great if there were really an upside to the horror that we promoted. Twi couldn`t have survived or functioned without our efforts. It really sucks to be a spirit filled christian and know that I was decieved into enabling Satan to hurt and destroy so many of our family members.

Agreed Frank, I like the REAL me better as well.

Good point Shellon! It`s one thing that we who are bitter and twisted, the rightiously indignant AND the none of the above can be in absolute agreement about eh? ;-)

Further in the thread, you will read that investigation revealed that twi paid over twenty grand to have that little promo made....and that getting it on that spot was nothing more than a marketing gimick. When the network found out who/what twi was due to to viewer outrage, they pulled it immediatly.

This is why I wonder if twi was truly a ministry, or Godly at all....is it possible that it could have been a distraction, a lure to draw people away from the men and women who were genuinely spiritual, the real deal....and their ministries. Yeah we saw the love of God....but there was always someone behind the spiritual ones hawking twi classes saying *yes you TOO can be just like them* it just takes 200.00 and a three week commitment.

Good point on the Apostle Paul.

Kit, I have no doubt that God worked some miracles...I am glad that you remind me of this.... What I wonder is if vp had any part of this....in hind sight it kind of seemed like he hijacked other peoples ministries like heefner and doop, maybe we saw the fruit of others but vp used em to make it look like twi and HIS research and ministry that was responsible for what we were seeing..... It seems to me like all of the good things we remember in twi were because of people OTHER than vp, his leaders, his classes, or his corpes training...no? Maybe our suspicions were disarmed because we saw the spirit of God at work in these other genuine christians.....and wierwille took advantage of this trust to indulge himself.

Ok, next question....Does a false prophet necessarily have to KNOW he is a false prophet? I mean could vp have REALLY done all of his reading and studying....come up with all of his formulas and principles concerning spirituality....and have completely missed the boat spiritually? Could he be so blinded by technique, studying to show himself aproved...figuring that the *works* of research in and of themselves was what made you spiritual....so engrossed in his method....that he entirely missed what true spirituality, love, christianilty was all about as witnessed by his actions and fruit? I guess what I am asking is ....is it possible to be evil, cause mass destruction and still believe that you are doing the will of God?

The way ministry promised SO much ...even on just the little green cards........ not only did those promises fail to materialize .... involvement with twi turned out to be quite detrimental to our lives. Not that I want to quibble dear Mr. Hamm, but I don`t think I wwant to dismiss the evil of twi as a *ministry of nothing* ... maybe dub it a *ministry of pain* or a *ministry for the destruction of faith* ....I dunno, I think excathedra called them *stealers of souls* A *ministry of deception*....yeah... that is a good description.

Gee, makes ya wonder what ELSE they mightta lied about, exagerated about, decieved you about, eh Bliss? One time consentual affairs...only one lawsuit...twi is the only place to learn truth...snow on the gas pumps...twi is a christian organization...WHERE does the deception end?

Thanks Wolf....I apreciate the clarification... Allan, I stand corrected.