ChattyKathy

And since I am on the rag regarding words not allowed and yada yada I would like to say this: p!33 is not a bad word edits should be allowed for at least 1 minute before noted

(Abi, I see you posted while I was posting and have not read you yet because I got up from computer, I will now) Rhino, Thank you for your comment on my words and thoughts. I realize as we educate and help upgrade other countries their need of our products lesson and that impacts us more than we realize it would appear. As well we have already had it proven that when we had needs there was hesitance to give to the very country that helped them get to the point they are today. To import workers is IMHO dead wrong. That practice has and will continue to be part of the problem due to their taking our jobs because they will do it for less. Florida use to have a terrible problem with that. I do not know about these days. Except I will add that my mother has the most precious neighbors that came from Cuba and probably work harder than 2 families combined. As well as have a dear friend from Mexico who probably gives and cares more about America than many born-into Americans. So I know there cannot be a clean sweep that it appears I try to use at times. Yet these foreign workers concept has hurt us badly, and out sourcing should be abolished IMHO. No matter what changes we make it will hurt someone. But that happens in every walk of life and will continue to. Do we not make change because of it? We might feel fulfilled at the moment when we make these decisions to aid others but when we are dieing in the gutter because we no longer have the means to even go to our American given aid; we may feel completely different about. People pee and moan (why can we not say that word here? it is far from obscene) because they see inequality in less fortunate countries so they feel their personal gaps inside with extending a hand (arm) and are completely oblivious to the born-into countrymen in their own neighborhoods dying from neglect. How do they sleep at night knowing their pseudo-humanitarian mindset is part of the bigger problem? I think we should stand on the concept....do unto others if they will help themselves first! Amen!!!!! dieing=dying I refuse to have edits noted if possible, it just grips my butt. feel=feed And yes if I could do it correct the first time......

That last statement regarding spending the monies here rather than elsewhere was one of my concerns voiced also but you did a much better job including ideas. That is something I will endeavor to add also. I think that is critical for not only the established Americans but for those we are speaking of or some day there will be nothing for anyone to earn and spend. Back to now.

I am a lightweight and crashing for the night. But this has been a wonderful thread and I hope it continues. For myself it is helping me work thru some inner things that have eaten on me for some time now. And it feels like a healthy way in which to do it. And Hap you are pretty cool you know that! Sweet dreams all.

I lost my doctor for the same reason. Her insurance company would only pay half the claim should she ever be sued and she could not risk it she felt. I hated to lose her, she was wonderful.

Even when we give our lives to protect and do our best by them there are all forms of bad examples about them. But we have to start at home, we just have to.

I have wondered about it and do not really know the answer as to how it went so terribly wrong but I know that was a derail on my part.

Thank you Rocky. And thank you also for how you speak to me. I can see you have no intention of putting me in a corner even though I have given you ample opportunity and I know we have differing views on some of the guts of 'tacks. But no lie this subject is a toughie. Off topic I know but do you think that frivolous lawsuits being won have aided in the woes of the medical industry?

Being posted before I read Rocky...so will read and reply okay. Hap, I have been sick physically to have been so raw honest about this subject. And it feels some foreign to me because I love people and would extend myself to a stranger in need and I know I would. Yet we are in dire straits and worsening all the time. We so not have the capacity to fix our own ailments hardly. There are over 40 million people in our country without medical insurance. I was told by an Immigration lawyer the system is so broken it is irreparable, it is virtually impossible to turn it around. But yes, I think it is time to stop. That might haunt me tonight but it is how I feel right now. Kathy

Great food for thought Abi and Chas and others, how parenting impacts this.

I don't understand why I can't see it here. Can I ask you though is that one picture of me in a post a big one, if so I should probably delete it. :unsure: And you are too sweet to say it is lovely.

Well it appears my derail hide the fact there was a question so I will give the answer. And Sushi was real close because the woman who has dated them all is also blonde. Pamela Anderson

I hope someone sees it just in case "you know who" is among them.

All I came up in my pondering was more questions rather than answers so I thought I would just note my thoughts and maybe in time I can answer some of my own: 1) I need to make this clear that I do not believe we should fix the world. I never have and suspect I never will. And yes I know my President seems to disagree with me. 2) I do not believe we are bound by law, grace or otherwise to extend funds to war-torn or impoverished counties. And I might not be so adamant about that if other countries did their FAIR share rather than us and them thinking it is our responsibility. We have hungry here, even if Rocky feels that should not be an issue in our country, it is. 3) Where are we to find these funds to continue to feed and educate and heal the world? And it is not going to be in an easy answer of "get out of Iraq" either. The coffer puts out more than it is fairly put into. Be it the rich with their tax breaks or the illegals not paying in yet taking our jobs and sending the money back to their countries rather than even adding to our economy by spending here. 4) If we could actually help educate people in a humanitarian manner and thus be assured they would return to their countries and improve the conditions so they could become independent rather than asking for and accepting our funds that would be ideal. But it does not seem to work that way as best I can ascertain. 5) And no matter what is right or wrong this haughty attitude in our face from these people is unacceptable and they best be thankful to their gods that we do not react to them the way they so richly deserve. 6) I have no problem with children immigrants in our schools IF their parents pay the same $ for $ that I have to pay (not optional in my neck of the woods). 7) I have no problem with immigrants obtaining health care if they have to pay the same $ for $ that I have to. And just because we have health care does not mean we can afford to pay for it. But if we give away our medical care then someone will have to pay for it. And who is that someone? It is certainly not someone that is not paying into our economy or having the same $ for $ taxes taken out of their paychecks as mine. I do not hate people from other countries and wish them ill, I just do not like to be assumed rich and expected to provide for them because they are poor. I just cannot get on that train and I have tried to understand it I honestly have. It reminds me of the young couples who get themselves in enormous debt right off the bat just so they can have the same nice house and car that their parents who worked a life time to acquire have. I just do not get that.

