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Wow, Mr. Hamm, I think THAT is the last piece of the puzzle!!!!' Seriously, that makes all of the sense in the world to mw.... If we were decieved, lured away from the shepherd by wolves in sheeps clothing, enticed by the offer to teach us about God....when the trap was sprung, when the wolves were running rampant among the flock, slashing and devouring, destroying ...... God, or Jesus, whatever you want to term the good shepherd was there when we returned to him...to patch our wounds, to hold our wounded ...to heal Gosh.....this would explain not only the deception, the betrayal, the destruction, but also the blessings, and positive experiences. It also explains why we met so many wonderfull people that made our twi experiences special....they were the fellow sheep.... then there were wolves wandering disguised through our midst.....desimating the flock.....only a few wolves at first...that is why we were unaware ....but more and more predators were losed on the poor sheep....untill the evidence of the carnage became undeniable.

love........is THAT what we have been feeling? brrrr I remember hearing that after the vilest of face meltings by a leader....*but I wouldn`t do it if I didn`t love ya*....

We are also living in a world where evil men will utilize anything even the bible to achieve their ends. In scriptures we are warned about wolves in sheeps clothing...seeking who they may devour. They wear *sheeps* clothing so that they can aproach the flock, without alarming the sheep.. If they aproach the flock growling with fangs bared as the predators they are....the sheep simply run seeking the safety of the shepherd...... I think after considering the fruit of his life and the fruit of his minisrtry, that vp was always a wolf, a predator. I think that the benefits recieved are mearly the bait for the trap set to snare the unworthey. I don`t think that God would call us to be there.

Well, I certainly cannot see how speaking in tongues aided twi leaders in being spiritual.... Many of those guys were down right evil...but they sure spoke in tongues like a house a fire! Guess that I don`t see how it did em much good.

That one caught my attention too Georgio, I cannot believe that doesn`t just scare the he11 out of them.

So Oldies you and allan are saying that God called you to be blessed by him in twi, and ALSO that God called Mo and her children and so many others to be destroyed by some of the evil MEN in twi? I am asking....why do you think God led Mo into twi, KNOWING what she and her children would face at the hands of SOME mens evil??

My point is perfectly valid Oldies. If God was responsible for leading you to twi for blessings ....then WHO the hell was responsible for leading mo and others who lost everything? GOD??? That is a heck of a charge to lay at HIS feet. Come here oldies, I have blessings for you...you come along as well mo...Oh wait, sorry, no blessings for you.....just viscious abuse, betrayal, and loss.... Geeeee thanks God! I am glad that you were at least nice to oldies and allan. I just don`t think that he was responsible.

Damned Lucky is right Mr. Hamm... It could have very easily been your kids or mine...your family or mine.... Allan didn`t escape harm because Allan was stronger or more spiritual, or that God liked him better or that he was somehow more worthey or special..... Contrary to his opinion, I think that Allan has sustained more damage than he realises. THINK about what you are saying....Mo and cw entered the ministry for the same reasons we did....to know God.... If you are saying that God led you there and blessed you.....then you are also saying that God is responsible for what happened to mo at the hands of the same people.

Gosh, with all that you have on your plate Brother speed, I am gratefull.

You make a good point Goey. I wonder if the *greatness* of tongues was maybe more of a feeling that it was a seal of aproval on the ministry...proof that we felt we were on the right track. I have not seen a lack in my life for not continuing to sit, as a matter of fact things continue to improve....so I can`t where God cares whether I do or I don`t.

Allan you don`t care, that is patently obvious...that you are so callous is damning evidence that twi failed to teach you correctly. What you escaped with....is putrid fruit, detrimental to your health and that of others....lending further support to the idea that twi deserves no praises or thankfullness as a christian or Godly ministry. People seem to come away thinking that because of their scriptural knowledge and operation of biblical principles, that they are rightious and can safely ignore the most basic and important of commandments.

Good points Lindy, Twi couldn`t possibly get any better, without fixing what was wrong... They haven`t apologized or asked forgiveness, nor tried to make amends to those wronged. That would be a clear indicator that God hasn`t been invited back either....

Wow, shell, can I just copy your list? Lol Life IS good, I enjoy my family, I enjoy my horses, dogs, cats, and various and assundry critters, I enjoy my beloved home, my creek, I enjoy genuine friends, I enjoy karate, Lots of joy here I guess :-) All fruit in a bountifull and blessed life.

aww Georgio, that IS sad. You wonder if these poor kiddoes will ever be able to overcome this handicap and function in the real world.

Brother speed,you are in Iraq? May I say thank you for what you are doing? You will be in my prayers.

