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#1 in English and Chemistry, eh? With that you can rule the world!!! I'm impressed and glad to hear about this! Who knew that behind that dancer extraordinaire lurked such a scholar??? Can't wait to see what Nathan does next! You're A Good Man, Charlie Brown!

Oh ---- yeah!!!!

Don't Leave Your Records In The Sun

Well, now we know that when the male version of this comes around, that the star is our very own rhino!!! Remember folks, we knew him when...!

Happy Birthday, Darlin! I hope it's peaceful and fun - just like you - and that you get to do whatever you'd like to today. Love you, Bow & the princess

Try Me One More Time

Nope, don't know it. Thanks for the second line tho, dooj.

A couple of my favorites songs for your listening pleasure today. (You probably saw this first one coming...) I hope today brings you what you'd like it to.

Ha ha, Steveo - perfect response! I did hesitate about a half-second before posting such a link. I figured if it didn't offend me, annieone it did offend would close the window as soon as they were offended. The lady that sent it to me is 71 or 72. PurpleD - Yeah, I figure she's got some fancy glove or sleeve of some sort on that right hand. Whatever it is, it works great!

Can we get the second line? I have a bit of a possible song in my head, but don't want to google and disqualify myself. :blink:

The e-mail I got this in said it was a show in Montreal. I hope that narrows it down enough for you. I don't know. I keep trying to watch the inside of her wrists, but somehow I keep getting distracted... Your mom's 89? God bless her! Happy Mother's Day, Rottie's mom!!!

You're right, waysider - your turn!

Not for kids. http://users.skynet.be/pdauwe/ursula_martinez.wmv

I keep a close watch on this heart of mine

I think God has called us to peace and would not have u to be ignorant. I think He loves us with a deep and unending love. I think He wants us to prosper and be in health even as our souls prosper. I think God is perfect and He changes not. I think that until Christ returns men (and women) will continue to do our best sometimes and sometimes we won't. I think God knows that too. I had a real tough time deciding to divorce my ex-husband because I had vowed a vow before God and I was seriously committed to that vow. If divorce was sin, as lcm shouted as he looked me right in the eye as I pondered this decision, then God must not have called me to peace. Maybe I could continue to stay in a marriage that had changed significantly over 14 years, such that I believe would have eventually prevented me from growing any further with God, or I could be honest and face the fact that the marriage was over. My ex was doing things that seriously hindered my growth and safety. He was committed to continuing those things. It came down to a choice between 2 equally scary possibilities: I could stay married and miserable or I could divorce and have a shot at the life I believed God called me to. It's been over 15 years now and I've never married again, as I've never trusted another individual with my heart to the degree marriage would require. I don't expect I ever will. I think to marry again without that level of trust would be sin. My bottom line is I don't think God is nearly as black and white a thinker as twi said He is. I've been a parent for almost 30 years now and I love my kids more than that - surely God loves us more than I love my kids!

9 to 5 by Dolly Parton.

Please consider that it just might be inappropriate for a 50-year-old married male minister to be alone in his pj's in a bed lying next to a 20-year-old congregant after he gave her alcohol knowing she was underage.

My mom called that dancing around in the kitchen "ditty boppin" I was ditty boppin right along with you, mstar - what fun selections!

Sky was 20 years old at the time. The legal drinking age in Ohio was 21 at the time. What part of contributing to the delinquency of a minor are you missing here?

Maybe. But she also describes how uncomfortable she felt, despite telling him no. He was a grown man of 50-some years. It was around 1972. She was a young lady of 20. Was the legal drinking age 21 in that state in 1972? The girl was 20. Do you feel it's appropriate for a 50-some year old married man to drink with a single 20-year old lady? Not to mention the fact that he was her highest human authority - supposed man of God? Here is the part of sky's post that tells me it was inappropriate for a 50-some-year-old married FOUNDING PRESIDENT and minister - highest rank there is in the system of the way givng alcohol to an impressionable young lady AFTER the branch leader and his wife went to bed. If it was innocent, why not ask for the backrub in front of them or ask of one of them for a backrub, better still, as they were Corps grads? The bolding is mine to be sure it catches your attention. Sky wrote: ... we (the branch leaders, Dr W and myself) ended up in the kitchen talking. Dr was drinking drambouie (sorry, I don't know how you spell it) and he asked me how old I was. I told him and he said, "well, you're old enough to drink some of this" and he got up and poured me some. We all talked and sat for a while longer, and then the branch leaders excused themselves and went to bed. Dr W then asked me if I would give him a back rub and I said,"sure". He told me to wait til he got into his pajamas (he was given the master bedroom and the branch leaders were sleeping in the bedroom of one of their kids). When he was finished putting on his pajamas he called me in and he laid down on the bed and I began to rub his back. He would tell me what part to rub and then he asked me to rub his "buttocks" as he put it. I did and he asked me if it made me feel uncomfortable to do that. I lied and said no. But even though it did make me feel uncomfortable, I didn't really think too much about it, because after all, this was the man of God of the world and I must have just been being uptight. Finally he asked me to stop and lie down next to him. I did. He put his arm around me and he just began to talk about different stuff. I really have no idea what we talked about. I was very nervous and thought this was very weird, but I was trying to act like it was nothing and that I was so spiritual, and I could handle it, and all the garbage that goes through one's mind, when, deep in your spirit you KNOW God is telling you to get out of there but you don't, because, what if he really IS the man of God of the world, yada, yada, yada. It doesn't take very long in the Way to become numb to common sense.

