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Too bad they can`t afix it too their avatar....It must make you SO proud

Yeah but you gotta admit that WIERWILL sure the heck did! hmmmm wierwille exhibits an alarming number of *fleshly* traits.... He indulges himself in unbridled lust, uncontrolled adiction, and incapacitating alcoholism. He REPEATEDLY destroys innocent believers lives... His doctrines caused the death of many believers.... All of this AFTER he was supposedly born again???? Sorry, I don`t see the evidence of fruit .....nor have I ever heard of him describing the experience the new birth..... I don`t think he understood it, I think that he believed that his formulas and knowledge would get him there.....obviously, he was mistaken....or he couldn`t have been so calloused in his destruction of Christians.

Bout sums it all up don`t it temple lady?

Woooah...wait a miniute here.... Consider THIS ....tha Paul committed those heinous acts BEFORE.. BEFORE.. BEFORE .... the life impacting experience that changed him from a Christian killing religious zealot to the power filler Christian who impacted so many lives in the name of God !! LCM and VPW were BOTH supposedly born again Christians BEFORE they vilely betrayed and destroyed so many Christians lives. Paul did it BEFORE he was born again...with no spirit of God within him....the actions were unthinkable after he was changed..which leads me to wonder how on EARTH a genuine Christian could have so heartlessly destroyed so many, as was sop for twi leaders... Just one more thing that makes you go hmmmmmm

Just so everyone knows that those opinions are coming from a known busted liar.

No oldies, what`s NOT tollerated is a lying little punk, who enjoys stirring up trouble no matter whom they hurt in the process. Not suprising that the resident vpw fan club condones and supports his cruel behavior.

Troll merit badge, lol Well seeing as it has come to my attention that ck lied to stir up trouble between posters who weren`t present in chat....I guess I don`t believe a word of his posts....his veracity and integrety and credibity have been flushed straight down the toilet .....

Ending your post with that tag line Harsh? Disrespectfull?? How about just plain Cruel buddy?? What an outstanding endorsement of WHY twi doctrine is so very toxic. You just plain don`t give a damn who you hurt. Just one more bully.

Your calloused disregard for the pain you chose to inflict with that tag line , makes me very sad. You completely disregard the 2nd great comandment Jesus spoke of and I have hereby lost all respect for you.... Further more...This shows just exactly how far adherance to twi dogma will take you away from basic human decency and compassion :(

Ok, I am sorry....it just angers me so much that those *some errors* or *sins* or *slips* when referring to vpw`s atrocities, that people are willing to so blythly dismiss were in truth the very hearts and LIVES of our precious brothers and sisters being so casually destroyed, at times with a single minded visciousness that would make the most evil of unbelievers heads spin. It`s like saying that our friends were unimportant ....praise God!

Thank GOD for vpw? Do you guys who insist on waving this banner ...have an OUNCE of compassion living within you???? Come ON....think about it......You presume thank GOD for the man who PERSONALLY destroyed lives of people who read and post here????? ...A man who PERSONALLY raped our teenaged sisters while they were drugged...some of whom are present here..... HOW in the He ll do you think it feels to read this ...knowing what how vile he personally was..... to see people praising and thanking God...GOD ALMIGHTY!!!! The God who is supposed to tenderly love, care for protect and guide each and every one of us......to praise him for the man who personally betrayed and destroyed their lives, their hopes, their families and their dreams???? The man who promised them that IF they would simply trust him ....he could show them ALL answeres to life and Godliness.....They dared to trust him..... People who had already been delt devistating blows their entire lives....Jeeemany.....they dared hope just one more time......they dared let down their guard ...believing that this man would heal their pain with the information he promised to give :( .... His betrayal was by far the worst and most far reaching.....because not ONLY is our trust shattered...not just in a man, a minister and teacher...betrayed.....but has succeded in having shaken and even destroyed our very faith and foundation in a God who could purportedly could LEAD us to be so abused. Our very ability to trust and rely on God has been destroyed. Iin many cases...the last hope and refuge for peace and solace....has been utterly and completely shattered. Damn it....THINK about how you are callously reopening the wounds that vpw personally inflicted and how difficult it is to people here wh en you want to praise God and thank him for this f-cking monster....this destroyer of souls. YOU want to respect him?? Want to trust him, his veracity, give him the benefit of the doubt personally?? No problem, but you who wanna wave the *vpw is so great that nothing he did to you matters* banner...is it really necessary??? Sorry, really, but GEEZE have some decency please, and just consider that when you thank God for vpw out here in the public forums ... THINK about what that does to your brothers and sisters right here living and present whom struggle with reconciling a God whom could be thanked as responsible for this man whom singularly dealt the most devistating blows to date in an already horrendously difficult life :( VPW is dead....damn it...but your brothers and sisters are right here present whom continue to be wounded by the very idea of associating God with, and assigning God as being responsible for their personal tormentor. If GOD called YOU to twi... then tell me who in the heck called those of us who were destroyed??? GOD???? Do those who endured the suffering need to thank God as being responsible as well?????Why would he love and teach you truth...but on the otherhand deal darkness suffering and pain to someone else ??? I don`t believe for one second that he called you to be blessed and so many others to be betrayed and hurt much deeper than the most rankest of unbelievers out in the world could possibly consider .....plain and simple <_<

