ChattyKathy

Abi, you should be able to get some assistance. Neither you or Sushi are trying to work the system. If there weren't folks doing it every day there might be enough money for the ones that honestly needed it. I don't know if you know this but I spoke to both of my state's welfare and Attorney Generals offices and reported a false front business locally that teaches folks how to work the system. Both of those departments were very very very interested in what I had to say. It won't fix a thing but I did something about my gut eating at me as I watch people around me every day sitting on their butts who could be out working because they have no reason why they can't. And not enough jobs to go around is no excuse. I see help wanted signs on front of retail and food businesses all over town. You and Sushi deserve better than that crap dealt you. Shame on the deadbeats that suck the system.

I appreciate that. Never did I think I would be defending myself on this subject to this extent. And you would have to understand my past to fully appreciate that. Thank you again. I would agree with you on that. I know there have been women who set themselves up. Rape is never right but if the woman plays with fire like that then you are going to get burned. Rape is not a convenient plea because you put yourself in a wrong situation. If I know I have a drug or drinking problem that renders me unable to protect myself in a isolated situation then I best not willingly walk into that situation. I have some liability there because I knew I wasn't capable of seeing the danger signs once I willingly walked into the situation. And yes it is still rape but it makes it unwise on the woman's part and there is some liability. This is not being forced into that isolated place. The teacher should be nailed to the wall. A pro gives up her rights when she takes money for sex. She put herself in harms way every single time she closes that door behind her and him. And it happens all the time, thus making it even more difficult on us who were raped and did not invite it. I give up!

It was an example of what does not sit well with me in regards to a woman crying rape. There are cases where the woman withheld sexual relations not once but on a continual base torturing their husbands for whatever reason they did it for only to find themselves being taken against their wills and then using that as a rape case to nail their husbands to the wall. If you do not want to ever have sex with your husband then move out, why torture the man. And I mean never. Not sometimes. They serve drinks in the lounge of the hotel. Why wouldn't you insist a man that you do not know well have a drink in a safe place? Of course some men are honest. But of the ones that invited a woman into their bedded hotel room for a drink only to rape her after giving her something to drink I doubt you will fine one honest man among them. Then I do not know what to offer you. Ductape, I posted before I saw you because I left the screen, I will read you now.

Exactly! Claiming you were raped by your husband because you chose to torture the man is lying and also hurts those of us who have been raped. It is difficult enough in this day and time for a woman who is legitimately raped not having outsiders (which includes lawyers/prosecutors/etc) imply you asked for it. Crying rape is not something to use to get revenge, yet there are cases where women have ruined their husband’s lives because they used it against them. Divorce the man if you never want to have sex with him. Resent it all you wish but it is not applicable to my words here. Apparently your and my definition of inappropriate places is quite different. I never said going out in public or even going to a party at someone's house where there will be more than you and the individual that invited you was inappropriate. But we do have cases well publicized where a woman was invited to a hot shot athletes hotel room for drinks (just the two of them) and when the girl drank with the man and he did rape her she held some responsibility because she put herself in a position she should not have. Certainly she did not think she was being invited to his hotel room equipped with a bed to play bingo with him. Again this just buries the women that never put themselves in that type of situation, instead they were walking from their car to the grocery store and were pulled into a mans van and raped in an even more horrible place because they have to live with the females that should have known better than to go to that hotel room in the first place. Does it mean that the girl willingly going to the hotel room was not raped? No! But it gives her some of the liability for it. I think the above two replies of mine cover this, if not please let me know. A woman has the right to say no. A wife who never allows her husband to release with her sexually should divorce him. Why torture the man. I was speaking specifically about never Abi, not just sometimes, you are correct that a woman has every right not to say yes every time. Just like the man has the right to do the same back.

Congrats ala!

No that is not what I am saying. I am saying if women who want to get back at their husbands (and the courts have such cases) because they never gave to their husbands the opportunity to have marital relations with them then the woman is using something that is not a thing to play with. I never once said or implied that a woman did not have the free will to tell her husband no. I did state a wife claiming rape because she doesn't want to consent to sex with her husband doesn't sit well. How is going out in public putting yourself in an inappropriate place? I believe I mentioned something about date rape which I thought covered having something put into anything you could be drinking.

I would call that abuse in more than one form coolchef. She was not talking about a wife being a prude and finally the husband saying enough of this.

The intent of the person forcing themselves on another is paramount in this I believe. A wife claiming rape because she doesn't want to consent to sex with her husband doesn't sit well with me. Too much of that can cheapen genuine rape situations perhaps. Little children being taken advantage of sexually is always rape in my opinion. A child can't begin to understand that world. Some acts can't even be done unless there is some degree of consent I would also think. Yet a male can be raped even if he does become aroused because that is physical and not controlled by the mind necessarily. Parents using rape to punish a boy they never agreed with their daughter dating when she willing gave herself over is rape from the parents I feel. Providing we are talking teenagers not children. Date rape drugs where the girl is actually unconsciences and cannot consent or fight is rape. Putting yourself in a situation where you know there is a chance of being forced sexually is liable on the one being taken advantage of to some degree. Doing drugs and drinking in situations that are inappropriate places some liability on the one taken advantage of also. I don't know that I am done yet.

On the age thing it could be helpful to look at acceptable ages of consent in other countries. I think these 17 year olds agreeing to sex might not even be a question other places.

Fascinating, thank you for bringing it here.

I don't recognize Ted Green but I didn't recognize Roy Buchanan until I saw YouTube. Is it a sign of age when names just don't connect to faces anymore I wonder. :unsure:

Are you helping ala make 100 on top? :)

just=trust edits nearly tork me off as much and it is me who cannot type worth a crap so why be torked off about edits coolchef, And yes elderly eating dog food all the time. Good lord shall it ever stop!

I feel better now. I just spoke with both of our states Welfare and Attorney Generals offices and reported a false business here in my area that teaches people how to work the welfare system. And God help anyone that chooses to go after me (not y'all but here in my area) because I decided enough is enough!!!!!

I don't know where Matilda lives but I have spoken with my folks that live within a few miles of Ted and Moony and John and Hope and it has not impacted their area at all. I think Belle lives in their area also but I could be wrong.

I feel better. I just called the manager of that location and spoke at length with him and his responses were very good, as well as, they were just going into a management meeting and he said I will be used as an example of what they do not want to happen in their restaurant. I was impressed by this young man, very impressed and told him I would frequent his restaurant just because of it.

To further irritate or make happy one I need to add this. My complaint is not that we have folks that are from other countries employed in our American industries BUT that they cannot speak the language of the customers standing before them! And I find it highly unlikely there is not something being given to them that is not being given to LEGAL citizens of this country. As well there was a customer in front of me with beautiful chocolate skin that was trying to communicate what she wanted on her burrito and they were rude to her because she could not make them understand her in ENGLISH and they began to cut her down right in front of her in their language. I only know this because I know a few words of Spanish. THAT IS WRONG!!!!!

Here I go again... Last night I picked up Chipotle for hubby and I'll not return again. The food is good I know but when no one making the food can speak English it just takes my appetite away.

ala, I will help get it closer for you okeedokee. socksman, You could teach a class on how to be completely delightful! dmiller, I think you must be a fine musician just from your tastes alone.

I married the person I was necking with.

This was the work I was doing and I was also in high school.

The factory.

This one I really dug! Roy Buchanan doing Roy's Blues.

Necking with my boyfriend.