Allan, and mj, this behavior is a prime example of what was nastiest and most vile in twi. Just stop for a miniute and LOOK at what you are defending Allan.... TWI without conscience moved a known pedophile into an area with unsuspecting people and placed him in a position of authority over those innocent ones. TWI protected and covered for the pedophiles AFTER mo tried to get them turned in. TWI visciously attacked and attempted to destroy cw and HER family when she tried to report the activities.... Children molested, Mothers discredited, twig co and childrens fellowship co allowed to continue predations. This isn`t the only example of this EXACT behavior that has come to surface this year...read about the treatment that Mark N`s spouse/ex that tried to notify twi of her suspicions :-( These three were BOTH convicted in a court of law of what is being discussed....and yet you coldly attack the person who`s life has been utterly and completely desecrated during her contact with twi...... You know, attack me all you like, but I wish the he11 you would leave mo alone...She has had enough blows delt, without having to deal with the two of you cruely trying to recriminate hr for what twi, and her tc did. Mj, your behavior doesn`t suprise me a damned bit, you have slammed the victims of twi`s predation at every turn....you did it on the sexual abuse threads, the abortion threads, and the child abuse threads....and though I don`t understand your visciousness, or need to assault the person wronged, this behavior on your part is nothing new. Allan, though you have been given every courtesy and the benefit of the doubt.....your behavior is cruel and insensitive...Kindness and understanding are certainly not in evidence in what you share here.... I have to say that association with twi has not seemed to have helped you develop into a decent Christian... all of the scriptures learned, and all of the sit, all of the biblical principles, and yet look at what you manifest.... You have slapped the lable christian on yourself , and yet your behavior here has been vile ....I see nothing Christ like in you, nor any example of God and his love. This would lead me to believe that twi was not a spiritually healthy environment even for those might THINK that they escaped unscathed with their fruit. Your behavior is a disgrace to the faith you profess.

Mo, I am so damned sorry that you have to defend yourself. Please know though that there are those that are reading that can finally put all of the pieces together and understand what a sneaky villains these guys were. What happened to your family at the hands of those who claimed to represent God...is deeply disturbing.... See .... I know, that it could have very easily been any one of us.....or our children...our lives.....it is nausiating to contemplate. Twi leadership knew ....they covered, they prevented the families from persecuting, they then moved a known pedophile to a new area .... unconcerned for the safety of mo her children, the rest of the children in their fellowship..the children of the people of the town ........ Twi was directly responsible for the destruction of these lives.

Thanks dear ((( oak ))) you are a gentleman. Allan, no cover for lonliness here....(hard to be lonely in a family of 9 living in a 1 bathroom home ;-) Very silly to try to tell folks here who are enjoying prosperous lives, full of God`s gracious goodness and blessings ... that it just ain`t so cause they aren`t doing it the way twi said we had to....lol

awww thanks (((Mr. Strange)))

Allan, that was a classy thing to say, I agree, I earnestly wish that there was some way that we could all make it right Mo. I have to say that many of us upon closer examination of the fruit that we left with, upon closer examination, decided that just past the shiney exterior, it was rooten on the inside, some pieces had worms. It was difficult to try to cut away the rot and find anything not tainted... God has provided healthy trees for us to partake of wholesom fruit.

I am so sorry that after sharing these incredibly difficult things that devistated your lives......(I wish that I could cross post this on to the lemonade thread and tell folks to add their sugar and try to make THESE lemons platable) But geeeze after baring your soul.....you have to put up with a damned idiot who insist on trying to point the finger of blame at you is reprehensible. (You utterly disgust me with your cruelty mj) It happened on the child abuse threads, it happened on the sexual abuse threads, the abortion threads...it will happen anytime someone steps up and exposes the evil that was the very foundation of twi..... If CW wasn`t here to back up your account, no doubt you would be termed a liar, but as it is, not being able to argue the content of you post... all one can do is try to attack you, try to somehow make you seem a little less credible. It is like somehow, if they can smear just a little mud on you, it will make what twi did a little LESS dirty. I can only thank you for your candor, it leaves no doubt to anyone as to the viscious nature of twi leaders...they KNEW damn it...and they covered...all the way up the way tree to vp.... You said it, and I believe that you are entirely correct, this is not the fruit born of a *healthy* tree.

Welcome brother speed....it makes a lot of sense now in hind sight. The viscious diatribes that lcm indulged in....certainly do not seem Godly.

I thank you Temple Lady, the picture you painted comes through in blinding flashing technicolor, and erases all doubt. The way tree did indeed bear putrid fruit :-( I am so damn sorry for the pain inflicted and the price you and your children paid. There is just no way to put a *positive* perspective on this....

I most CERTAINLY did NOT! And I CERTAINLY have NO control over what others write and further more, I CERTAINLY never gave any aproval of such tactics....PROVE IT! yeah right you can`t....Oh, and as far as them being my buddies? I only know one of those posters personally...............but hey, as long as anybody agrees with another posters pov? It`s a damned conspiracy right? You are a damned liar BMan, it is YOU who owe ME an apology, not that I`d expect any.

Garsh durn, there goes muh alabama eddycation shamin me agin....hyuck hyuck shur a wishin thet I kould be as smart as yu mr. B man...sigh Good thing that grammatical accuracy isn`t required to express ones self in these forums either :-)