Hey Garth, Do you have a bongo playing smiley?

I'll answer your question after you answer waysider's and mine. Decently and in order.

Yes, Oldies, you're starting to 'get it'! This is wonderful! It is always absolutely inappropriate for a married man minister/authority figure to give alcohol to a 20-year-old girl who is in his congregation and then ask her to give him a backrub. She didn't say she was a licensed massage therapist, did she? With his history it isn't hard to see that he was testing the waters with this girl and this time, thank God, he chose not to push her past her limits. Why didn't ask the branch leader's wife, or better yet, the male branch leader for this backrub if it was so innocent - you know, so as to avoid the appearance of evil and that the ministry be not blamed...? Also, she states she was uncomfortable, nervous, it was weird, she felt later that God was telling her to get out of there. No, she did not FREELY give that backrub. Please go back and carefully read her description and come back and tell me you still see that as freely giving a backrub. Please.

I pray Sand&a's family never had to hear false accusations against her and that they enjoy their memories of her. I'm so sorry for the pain she had to be in to make such a decision and that there was nobody she felt she could trust to help her through healing from the abuse she survived in twi. Rest in peace, dear daughter of the most high God. I believe that one day Jesus will come back and take you to be with him and God for all of eternity. Rest well, dear girl.

O.k. Shiftthis, I'll take a shot at clearing this up a little bit for you. Once upon a time, I too believed that "I AM THE WAY MINISTRY and so is anyone else who comes to fellowship, there is NO ministry without those of us who come to fellowship!!! We are THE WAY MINISTRY!!!" as you put it. The fact is that even after my 15 years of faithful service, I'm not welcome at the way and I did nothing to be unwelcome about, nor did thousands of others. I also believed Howard Allen when he said there were no strangers at the way and that we'd ALWAYS be welcome at HQ. All of a sudden after 15 faithful years with the way, I was told not to come to HQ after my son and I'd been marked and avoided. I was told there were armed guards there with pictures of me and my 13-year-old son and we would not be allowed on grounds. This was the first I'd heard of any accusation against us EVER. There was no coming to us with 2 or 3 witnesses. There was no wise counsel offered us for our supposed crime. I was told we were devil-possessed and not allowed to even go fellowship somewhere that wasn't in-residence, which is where we were thrown out from. We were thrown out as soon as I was told about the accusations, which were false, by the way. I was given one hour to pack up and leave "their " campus - told this by Paul Mosqueda, the family corps coordinator at the time. He told me to go to town and get my "piece of dangt" son from the school and other things I can't repeat right now. When I called HQ and asked to speak with lcm in an attempt to get to the bottom of the obvious mixup that accused us falsely, I was given to Michael Fort, the then-trunk coordinator, who told me about the armed guards and told me to go find a good counselor somewhere, that the way wasn't a teaching, fellowship and COUNSELING ministry, in such a mocking tone of voice I'll never forget it. He had once been someone I considered a wonderful example of a man of God. All of a sudden he told me I wasn't welcome at the way. He told me to call back in 3 months and let them know what I'd done to rectify the homosexuality in myself and my son (which was nonexistent). After 3 months I called back, really looking forward to being allowed to attend twig again and was told that my name was on a list and that I was to write HQ, not call them, and then they would decide after reading what I wrote if I would be allowed back to twig. Clearly, no matter what I wrote, it wouldn't have been good enough. Fortunately, I noticed that at the time and didn't waste my time trying to figure out what the heck they wanted to read. But it took years for me to stop hoping that was them every time the phone rang, telling me they figured out their mistake and we could come back to twig. Years, I tell you. So no, maybe nobody physically forced me to do anything but leave the Indiana campus, which is a whole other talk show, but I was absolutely controlled by them for quite some time, even after I physically left the way. What gives me the right to post this stuff is it's MY story - so it's mine to tell. You have the right to skip over it and not read it. By the way, I was in the way for 15 years. It was almost 5 years later that I discovered Waydale and that's the first real support I ever got and man, it was GOOD. When GreaseSpotCafe opened, it continued the fine work and you can see by the people that come back here day after day, we must be getting something out of it. I, for one, really don't appreciate you accusing the GS population of making up stories that are untrue. Nobody here said you and other people in twi are evil, we've talked about leadership that abused the followers. We also discuss the hope of the abusers to face what they've done and who they've done it to, and sometimes you'll even see a post where someone hopes and prays the abuser will repent and move on with their lives too. I understand it's a tough read some days, but I suggest you go back and apologize to those you've insulted and accused of lying. And as others have suggested to you around here, please read more and post less until you get a good solid understanding about what people have been through at the hands of twi leadership. Lastly, this is a web site designed for the "other side of the story" to be told about twi. It's not the way's site, designed to make the way look good. It's a place where we who've experienced the ugly side can vent and meet up with others that have been impacted by the way. It's not a Christian site, either. I too wonder if you tithe or ABS to twi and if so, is it 10%? 15%? 18%? Do they still say the tithe is out of style as it was what the OT believers gave, that as believers in the Grace Administration, how much more we should be giving? And, if I may ask, where does the money go? Does it further the outreach of the word? Does it help the widows and the needy in twi - or are the widows and needy still discarded like Mrs. Wierwille was?