JavaJane

I think I mentioned this before in an earlier thread... I once overheard the head of International Outreach (a J*** R*******) say that the reason Japanese people couldn't say the letter "r" was because their mouths were made differently than everyone else's. He almost implied it was a defect. I kept thinking - this guy is in charge of INTERNATIONAL OUTREACH? And he doesn't understand that certain languages don't have certain sounds in them? And he actually thinks it is a PHYSICAL difference that causes this? I bet he can't roll his rrrrrrrrrs or pronounce an umlaut. Most people cannot pronounce sounds that are outside of the languages they have been exposed to during early childhood because our brains are wired for language at young age. To be ignorant of this AND be in charge of anything to do with International Outreach is just plain... ignorant.

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I don't seem to remember that class really covering extramarital sex at all... But when I took it I was a bit distracted by an accidental injury and ER visit the first day of class... We tried to cancel, but the coordinator convinced us it was better to hear da wurd than have me rest that night. I do remember something about only touching a girl where her soccer uniform didn't cover?? And Excathedra, you are most welcome!

Yes, now. Not before the lawsuits... Not before WayDale and GreaseSpot... before that we were like sheep led to the slaughter. We didn't know, and the information was hidden. Now anyone who has access to the internet can find the truth - thanks to people like you, Excathedra!! Thank you for what you have posted here! It helped me to see what twi and VP were really like. Thank you so much! Without you, I would still be in it! Thank you, Pawtucket, for this site, and everyone who posts here who make the truth known!

It is so strange to me that they would encourage a secular "therapist" at all... for so long, anyone with any mental illness was just told to believe the word for deliverance - we don't need no stinking THERAPISTS! This could be interpreted as a sign they are coming out of the Medieval thinking about mental health, but I don't think so. Instead they are just using it as a method of manipulation to show that this guy has a problem... And that's why he's in therapy. I agree... he needs to go WITH HIS WIFE. I went through a year of therapy on my own after leaving twi. My husband and I went to several more months of therapy after that. Most of it had to do with things we had hung on to from the twi definitions of what a "good marriage" should be. We had a lot of redefining to do. We are now much happier individually and as a couple.

It fools the ones who want to be fooled.

As I have read the topic, I realize that I saw some of this stuff, too... and just chalked it up to people just being "not religious" or to just people being weird when I saw it. I did have one leader (a woman) who told me I should go "get my need met," but when I did (with a believer friend who was a good guy I had known for a long time) she got angry at me and told me that's not where I should have gone. But then she also told me that I shouldn't be messing around with unbeliever men. I was (to say the least) a little confused... and I'm not sure I want to know where she would have suggested I get that need "met." YUCK. [Gawd, I hope my mom isn't going to read this thread...]

Yes, very vey well said. I kinda wondered about Harve. He never gave me the creepy saccharin-fake-sweet vibe like the rest of them did. He should just get out. I bet he'd have some interesting stuff to say on here!

I think you could go to HQ and have them make you the official Way Ministry Guru of Ham... I'm sure they'd let you swear as much as you want! But HA really likes to thin the squirrels - you'd have to lose weight... Or they shoot your kind.

Wow, it actually has an uncanny resemblance!

"Then we had the BEST TIME living THE WORD!" (Right? I'm paraphrasing VP - it was something like that...) I'm sure he had the "best time" living "the Word." (Meaning, of course, the word according to the gospel of Vic) Now, where is that puking emoticon?

Thanks for the link, Waysider!

But if those innies are HERE on Greasespot reading these posts, some light of logic must have broken through the veil of illusion, right? Greasespot is forbidden. Someone has got to be questioning to be on the site at all - or they are being paid by twi to see what we're saying about them. These posts help people who are in. They helped me. They let me k ow that my questions and suspicions wre valid. And I first came here as an innie. Keep talking - those "guests" and "anonymous users" reading lurking down below need it!

what is the adultery paper? When did it come out?

I had the same impression that it was "common knowledge" and common practice, OldSkool.

Just curious... I had heard that Harve wanted to be put back out on the field because he was getting fed up with the beauracracy at HQ. He probably had an easier time getting out, right? (not that I'm a Harve-fan, or anything, but it seems like he left pretty quick from a pretty cushy situation.)

