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It was a RHETORICAL question Allan...the answere being a resounding NO!....that leaves the alternative....twi being run by evil men masquerading as pastors....wolves in sheeps clothing perhaps? I have no gratitude or praise for these who wrought such devistation in the name of God.

Umm, I am guessing that would be a resounding *NO* as far as believing twi a Godly place to be....lol Welcome Chain Clanker ...

Thanks Linda, I agree, it does not have to be an either or thing.....

Ummm Allan, I didn`t write that. You took one line of one poster on a three page thread to harangue on...please, take a look at the bigger picture. You apparently are unable to comprehend the motives for what I post....no matter, it does not negate their value, or my integrety. As far as any blame I chose assigne? ....The way I see it. ... either twi was screwed up or God was...people were hurt, people died... If you can stop frothing at the mouth long enough to give a coherant answere, I would welcome your input, as I have stated previously, every single poster here has something valuable to contribute.

Dove, you seem to be trying to pick a fight....I have already explained my reasons for offering my opinions on places to find fellowship....I don`t need to defend myself any further to you....

Did I mention how much I adore you ((((oak))))? You are entirely correct...so, that settled, who do ya gotta know round this joint to get the karma under my name changed?

It was NOT clear from the original post dove, I only offered an observation on what had helped me personally when I was lonely after leaving twi....As SOON as Smurff clarified what she was interested in, I shutthe hell up..... I made no statements concerning cff pro or con, I even expressed a liking for it`s leaders....I did not contradict catcups first hand account in any fashion shape or form.... I have stated before that it is my opinion that God can work in multiple areas ...exactly how we need ..... in whatever the uniquely personal and loving way NEEDED to heal each of us in whatever the best manner that works for that particular individual......even in gasp heaven forbid.... offshoots and dare I say .... churches??? I think the only people that have a real problem with this are those who still insist upon trying to shove the shoe that fits on their foot onto everybody else....

ROFLMAO Oak! technically, I think it was *agent * of darkness....but mistress `ll do ;-)

Allan, the best I can say in defense of myself is... When someone is thanking God for twi, saying that he is responsible for some great benefit recieved from involvement in twi....I seem to be no longer able to feel gratefull... The reason for this it has become so difficult to read someone praising vp or twi, is because instead of fondly remembered teachings and meetings... I now hear the cries and tears of the children, I see the devistated faces of my sisters betrayed, I am haunted by the empty arms of the parents who were required to abort their children in service to God.... I cannot, feel like God led us there .... I am so sorry that I cannot share your view on this matter. I do not feel evil, Allan or that God hates me for this.

Good point Oak, doesn`t speak very highly of God if vp was the best he could muster.

Ex 70s, I hear those sentments....wouldn`t it be nice if twi continues to dwindle to the point where there won`t BE anybody left at hq to be the recipient of any drive bys...lol Mr. Hamm, great points about the shennanigans of twi and the like souring people against redemption....Twi experience has made me at times, seriously leary about my childrens involvement in christianity.... Shell, thanks for understanding....thanks for your clarity ..... you make this sound normal and healthy, rather than some nut job, insanely spewing venom at random..... CW, you are SO right... if we stop telling, someone may not hear the warning. If even one more person gets seduced into twi...it is too many....Thankyou. Abby, thanks.... Evan, I am not to that point yet....I mean, yeah I see God using what I have learned to alert us and others to hypocracy ...I also see myself as no longer intimidated by bullies...a much more confident, self reliant person........but I cannot bring myself to say...I thank God for my twi involvement.... I am a home school mom, can I ask who the name of your speaker was or could you pt me? Daddy H, I think that I spent so many years pretending thatwhat I thought or felt didn`t matter, or that it was wrong to speak up, that I needed to simply renew my mind...be happy, only one thought at a time you control it...only speak positives.....maybe that is why I am here vomitting all over the screen 20 years later.... Guys I sure apreciate each and every one of you.......

I agree Bliss and thanks....

absofriiginlutely bliss, you are in a unique position to educate and enlighten folks. You will be able to communicate with folks who would not give anyone else the time of day...God can use you to provide those answeres... I understand, one miss step and you close down all lines of communications.....shut out as evil, trying to lure them into darkness... I know, I remember the mindset. I wasn`t allowed to talk to anybody who had been to the John L, Ralph D, meeting that was in our area in 86 for fear that we would become spiritually contaminated......In all likelyhood, we were told that these people who simp[ly went to the meeting were now posessed.

Good for you Bliss! Maybe you will be able to aid someone in their quest for answeres. Maybe you will plant those seeds that will later germinate, aiding yet another in their escape from twi.

Nuff said ....shiver...

Who you callin a nasty piece of work?

Don`t know Allan, seems like it is you who have been doing the majority of the name calling and mud slinging this week...could it be that you haven`t left twitville as far behind as you think? Also consider, if one is sitting in an outhouse, ummmm maybe that really isn`t *truths* you are holding on to....;-) Come on Allan, I think that you are a good guy.... What I have to say may not be your cup of tea, but my points are still valid for consideration.

Lol Mr. Hamm, glad you did..... I don`t know what you think I`d like to *see happen* Allen, but I started a new thread to post my pov so as not to derail this one any further. Sorry Bliss, continue.

I know I am offending him and others cw, but if I can just communicate my disgust, my anger as being against a man and ministry who used God...rather than an assault on God or Christian values..... It might make a differance.

Allan, you are mistaken brother, but that doesn`t offend me. The only blaspheming *I* intend on doing, is against people whom decieve and destroy in God`s name.... As long as you and I can agree on that, then we remain alies on the same side of this battle. respectfully, Cathy

Snort...how`s THAT for being a venom filled, hersey speaking, ever evil thinking, perpetual victim...lol

My blood just boils when I think about the faces of those smarmey teachers, up front at the podium......piously spouting the scriptures.....us lapping it up, swooning over the new enlightenment.... meanwhile, these guys are smirking, scanning the audience...scouting out the pretty girls, making a mental checklist for the entertainment later that evening........grrrr Do you think they ever had any honest compassion or regard for us??? Did they ever really care ....or were we simply a means to an end??? Were we ever viewed as christian brothers and sisters, or simply bodies for the count, a means to get the coffers filled, a sales force to get their product out, their programs filled...? I should be thanking God, gratefull to the man and ministry that put these predators in the midst of the flock? I am so tired of people thinking that we *owe* these guys something.

it`s referred to here in our household as our finely tuned *bull ****ometer*

Will have to change the title of this thread to *Rascal Raving* ....

Is it possible that twi could have warped our whole understanding and perception of God, scriptures, and Christianity? Do we still remain thankfull and paise God for twi as an introduction to him, as frought with misunderstanding and error as the form of christianity that twi presented? Why isn`t God able to make himself known in a way that isn`t visciously destructive?