I'm just fixing to print this thread so thought I'd reply before I was away for a bit. I wanted you to know there was nothing wrong with what you did as an example of you are an American using the aids set in place for that purpose. Not you could have been in error doing it. This thread is about people entering our country using our aids and what they intend to do with the learning, health improvements, etc. And the attitudes being shoved in our faces while they are doing it. While some of our children go hungry and can't get the same medical care or education or breaks on debts being incurred. And what is rumor or truth and what can be done about it.

See what I mean, this is going to be a wonderful thread. Thanks Rocky for the better understanding for me.

I need to get my feet warm so am going to print this thread and go read it while I get warm somewhere. I may be away for a bit before I reply but I wanted to mention that I think this is one of the best threads we've ever had and I am excited about the discovery and learning from it. And I agree let's please keep it in Open so others can read it as well. I don't think everyone goes to decaf and some can't go to 'tacks. And I feel more at ease just with the understanding from all the folks posting here, even Rocky who is probably the most aggressive towards me is doing it with grace.

Rocky, I read yours while I ponder Hap's. It was only required for hubby to do a means test in 03 and 04. He has not had to do one since and yes he does a co-pay and certain amount for his drugs. That is the experience I have therefore that was why I was specific in saying 2 years. And yes again, your exactness of the specific category a veteran is does(oops) doesn't make a difference.

Hap, Excellent post! Full of information, questions and understanding of some of the very things I am concerned about. I need time to digest it okay. Rocky, I haven't read you at all yet but will. Excath, There is nothing wrong with what you did dear. It's people receiving more than the ones from this country and what they are doing with it and their attitudes towards us because of it.

Rocky, Yes, thank you, I was referring to VA medical benefits which are not automatically available to past veterans (like my husband) and that changed in January 03 as you stated. Unless you were already accepted and then you were grandfathered in. But anyone getting in after that has to qualify and for the first couple of years repeat a means test to see if still eligible. But the reason it changed was because there were not sufficient funds to provide for the further veterans of foreign wars. That was not someone with a political opinion as best as I have surmised. That is the reason the law changed in January of 03. And yes, hubby pays co-pay and something towards his meds. So I was in error not to be specific as to the medical benefits. As to the spending or lack thereof I know that it's not always the decisions of the man in office at the time. However the haters of Bush fail to mention that often, rather they blame him for things in place before he was in office like apparently I did regarding Clinton. Yet, I'm not convinced he was innocent of some of the false appearance of a healthier economy but that is one of those touchy feely things that best be left alone by me because I haven't the time or even desire to dig into all those details anymore. The reason is quite frankly I don't believe half of what I read no matter where it is generated so one cannot just research on your own and expect to find complete truths. Kathy

Satori......almost I am persuaded (by myself) to post in open what I just posted to you in private.....

Posted by me in Nostalgia but it really should have been here I know.

I just can't understand why I can't see my face. :unsure: But I am going to Best Buy to look at laptops and even if I have to paint my skin and speak in another language to get aid to pay for it I will. LMAO. And I swear one of these days no one will ever call be sweet again I bet. Or I could take advantage of something I never have and that would be my American Indian rights to aid. Something I have never done due to knowing I didn't have a GENUINE need to do so. I swear I am not meaning to sound like I don't like you because you are different. I just don't like you because you suck me dry and think you are due it. Okay I swear I will stop spouting off in this thread.

I left some of the answers over in the "Gangs" thread but if they should be moved here I will gladly do so Hap. One of the things though is you cannot automatically receive VA benefits anymore. That changed within the last few years. And part of the reason was due to Clinton having robbed our military to make it appear we were having a healthy economy. We were told by the VA Clinic that something had to be done to assure there would be funds left for the present and future soldiers of foreign wars. Part of the aid the Somalia's are getting is tied to a government aid for destitute citizens of war torn countries (and I swear I cannot think of the right words so will do so and when they come to my cloudy head will bring them back here). (I've let this laptop affect my mood, sorry 'bout that)

I thought you moved it to 'tacks. Okay let me catch up.