Some pics . . .

Thanks cool chef...everything is going beautifully....(I am almost giddy with relief :) ) I had a chance to look...it is a colt (boy) Just wanted to share my joy and thanks for answered prayers.

The foal is health and strong...he/she? is eating and mama is going to be a good one. I should have figured when the baby wasnt even out all of the way and they were talking so sweetly to one another softly nickering...touching noses...What a special treat to be there :)

Well what EVER camp I fall into.... I think an awfull lot of each of you guys. Each and every one of you provide a unique perspective and different piece of the twi puzzle for me. Thank you all :)

For those of you who prayed for my horse, Thank you! Apparently the fescue grass was eliminated from her system to the point of it not being issue... Mama produced a healthy huge baby at 3:30 am. We are in love :) Mama and baby are fine....but she isn`t letting it nurse...a grave concern....a necessity in the first hour after birth Anybody awake at this hour willing to offer some prayers on behalf of the little sweetie would be apreciated :)

OK Jonny, I apologise for frustrating you....That certainly isn`t my intention ......Maybe you simply have a bigger picture than I do of greasespot and it`s impact on people. I would like to continue this discussion ....if possible without anger because I am genuinely interested in a honest view of what happened to us. If you do not want to...please....just ignore the rest of my post .... I love you too Jonny, and mean no disrespect to you personally in my struggle to come to grips with what twi was all about :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I do not understand what good it does ck or anybody else to pretend that vpw was a *nice* guy... I`d like to ask you though...at what point do you think vpw was *good*? I mean was it before pfal when he took credit for bg leanards class and ran it as his own? Was it before when he was a pastor that got fired for sexual impropriety with his church secretary? Was it before he snuck off to get married and kept it secret from their family for a year?....Was it before he was acting like the town show off and bully in high school??? I mean to me....it appears that he was always hurting somebody some way in order to achieve what he wanted.....

Dooj, please don`t worry....it isn`t so much about arguing about who is right or wrong, it is about questioning, exploring, understanding where/how/why things went wrong....it is about understanding and reconciling the past in order to avoid being vulnerable in the future. It is about growth and learning, about moving on ... Some times some of us (I am speaking of myself here) need conflicting perspectives to re evaluate our ideas to begin to climb out of those well worn ruts.....sometimes it is of greater imprtance than simply being nice and getting along to the individual. Please don`t be distressed....it isn`t personal. I LIKE Johnny ...else I wouldn`t value his imputs or thoughts...I would just put him on ignore :) Try not to see it as arguing or fighting....but a quest to understand....at least on my part. Edited to add....thank you btw for the compliment :)

