bowtwi

It's good to hear all's well. Too busy sure beats not busy enough! Love ya!

Happy Birthday week, Dot!

Please don't think I'm singling you out in a negative way. I'm honestly simply asking questions here. Do you believe that Judas made it to heaven, but vpw didn't? Does that mean you believe that what vpw did was worse than what Judas did? I'm not sure I can word my question clearly enough, so please believe I'm really looking for answers, nothing more.

I'm wondering if the fruit of the spirit is what we display when we're walking by the spirit, as opposed to because we're born again. Maybe it's how we can see that someone is actually walking the talk. I'm thinking there might be a way to see who actually is born again and I'm not sure I believe that it's speaking in tongues. I don't believe it's being kind to others, as I'm sure there are atheists that are very kind to others as a normal part of their lifestyle. I'm also wondering what you think of Judas Iscariot - do you think he'll be in heaven? I'm going to ask my local pastor these questions too and see what his thoughts are.

The discussion on the latest forgiveness thread has got me to thinking about something I hadn't considered before. I still believe what we learned it twi, that once born again always born again, that we're born again of incorruptible seed. I still believe that Judias Iscariot is born again and was saved, that we'll see him in heaven. By this train of logic, I also think vpw and lcm were/are born again and all hell can't stop them from heaven like I learned in pfal. Does anyone have any good reason to believe otherwise? (I'd have put this in the doctrinal forum, but I think it might be more appropriate here, so if it needs to be moved, I'll look there if I don't find it here. )

It appears that my lengthy post with quotes and comments here disappeared into cyberworld somewhere. I haven't time to go back and redo it all, so here's the short version. Oldies - you accused rascal of being a liar back on page 29 or so of this thread. Wordwolf proved you wrong in your jumping to that conclusion and graciously showed the posts to back it up. You then came in (on a Sunday, no less, very unusual for you) and went on as if none of that was posted. Please go back and read at least posts 585,586, 589, and 591 BEFORE you come asking rascal to answer anything for you, especially a question that asks her to repeat things she's already clearly said at least a few times that I know of. At the very least you owe her an apology for calling her a liar when she clearly did not lie. Wordwolf - Thank you for your evenhanded clear explanations. Your posts are nothing short of brilliant.

I'm thinking the Soap Opera - reminds me of that show - As the Stomach Turns.

The scariest part I see here is that this man seems to have thought that if he could have gotten your consent to take who he thought was your underage daughter and have sex with her, that you wouldn't have been able to report him, cause you'd be as guilty as he. Smacks so much of the lockbox crap of the way. Fortunately, you didn't go along with his plan. Fortunately, you were smarter than he figured you'd be so you didn't become his accomplice. Who knows how far he would have gone if he thought you'd allow it? You have other, younger daughters... This is such a huge example of how very diligent we have to be with our precious children these days. It's not just the supposed Christian leaders, it's people in positions of authority anywhere, everywhere. It's even women teachers molesting young boys who think they're big macho studs by getting physical with the "hot babe" teachers. As the mother of an 11 year old, this stuff scares the hell out of me. I appreciate the reminder to remain ever watchful more than I can express.

I just did a quick google search on statuatory rape laws in TN Here's what I found right off the bat: Statutory rape is now defined as unlawful sexual penetration between the defendant and victim when the victim is between thirteen and fifteen years old and the defendant is four years older or when the victim is between fifteen and eighteen years old and the defendant is five years older. Mitigated statutory rape occurs when the victim is between fifteen and eighteen years old and the defendant is between four and five years older than the victim. Aggravated statutory rape occurs when the victim is between the ages of 13 and 18 and the defendant is at least 10 years older. (Tenn. Code Ann 39-13-506 2006) I'm aware that your daughter is 19, so a legal adult. The point as I see it is that this guy wanted her thinking she was under 18. IF she had been under 18 and IF you had consented to her becoming "his lady" and they had sex, this law would apply. Minors can not consent to sex legally. Parents can give consent for their children to marry, but then they're no longer considered minors and sex between them and their lawful spouse would be legal. The scenario he was trying to get you to allow would be illegal. That is immoral and not respectable, no matter how you look at it, and the fact that he's a high-ranking whatever, just makes it worse.

