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It wouldda been fun to murmer conspiratorily to him...yeah me TOO...can`t you just feel how spiritually *off* they are when you run accross em?

Oh dear bro speed, that is intense...how is your dear wife?

Woohoo! our first official participant in the great FIFTH annual greasespot weenie roast!!! Look forward to it bro speed....in the mean time we will try to accomodate you with photos... Maybe if we asked REALLY nice ...we can talk Pawtucket into making us another movie?...we could send a cd to bro speed...

You bet bro speed. Weenie roasts ARE fun....and the great thing about them is....they are annual!! You can come next year! We will reserve a special spot for you ok?

Hello Samurai! Welcome to greasespot...sorry to spoil your monday ...lol You are absolutely correct...the love we recieved, our standing in the body was directly related to how well we preformed...did we bring newbies to twig? did we have someone for each class...how many times wow ...adv class corpes? Felt safe?? you bet...but absolutely miserable :-(

I want to see the 1) The smithsonian 2) Anastazi dwellings in Colorado 3) Dinosaur national monument in SD 4) The Grand Canyon 5) Whitewater rafting down the colorado river 6) Ride the entire Apalation trail on horseback and camping. More to come...have to load a semi truck this morning.

I think you underestimate posters here ex 10. How are we going to get answeres if we don`t ask questions to clear up our previous misconceptions? It shouldn`t be percieved as flaming or crucifying to ask questions in order to get a clearer understanding and clarification before relaxing our skeptisism.

It doesn`t sound like you really wanted to hear what anyone else thought... just wanted someone to simply agree with you James. As far as groups that could help...Twi had many claim to be *delivered* from homosexuality and lesbianism....thing is most (all that I knew) returned to this lifestyle after a while... Most folks, it would seem, just learned to hide it well (even from themselves) ...so even groups that claim to *deliver* from this ... appear to have only temporary results. I am not at all convinced of your assertion that lesbianism = sin = physical sickness = need for deliverance..... Aproaching it and her from that point of view would be a serious misrepresentation of God ... and could quite concievably create a HUGE stumbling block...effectively forever alienating her from the love of God. Your responsibility is to give a fair and accurate representation of God and his love for her....the deliverance is between those two.

James, Contrary to the *nothing* you percieve in his -post....Satori made a very good point, ie that POSSIBLY some of the ideas concerning lesbianism and the necessity of them needing *deliverance* aquired ..even as enthusiastically as they were enacted in twi ..... are questionable. I don`t think that you can link her lesbianism to physical ailments....anymore than you can link vp`s cancer to his sins....ie fornication, adultery, abuse OR ...any more than you can attest that yours or my LACK of sickness is due to some virtue that we posess...ie we aren`t gay...so we are allowed to be healthy. Sickness being due to sin is as antiquated a notion as the necessity of sacraficing the chickens to appease the angry spirits... Other wise everybody we know that is nice would never get sick and every sinner would be immediatly struck down with the suffering of a debilitating crippling illness.... You want to be a genuine Christian brother??? one honestly representing God the loving heavenly father????....then the ONLY right that you have .... the only responsibility that is yours....is to just LOVE her with the love of God, pray for her, share scripture together ....anything else and you are sticking your nose where it doesn`t belong, imo.... Let God work in her heart and mind concerning what she needs *deliverance* from... It is a personal thing between her and God....

THAT sucks eagle....this physically sickens me. What unbelievabl cruelty .... keeping dear friends seperated in ones final days....denying what littl measure and peace and comfort that you physical presence could have provided to a dying person in their last hours... Good lord, I am agahst at the control and power that we allowed twi to have over our lives...I don`t know any other group on this planet that would have been this vindictive.... You know DAMN well that is what it is...they had the power to hurt ... the power to deny that which would have brought peace....and they exercised it.... Damn em...there is NOTHING regarding Godliness or common decency that resides within them .. Viscious ...cruel.. childishly vindictive...uncaring..... Yeah RIGHT I can just see evidence of your so called *truth* just oozing from your slimey, seared, corrupted, sleazy souls ....

I wonder if twi was simply afraid to allow anyone attend. Goodness if innies see that outies are still alive, successfull, loving...see their old frineds are still the great folks they always were....it would certainly dispell a lot of the myths surrounding ones fate after departing twi....pieces might start falling into place. I don`t think that innies could have handled it.

I agree with act 2 ... Thankyou wordwolf, I remebered this book as read through my young foolish eyes....sigh I absolutely do not remember it being so transparent, so insipid or so self agrandising. I wonder how much of twi classes and books were in reality as pathetic as this info mercial called twliv that I once thought so marvelous.... I wonder if a lot of what we thought was so great .... was because we were TOLD it was great and because of our youth and foolishness....we accepted it as the only *truth* and *God`s best available*

Well...he n Dotsie were married in secret so he could play basketball...seems like he ALWAYS had secrets of one sort or another...Never one to play by the rules was he?