I was never in the Corpse (thank GOD!) and was just a regular old Advanced Class Grad when the whole "affair" stuff came to light with LCM. As I have read through the posts here on GSC, it is very evident that both LCM and VPW participated in these disgusting sexual practices and justified them by the teaching that "all the women in the kingdom belonged to the king." I also know that Rosie and the other BOT/BOD knew about these practices and did nothing, or condoned the practice. Some of the posts regarding this seem to indicate that a lot of people knew about this stuff, and that it was just "accepted" by people - on staff, in the corpse, etc... How many people on Staff knew about this? Was it kept hush-hush from the Staff that were Advanced Class grads and just kept in the WC household? I know of one WC woman who thought it was ok to please the MOG because she was single, and because Donna was her "friend"... not sure I would think that it would be a good thing to have sex with my friend's husband - but maybe that's just me. When this woman got married, she turned down Craig's advances and said that she needed to stay faithful to her husband... and that Craig agreed. I know they ended up on the field a few years later and then got canned. Was this something that was taught to the women during Way Corpse training? Or just to certain women? The mind reels...

Plus, unless Rosie is truly one of the undead, "life" won't be all that long... It's not like she'll live forever on the sheer force of her believing. Or will she? But then again, she has the young wife to think about.

no one wants to make a "negative confession!"

They have kids, raised in twi, who take the classes as new students. That's who is attending the classes.

thanks, Luna! I might just do that!

I really believe that the lack of teaching on the good spiritual side of things was to keep us focused on having a "deep spiritual perception" of the "evil" around us... Basically, to keep us paranoid and biting at each other - focused on what evil those around us were doing, AND NOT ON DOING GOOD. Because if we could point out the evil (tattle on) those around us, then we were the ones who got patted on the back and called "spiritually mature." In the meantime, we never even saw the big picture of the evil at the top. In fact, by the time I left they were teaching that almost any angelic intervention anyone spoke about was actually (you guess it!) devil spirits. But at the same time we weren't supposed to make "negative confessions." How does this fit together? We must not acknowledge reality (that things really sorta suck when you get down to it)... we must not acknowledge evil in leadership (that would be thinking evil)... But devil spirits in everyone and everything else? They are everywhere - we have to keep sharp and look out. And when something good happened? Guess what? We took the credit for it - or gave the credit to twi for teaching us how to believe to bring such abundance to our lives. We may have thanked God in a prayer before it even happened, but afterwards, I can't think of a time off the top of my head when God was thanked. SO SO SO WRONG. How about this? (From The Message I Corinthians 13:4-8) Love never gives up Love cares more for others than for self Love doesn't want what it can't have Love doesn't strut Doesn't have a swelled head Doesn't force itself on others Isn't always, "me first" Doesn't fly off the handle Doesn't keep store of the sins of others Doesn't revel when others grovel Takes pleasure in the flowering of the truth Puts up with anything Trusts God always Always looks for the best Never looks back But keeps going to the end. Love never dies. It's no wonder the "LOOOOVE CHAPTER" as VP called it was so poo-pooed by twi. BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT YOU REALIZE ONE THING... They never loved you. They never loved me. They used us for their own selfish needs. They manipulated us, distracted us, and kept us looking at evil instead of looking for the good. It's no way to live.

I am going through old paperwork and shredding stuff that is older than 7 years from our financlal records... And I came across a PILE of ABS checks for SOOOOOOOOO MUCH FREAKING MONEY. What a waste. We could have had a down payment on a house if we had saved that money. I have decided I am just going to say that that money was what we had to pay for my husband and I to find each other and have our daughter. That is one thing the Way did that was a good thing for me. Without them I never would have met my husband (the love of my life), and my daughter (the light of my life) would never have been born. If I look at it that way, it's not so bad.

So true. This is no way to "manifest the love of God in the renewed mind." Did Jesus Christ say he came to kick us when we're down, and make us feel like poop? Cause the Way may not teach that, but they sure act like it!

I know exactly how you feel, Luna! I was raised in twi as well, and I also love the Catholic church I attend with my husband's family for the same reasons. Our daughter was baptized in the Catholic church and it was beautiful. I love the ritual and the choice to simply sit and hear what is taught. And then leave. I am thinking about converting, but the idea of taking the classes to become confirmed reminds me too much to taking classes in the Way. I can't say I am over my hurt yet. I don't know when I will be, but at least I can sit in a church service and not break into tears anymore. I am so glad to see you here!