I feel like commenting on so much of this incident. First off, this supposedly respectable man is no better than vpw was in my opinion. This old guy looked on your sweet daughter with lust, then had the audacity to approach you for your consent for him to take her for "his lady"? Doesn't "his lady" mean he wants her for his own, as in sexually? He didn't ask you for your permission to ask her hand in marriage, which would have still been out of line, but not quite as revolting as to say he wants her for "his lady". Didn't he say when you asked how old he thought she was that he thought she was 16 or 17? Here in America, sex between a 60 year old and a minor (16 and 17 year olds are considered minors in America) IS ILLEGAL. People that get caught doing that end up on sexual predator lists for the remainder of their lives. THIS MAN you're trying to find good in is a pig. He may be a high ranking black belt pig, but he's a pig nonetheless. He's every bit as disgusting as vpw from what I see of this story. This man is NOT MORAL, is NOT UPSTANDING, is NOT BEYOND REPROACH. Yes, he DID DO SOMETHING TECHNICALLY WRONG - He is in America where it is ILLEGAL and IMMORAL and PUNISHABLE BY IMPRISONMENT followed by LIFELONG REQUIRED REPORTING OF WHERE THEY LIVE - FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES. That's because what they do when not watched at least that closely is they OFFEND AGAIN AND AGAIN - in this case the offense is sex with minors. That his wife recently left him doesn't give him any leeway to maybe just sort of test the waters and see how you would react. Apparently he figured there was at least a 50% chance that you'd allow him his revolting request. This man's wife probably left him for a good reason. I wouldn't be surprised if she became aware that he was interested in sex with children and was mortified, because it IS THAT OFFENSIVE. THIS MAN is at least a wannabe pedophile, if not a pedophile that simply hasn't been caught YET. This guy being a "respected guest instructor" puts him in that same place of authority over you, your kids that are in the program - everyone in contact with him in the scenario you describe. This is the exact same thing as the leaders of twi forcing our sisters in Christ to have sex with them that you're shouting from rooftops against. I pray that you told your husband about this and he doesn't think the best thing to do is consider what's going on in this guy's life and figuring he's not technically doing anything wrong and concluding that there's no danger here. At this point he may not molest your child, and I do thank God for that, but I see no reason to think he won't move on to another innocent young girl and hope for a different answer from her mother. I pray that mother will call the law in and stop him before he actually does make physical contact with his intended.

I wouldn't trust you if you told me it was sunny outside. I'm so very sick and tired of people making stupid attempts at humor when the subject is so serious. It's insulting and annoying.

"Young sex"? Young sex is two consenting young people engaging in sex with each other - BOTH CONSENTING. Or possibly it could be a new sexual relationship that's young as opposed to having been together sexually for decades. Cult leaders having sex with their congregation is not sex. It's rape or molestation, at the very least. Regardless, it's abuse and just plain wrong. Hmmm, the young girls and women that were raped, molested, (or coerced into servicing who they thought was like kings of old in God's eyes) being left to wish they were dead after the sex was quite possibly as bad as actually being killed, if you ask me. The ones that were marked and avoided, stripped of their families and friends in the ministry, declared "possessed as a new boot in hell" were just as destroyed as if they had been killed outright, only the pain didn't end for them as it would have if they had been literally killed. What vpw, lcm and untold others did to countless girls and women is no comparison to young sex. Do you have any idea what it's like to carry that with you throughout the rest of your life? Evidently you don't have a clue. Even with the best counseling and tender loving care, it's difficult to make it through days sometimes. But to have someone throw out a remark like that in a thread like this is insulting to everyone who reads it. Knock off the insults to our intelligence, will you please?

Hmmm... I tried clicking on the black boxes and nothing happened. Then I copied and pasted www.firebrand.com into my browser and got a total black page. I guess I don't need to see it after all - lol. I'm out to shovel the driveway anyway, really could use to do that before it gets dark out...

FL is like OH that way, WG. I'm glad to learn that not all states make the family pay like that.

I don't know of a program or tool that will stamp a electronic doc in RED that it is Recieved. I did a quick Google search and didn't see anything that looks like what you're asking for. I do know of a program that will let you see when e-mail you've sent has been opened. http://www.msgtag.com/home/

I've looked at this thread 3 times now and all I see are 2 black squares - nothing to click on.

Cool - what a great idea! Nicely done, too! YID & Kit - I'm glad to see that donating one's body to science can be done without added expense to the families. That's awesome!

Three words - YOWZA! Thanks y'all! :blink: :unsure:

I received this video and am stunned at what I hear here. It's almost 2 hours long, but if you click on the link and look to the right of the page, there are shorter videos with the main points in case you haven't got the time to stay for this entire one. I'm posting this here in the Open forum because I for one would probably never notice it if someone else had posted it in the Political forums... I'm seriously curious to know if anyone here has studied this subject and if so, what conclusions have you arrived at? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173&q=Freedom+to+Fascism&total=910&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

Dahlink, you look mahvelous!!!! Nico too, of course. So often these kinds of pics have wa-a-a-ay too much of Santa in 'em and not enough of the babies, so it's refreshing to see your great enthusiasm and what cutie patooties you and Nico are! This is definitely in my top 3 favorite Christmas photos of 2007. Thanks for posting it!

#2 Someone claimed a genuine spiritual suspicion that my teenage son and I were homosexuals. Someone said my son was a "homo". Then they said I was a lesbian. Neither was true. I would've loved my son all the same if he were, but the fact is we're both heterosexual.

Happy Birthday!

Happy Birthday, Golfie! Miss you, Bowtwi

Happy Birthday, Dear Temple Lady - hope this next year is full of great fun for you!!!