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What Evan? There was more to the break than rising water? I have heard one network report that according to a lot of people trapped on some bridges..... that after the hurricane, the area wasn`t badly flooded.....that they then heard a massive exoplosion...and then the water began to rise, completely submerging the houses ..... they speculated that it was dynamited to sacrafice the poorer homes, thus saving the cities nicer neighborhoods.... Evan..PLEASE tell me that these folks were simply mistaken or that this is possibly more of the unsubstantiated rumors and rampant accusations that are flying around .....

Mr. Hamm...awww is there ANYTHING we can do to help get you there? I promise that we won`t change the location again without telling you :-(

Catcup, very eloquently put. I think that using honorable decent men and women to give the appearance of a legitimate Christian organization is one of the things that really upsets me. It makes me very angry to have our pure motives, our willingness to *give our utmost for his highest*...be the tool used to manipulate us into supporting and participating in great evil.... I cannot imagine that God is pleased with what we have done in his name.

I have a place for someone and their pet here...maybe two..if they don`t mond sharing a two bedroom moble home....I just don`t know how to get in contact with the people who can`t leave becasue they have nowhere to go with their animal.

I just wish I could communicate and coordinate with folks with a pets currently stuck in the city....and coordinate with someone to get them and their critter ou of there and to safety. We ought to be able to assist a few up here in Tennessee. I have friends who would take in pet owners...just don`t know how to communicate.

ok friends....it has been suggested that I get an idea of who is bringing what and let folks know what else is needed. Sudo is bringing stew Friday night: Anybody willing to bring dinner rolls and butter? I can make breakfast Saturday morning: Somebody could bring milk or juice..but not necessary... Is anybody bringing coffee supplies? Otherwise, I can... Saturday lunch? We could just have lunch meat and chips and stuff...kind of informal...any suggestions? Saturday night, I thought that it would be fun to have burgers and dogs at the campfire.... Can anyone bring buns and fixins (like ketch up mustard ..maybe somebody bring chips? Do we want breakfast sunday am? we can fix a big meal or just have donuts, oatmeal cereal and such. Can someone bring a sterio and some good music? How about things like hot chocolate and smore fixins for the fire friday night.... Is anybody willing to bring drinks? I intend on bringing enough to feed an army ... nobody will go hungry...but if anybod wants to help....these were some of my ideas..... Shell and bow are bringing paper products..

Guys, this may sound silly in light of all of the problems....but I just watched how the folks with pets won`t leave because there is no place to house them...these folks despreratly wanting to leave...but having no where to go.... Is there anyway to volunteer living space to folks with pets? I have an empty 2 br moble home and I have friends who would make room for a refugee and their pet as well. I know it is dumb in light of the magnitude of this tradgedy....but I understand not wanting to leave behind that soul who trusts you so implicitly...I guess I couldn`t leave either. Any ideas on how I could help these guys?

Wordwolf, that IS ominous in light of what we now know...shiver

Thankyou JKBoehme, it has taken over ten years to start putting the pieces together and begin to understand how wrong what happened is....your post articulates the methods of manipulation and control much clearer than I can. -----------------------------------------------

Good points brother speed. Thank you for your prayers, and know that you continue to be in ours.

((((Mo)))) he cannot be punishing you for that. Surely he wouldn`t be that vindictive? Wouldn`t he have to punish each of us that way? A lady once posted how she felt that damage sustained from her procedure and consequently being prevented from ever having children afterwards could have been her punishment. I had to point out that I had done the same evil thing...and yet had gone on to have children...he certainly wouldn`t deny her children and then allow me to have some for the same sin? I am just saying that I think God loves each of us a whole lot more than that. If he is capable of sorrow, I`ll bet he was right their crying with us each one of us as we submitted.