JohnnyL, I guess that if I want to endeavor to be a decent Christian person myself... That even if right, if in trying to make my point, I have offended you who are brother, I am in truth wrong. This isn`t about arguing or slandering or attacking who is right or wrong for me.....but about trying to makes sense and reconcile the God that I want to know and understand verses the pain and devistaion experienced at his supposed ministers hands. Sometimes in wrestling with my own understanding, I inadvertantly offend others...my apologies.

ex 10 ...excuse me, but JL appears to be the one furious with folks who refuse to give vpw respect. I am curious ...questioning him as to the point he tried to make....I am trying to understand the because old testiment natural men sinned and were still worthey of praise....how that can figure with a man supposedly born again and of the spirit is held to the same standard.... People now have to choices...to live as a person of flesh...or a person of spirit..... Johnny wants us to believe that vpw was a spiritual man ...though by every measuring stick given in the scripture....vpw`s actions brand him as of th eflesh.... . I think that it is a very important point in understanding WHY vpw was able to teach the scriptures one miniute and visciously destroy at will any whom mildly displeased him the next .......shoot the bible says that it is easy even for the evil folks to be nice to people they like.... Why is it that OTHER Christians at the new birth are instantly delivered from alcoholism, from rage, from lying, from lust??? Why is it that at the new birth some people are affected in s deep life impacting way that makes actyions of the flesh abhorrant to them and not vpw? I personally believe that EVEN with his vast knowledge....he didn`t *get it* VPW, his actions, his cold calloused betrayal which I peronally find to be completely repulsive and contemptible.....and as such unworthey of respect in any form due to the havock he wreaked in my beloved brothers and sisters.... pure and simple.... JL, as an upstanding christian man of integrety of decency, of morality and of good character (no I am not being fascitious, I really mean this) wants to defend vp in the fact that he desires us to give him credit which is niether earned or due vpw as a false prophet and ravening wolf. I LIKE Johnny L, I RESPECT Johnny L, I believe Johnny L to be a a decent man .... but simply see him as honoring filth with his respect and that he appears to be angry with us for not sharing his pov....shrug. This is a discussion as to why I feel that vpw is unworthey of respect in any shape or form...Johnny L wants to list why he believes he is....I have no problem with that....but it is Johnny who seems to be mad here.

Brilliant Seth...Just brilliant It was all an illusion that we wanted so badly to believe that we tried to make it a reality :(

Johnny Lingo, does it make a difference that the gentlemen that you compaired vpw to were old testiment natural men? That they didn`t have the benefit of in spirit action to guide them? Why is it that you had the strength and integrety to turn the offers of sex down? What is the difference between you and vpw? I think that you are a fine man of character and integrety....I think that it is the spirit of God that rules within you....I think that you are defending a man who thought that his research skills and knowldege would get him there.....His course...his beliefs...instead made it ok that his personal satisfaction and sating of his lusts were of greater importance than the destruction of our sisters and brothers lives. Does THIS sound like the actions of a man of the spirit? A genuine minister? I think that you are too fine a man to be defending this filth.

BINGO! I don`t think folks WANT to remember .... It means coming to grips with being wrong about something that we were so passionatly sure of at one time.

Great suggestions Linda. From what you describe..... Jim is correct I believe, that Pumpkin has assumed the *alpha* dog role in your home. He has usurped your job because he doesn`t think that you are doing it....Jim is correct, he needs to be grabbed and pinned in a submissive position just like a pack leader would treat him, whenever he starts actiong dominant. Trust me, once you re establish pack hierarchy.... he will relax and let you guys handle the strange dogs and call the shots. A simple *no sweety* isn`t going to do it....lol Another necessity is daily walks to release that pent up energy and frustration...it can make all of the difference in the world. The BEST advice that I have to offer is.......Do you have satelite tv? Do you ever watch *The dog whisperer*? Ceaser Milan is terrific with these issues.....he has a web sight where you can order some GREAT videos that will help you understand your dog`s perception....they just plain don`t view the world like we do....and it is necessary to understand in order to address these issues.

Jealous??? For WHAT in God`s name??? The crap that was taught outta that place destroyed peoples lives....shiver ... I am overwhelmingly thankfull to be free from the bondage of the dogma that masqueraded as *the word* in twi.