JavaJane

Basically, to disagree with leadership is to disagree with God. Simply put, God works in Rosalie, who passes down the revelation to the BOD, and on down... So to disagree with leadership is to say that they did not receive revelation to begin with... Because if it was revelation from God, then it would be perfect. Once again, twi is set up in God's place in a practical sense. If you disagree with leadership you disagree with God. Growing up, my grandma had a sign hanging on my uncle's bedroom door (he would have been a teenager at the time). It showed a pouting kid on it and read underneath, "God made me and God don't make no junk." TWI just says "God told me and God don't make mistakes. To admit an error is to admit that maybe, just maybe God wasn't involved at all. Geez. Maybe the whole thing is just a bloated beauracracy run by a selfish old lady?

This is proof that they base the truth of their teachings only on the teachings of VPW, not "The Word Of God", not the Bible... So much for THE NEW DYNAMIC CHURCH, always changing and growing. So much for meekness. When your measure of truth is the words of one fallible man, then what truth do you have in you?? When you are confronted with your error, you should CHANGE it. No "thus saith the Lord" in twi - instead it's "THUS SAITH VICTOR PAUL WEIRWILLE!" If that isn't idolatry, I don't know what is. At least the Catholic church has stated they were wrong when they thought the world was flat! And TWI preaches against the "ex cathedra" word of the Pope. Why? What makes it any different than the word of Victor Paul Weirwille?? oh, yeah... the Pope can admit mistakes.

OldSkool That is it exactly. But what is so ironic about the whole thing is that twi uses this both ways - if it a negative on their part is pointed out they say, "Let's keep it positive..." If they point out a negative in YOU, they NEVER let it go. Complete manipulation.

Thanks, dmiller! I'll save that one for later! hee hee...

Gen, once again, you rock.

Ruiner of lives Preacher of nothing at all You sit at your desk Reading Grease Spot posts Trying in vain to discern Why so much hatred You stupid old fool You put power before love Your control is done. The bondage is gone We preach to the lurking ones Helping them be free Exposing the lies And The Way's hypocrisies The truth has come out. All your perversions Your rules and regulations Your "truth" is evil. Your time is coming You cannot live forever The sands will run out Will another come? One of your lapdogs, perhaps Hungry for power? Pretty little dogs Which one will you pick, Master manipulator? Eater of men's souls We hope the Way dies with you And it won't be long.

Sorry, mine's haiku and therefore does not rhyme... and it's not so funny. Oh you foul old bird Your appearance is so false Good outside, but dead in Heart full of deceit Your sold women for profit Feeding L Craig's lusts Sickeningly sweet Plotting your rise to power Hurting God's children Power is yours, but Still you hide in the shadow Of your vile idol Weirwille Lustful for power Ancient wicked Jezebel God is not with you

Gen is my hero.

I became involved with twi while I was still a kid, but wasn't a "sold out believer" until I decided to go WOW at age 20. Prior to that you would probably call me a free spirit artistic type... I'm almost back to where I was before - maybe I'm even there, but it has been a struggle. Instead of free spirit, I became a business woman complete with suits and business cards. My chosen career path was based on how it would allow me to participate in twi functions. I wanted a 9-5 job with holidays free and nights off so that I could attend each and every event. I wanted a job that would allow me to ABS and provide other believers with a place of employment. What I really wanted personally? A job that I could interact with people and make them happy - a job where I could make something tangible with my hands, and when I was done with it, I could have something accomplished. A job with only a little amount of numbers and computers. A job that involved creativity, owning my own business, and allowed me to peirce my nose, get tattoos, and wear weird clothes. Like I said, I'm getting back to that. I am starting my own business - small at first, but I have a plan. And maybe I'll get a loan when I have enough business to need a place to work. And since I work from home and no one sees me, I can wear what I want. And I'll probably get a tattoo this summer. Anyway, I basically became EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what I feel I really am and should be. How about the rest of you?

OldSkool, you are just not "spiritually mature" enough to understand. Leave this to the ones in charge... God works in the Way Tree, you know? (I really need a vomit emoticon... a vomiticon?)

Gen has the old Irish naming on those faerie circles... walk widdershins around them and see if the little people come and getcha! Oh, wait, were you referring to the cabinet meetings? I might call that a witch's circle... If Rosie is the witch. I bet if you walked widdershins around that circle and you were one of the little people they'd definately getcha!! **edited for that last bit.

And then she could be all alone in that paradise called HQ with her sweet Donna... frolicking in the cornfields. How sweet.

I thought Raf was a weatherman.... Oh, wait... I'm wrong. I just found the gum under the counter.

I know EXACTLY what you are going through... I feel the same way when I start my writing up again. It feels like I'm doing something WRONG by writing - or by trying to go back to school for my chosen career. I did pick up a completely new creative outlet to work in, and that has helped a lot. My husband is in the same boat - he has pretty much given up on playing music in front of people for the time being, as well as composing. He was playing professionally before becoming involved in twi - playing at clubs, made a CD, and was getting some airtime on local radio with his original music. Now he's switched instruments in an effort to snap out of it, and is learning to play drums. My advice is JUST KEEP DOING IT. It makes you happy, and you deserve to be happy. And I AM SOOOOOO HAPPY you are getting this opportunity to play!

The guy should have been fired for sexual harassment... but if you can keep Uncle Horndog around, then I guess anything is excusable.

I know of some attempted partners swapping at HQ, but my friend wouldn't have anything to do with it - and this would have been 2004-2006 or around that time... those friends might stop by and chat. It ended up getting reported and reprimanded - probably for trying to get non-WC involved, you know, those people not spiritually mature enough to understand.

Welcome, 100%!! We'll get a new pot of coffee on for you. Sit down and stay a while!

I was just going to post what OldSkool did...

I have no doubt as well... God still worked in people despite those people being involved in twi, especially at the local fellowship level.

I think you summed up exactly what I was trying to say, Sunesis, in a much better way. I think it does allow me to hear God without the distractions when I need it. I also think the subconscious is where God speaks the loudest. But that's my personal experience... someone else may see it differently, and probably will. Yes, and yes again. I became very angry at God after I left twi - I didn't WANT to be angry with God, but if I was honest with myself I was. I had to deal with that and realize that God had been misrepresented to me, and that there is no way I can every really comprehend God, or predict what God will do, or try to control God... and I am ok with that. It's ok not to know everything, and it's ok to admit that you were duped. God and I are on better terms now.

of course!

Thanks for the links! I was talking with my husband about this earlier today, and he still uses it for pain/anxiety control, which makes sense, and has something in common with posts here. I also use it to disengage the logic portion of my brain when I need to see a situation from a different angle. It helps at times, much like using it to help find lost keys. It gives the subconscious a chance to work. Then again, maybe I'm crazy... **edited to fix typos I didn't see last night.

Any theories on what speaking in tongues is as twi taught it if it is not the same thing as was done in Acts?

12. Would you like to partake in our paranoid non-reality?