You do a pretty darned good job of putiing it into words CM.(edited for wrong initials lol) Thanks

Absolutely Danny, I have the same physical reaction myself at times, it can be like a kick in the stomache.... I wish the issues and ideas could be explored without having to get dragged off topic dealing with the finger pointing and attempts at recriminations.... I have to agree with Imbus somewhat, in that discussing this with the opposition, I am forced to logically consider what I believe and why...sometimes resulting in a much clearer pov. Sometimes the finger pointing and mischaracterization ends up goading me into spewing way more information than I would have normally divulged otherwise, forcing examination of some of one`s dirtier little secrets... I think this has to be part of the growing and healing process...if one has to spend all of your time trying to figure out how to defend the indefensible, I think that a person may end up being forever stuck in the quagmire of the warped perception of spirituality and the world that was presented in twi.

Thanks ((mark)) it is ok, it has been many years, what I wrestle with now is not so much what we did ....but that we were led to believe by ministers we trusted...that God required it...whatever it was they were demanding we do... Some folks were smart enough to see through the bs...I think maybe it had something to do with being very young and idealistic. Of COURSE I feel stupid and naieve now for allowing anybody to have that kind of authority and power over my life...

Oh gosh cm, that link was SO applicable, and I missed it. ALL you have to do is switch out armstrongs name and the name of his church and you have the pressures of twi. Thanks friend. It is amazing what one will do to avoid risking the displeasure of God and dissapointing of ones spiritual leaders....and it seems to be a fairly common occurance....the former jw`s say it is the same for them as well. I think it is really despicable to envoke the threat of God to assure compliance. I think about the intrusion into our personal lives, unpardonable by any standard , yet sop because they had the authority of their position as ministers of God. The finances inspected, grown adults having to submit requests to go on vacations with every detail of who what where staying complete with phone numbers. Who we lived with....gosh I was ordered to move out of my Mom`s house where I was working and saving money (I wanted to go in the corpes) at leaderships demand, and with the roomate they chose. I was required to sell my two horses, place my two dogs in homes, ordered to cease bringing the sick animals home from the pet store to nurture, ordered to stop humane society and sheriffs dept activities. My tc even demanded that I sell him my car for a rediculously low sum before I went wow...damn him (I loved that car and had had it since high school) I ignored my mothers pain and refused to go to my grandmothers funeral, Turned my back on all friends and family who didn`t want the word None of these were things that I particularly wanted to do, some were devistating, but was strong armed into compliance, because it was deemed that it was as necessary if I wanted to be my *best for God*. This was happening in the late 70s early 80s, it was completely beyond reason in the 90s. CM your posts are beautifull, thankyou.

True Goey, and once again we are dragged off track ...

Oh gosh wolf and cm, that is so applicable...all you have to do is change the names of the founder and the church and you have twi down to a t. This oughtta be on the gun thread....oops it already is ...lol

Agreed Belle, there are three churches up in columbia that offer free karate lessons several nights a week in a recognised traditional style....The program is called Karate for Christ. It is a great activity that appeals to young folks , bible is taught principles are learned and understood and applied.

Thanks (((Mr.Hamm))) you *get* it. It wasn`t about abortion right or wrong or what we wanted or what God needed. It was about a minister/councelor commanding that it be so. To disobey was unthinkable........ing off God was a whole lot scarier prospect than a loaded gun pointed at our heads.

(((mo)) I am sorry, I understand... I never thought of my child being there when I get there....how do you apologise for a thing like that?

the context of what you wrote was that the women A) REALLY wanted the abortion B) It was a noble thing to do in light of our commitment to God C) TWI was doing us a favor All of which has nothing to do with being pressured to chose between God or our baby.

What about money used to support the wife and family of a convicted child sex offender while he was imprisoned? Was it you cw who told us this? What catagory would you place this under?

damn right mo....twi paid anoutragious sumof money to have an info mercial produced and then paid BIG bucks to have it played on Terry Bradshaw`s *Pick of the week* pretending that it had been some big deal that they had been chosen for. There was a huge outcry to the network.... There is a thread about it in the archives. You might still be able to view it on twi`s web site.

WooHOO Belle! I will have a oven in my camper if you need one ...sticky buns sound great I brought my mom to the great northern weenie roast last month....she had a ball... I am sure that your folks will be warmly recieved.....

((((Bliss)))) bless your heart, ain`t it a kick in the pants....to find out twi has actually been a detriment to us doing our brotherly spiritual duty all of these years? What HAS twi ever REALLY done for anyone?