It`s funny how we believed that all of our studying made everything else that went on in twi ok.... It was like because we viewed ourselves as workman that needeth not to be ashamed....we had license and free rein to behave badly....without suffering the consequences of our behavior....

Arrogant, heartless, anal retentive, pompous self rightious pricks...... Amazing how HARD we worked to arrive so far from where we thought we were going...

(((((Hamm)))) To my shame me too....literally. Good points Mo, God showed vp and vp forgot the most important aspect of CHRISTianity I think in making Biblical research our entire focus....it became a distraction from our true duty and the activities that would have helped us mature as christians....almost a form of idolotry.

Hooray! There are a bunch of local folks putting together a hay/feed/medical run for a shelter in Hattiesburg! We already have enough for a semi, we have a truck and trailor available in b`mingham, but they don`t have a dot sticker for mississippi....dunno how hard the red tape is gonna be...but we are hoping that will come through rather than have to drave a flat bed ourselves from tenneessee. Anyway...thanks for the help guys, looks like things are starting to get a little better coordinated.

An organization that participation within distracted us from our true duty to God and to each other :-( Teachings though very religious sounding, once learned..... effectivly distanced us from God and the rest of the body of Christ.

Yeah, I think twi ended up being a big 15 yr plus detour in life from where I was supposed to go and what I should have been doing. It is amazing once back on track again how clear it all becomes. No, I would not go back for anything... and cannot think of any other path that my life could have taken would have been much less destructive.

You enjoyed access and were allowed to question ... even recieved an answere in return oldies while others were denied this priveledge. I will leave it to you to surmise why you consistantly recieved preferential treatment.

Well we all KNOW that your situation was very different from the common wafer oldies...you enjoyed access and priveleges that weren`t an option for most of us .....so your experience as it applies to the rest of us is really quite irrelevent. I saw/ heard with my own eyes vp incensed at a questioner....yelling deriding....People were thrown out of the research dept if their studies didn`t jive with current twi dogma....real open there wasn`t he? Amen Mr. Hamm...It takes time to get over the fear instilled by wrong teachings and false standards to get mad enough ....couragious enough to enact the necessary changes and step outside the little box that was our tiny little world.

Ev, you are absolutely above reproach in my opinion...so I will have to adjust my observations accordingly. Prior to you, my experience with reading what participants of momentus have written has been disturbing. Their common theme seems to be.... any who are angry over the deception and betrayal of twi, the treatment of our brothers and sisters are indulging themselves as perpetual victims and simply need to move on. To me...my perception...and I AM willing to concede that I might be mistaken.........but it smacks of the same old arrogance of...*I* am now ok..it is YOU who have a problem.... Ev, maybe I am judging the program unfairly, based on the behavior of a few after their completion...John Lynn`s letter previously posted just irritates the hell out of me...real easy for HIM to say stop being a victim, eat the fish spit out the bones...he wasn`t at the bottom of the food chain in twi. His issues are very different.... I just know that aside from you and ex 10, the description given by folks who participated in this program make my skin crawl.

LMAO ... like a normal peon could get access to the great mog....you know damned well what happened to the few that actually questioned him....roflma...they were soundly castigated for questioning the great mog. I`d like to know of a single instance where he took the time or effort to actually consider and answere a doctrinal question....I know of many MANY instances where people were the object of the mog`s rage for daring to question, and humiliation in front of everyone present....and no he never answered the question.

Yeah, and BECAUSE we supposed and trusted those scriptures to lead us to eternal life...I think that we were actually distracted from the what we actually needed to do in order to be those spiritual Christians that we were striving to be. I think many of us were more focused on the creation than the creator.

Naaah, not confused about my brothers and sisters... I said *not a whole lot of genuine love* (not that there wasn`t any) Oldies...You gotta admit, that most of the *love* in twi ended the first time you refused to obey an order from a leaders.......or if you didn`t get somebody in the next class .... or didn`t enroll in the next program...didn`t accept assignments, didn`t write loyalty oaths....didn`t tithe enough...refused to service vp or lcm upon demand... EVEN the pure hearts and motives of the twig level (mine included) generally ceased as soon as you were m&a... I have learned since leaving twi, that conditional love ....is not genuine. A very poor substitute from Jesus` admonition to Love God and love your neighbor... I think that our *ever studying* turned out to be a distraction from our primary responsibility...