Galen

Okay fine, yes, the career sailor has a tat. Happy? LOL I have two sea monsters riding the waves sucking food out of a garbage can. On my left chest pec, in the exact placement where I wore it on my uniforms. :)

Most of that still happens, I do must that [plus a few things] and I still see it in others in this area. :)

Tally-sheet? Score-card? No, I dont think so. I may still be 'way-brain' but I envision more of a family environment, where how close you are to Dad counts. I may screw-up this idea or that idea, but the fact that I am trying and that I talk to Dad often 'counts' for way more than my goofs. Regardless of each person's doctrine, some will never really be seated at the Heavenly Dinner table. Whereas many of us will be there seated across from each other after having held totally opposite views on doctrine. Sorry that that was to harsh TWI speak. :)

It sounds to me like you have a truly smart eye doctor. Keep him. :)

Yes native to various of the other peoples present, just not native to the Galileans who did the speaking. :) That is cool when it happens. Such happened to me at a fellowship once. I SIT and interpreted, and another man present understood the SIT as it was in his native language. It really excited him, and was a big blessing to all of us. :)

To SIT out loud in a group, you may be edified yourself, but as for the group 'others' are not edified. Which is why Paul goes on to explain that to edify the 'others' in the group someone must either interpret tongues or prophecy. The only exception would be of course for those rare occasions when someone else in the group recognizes your tongue as their native language and can understand it. As happened at the original 'out-pouring'. :)

Thank you, sir. When we were stationed in Scotland, it took us months to get HQ and Gartmore to agree together that we could run a PFAL class. I contacted Gartmore, then was referedto international, then to Paul Norcross, then back to Gartmore, etc. It was the only dealigns that I ever had with Mister Norcross, he seemed like he wanted to help, but did not know how to get a PFAL class to anyone overseas. They did not want us to just go to Gartmore to get it, [we might contaminate the WC at Gartmore] and they did not want us dealign with Gartmore WC. But since I was not WC myself, they could not tell me why, nor could they jsut send me the stuff. So finally Chris Kent came by to deliver the tapes. When he did, A small group of believers were at our house waiting to meet him. They explained to Mister Kent that our fellowship was largely servicemembers who were working rotating shift-work and accordingly we had no set days or times for fellowships. Since most of the twig boarded with us anyway, we took every opportunity we could to study the Bible together, whether there were three or ten of us home. So it really worked out that 'fellowships' were happening just about everyday of the week. Mister Kent did not like this, and the way that we were not mimicking the ministry's cookie-cutter 'look'. No yelling if someone could not get to fellowship on time, no insistence that folks were not believing high enough, etc. No big room, with chairs strung in straight lines, etc. So he said that he did not want to give us the tapes after all. So he went back out to his vehicle and a group of men accompanied him to his vehicle. It seems that they may have implied that if he welched on giving us the PFAL class, after all we had gone through to get it, that physical injury might happen to him. After-all he was preparing to back out on his obligation to other believers within the ministry. Interestingly enough, the other men came back in with the PFAL class in hand. and we later got a letter asking us to return the class via postal service when we were done with it. Otherwise the folks at Gartmore were always very freindly when we went there Sundays. But it was too far away from us for any of them to come visit, they would have had to travel all of 40 miles.

The last time that we charged anythign was when we were still 'in'. Grads brought food, students paid whatever the price was. Since then, everyone is welcome to bring food. Sometimes we have a snack before, then serve a meal during a break, and dessert afterwards. other times we vary it around.

Being a sailor, 'nasty' words never bothered me. But the TWI influence on us is that we correct people's grammar. Cursing is fine, but use proper grammar when doing it. Really trips people up. :)

Trust? Never. Have fun with? sure thing. Enjoy, joke, debate, counsel; but never trust. :)

LOL How about: "I didn't write the Book", or "You have the right to go to hell, if you want to." :)

Diggin through some stuff, I can across an old listing of VPW' phrases from PFAL.

"God has a purpose of everything He says, where He says it, why He says it, How He says it, and to whom He says it, when He says it."

We really have not changed the format or 'flavour' of how we have ran PFAL classes. From the first ones that we ran in our Twigs starting in the late 70s, through 80s, 90s, etc. I understand that on the rare occasion when WC were around, trying to poke their noses into what happened in our fellowship, it always got uncomfortable. The brow-beating, ugliness, and power-struggles, ick. We have been truly fortunate to have had very little dealings with WC overall. As I have explained previously. Since the Limb of California gave us a copy of PFAL in 1985, overall we enjoyed far less direct dealing with WC anyway. We have not been 'in' since 1997, the last time that we were thrown 'out'. But that has not changed our lifestyle so much, nor what we do. Worshipping G-d, studying His Word, living life, and ministering to people's needs.

This topic has been discussed here on GS manytimes previously. Bless you. :) I am sure that there is one, I was simply stating that while we were 'in' and running classes as an active part of TWI, from 1978 until 1997, we had a Twig Coordinator's syllabus, but no PFAL class syllabus. I did not mean to imply shock that such a syllabus existed, sorry about the confusion. :)

We do have a syllabus on how to be a Twig Coordinator. But none on how to run a PFAL class. I dont think that I should bother to ask for one, for our next PFAL class that we run either. :)

Rules? We just welcome everyone, then pray, then check that everyone is comfortable and can see the flip charts, then we start the video. :)

Very sheltered I see. I have held a gun on other folks, and I have experienced someone else holding a gun aimed at me. Of course I have also exchanged fire with fellow 'church-service attendees', that we were/are at war with them. :)

I used to date a girl that would get like that. So yes, I would have to agree. Though memories of such are deeply buried in the cobwebs of my mind.

Thanks Excath and vickles, Pardon me but I dont exactly understand, it is 'nice' that all women are sexy? They are, but I did not think of it as being nice, per sa. :)

"What Makes Someone Sexy?" IMHO, a female; maybe blond, or brunette, or redhead, or auburn. But she must be tall, or medium height, or maybe short, But she must be slim, or filled-out, or a little plump, But she must be intelligent, or not, But she needs to be young, or. Okay fine breathing. I have always heard that any sailor who does not find a lady attractive, simply has not spent enough months underwater yet. :)

Cool, sounds great.

Here are the ones that I have. "Chicken Plates" (bullet proof plates for flak jackets) are not something you order in a restaurant “GUNNER, SABOT, SNIPER” (firing an anti-tank shell at a sniper) is not an appropriate use of ammunition “Rebel yells” are not proper FM radio procedure after a successful Table VIII (The tank crew qualification test a 10 engagement run on a tank range which tank crews must successfully complete in order to be a qualified crew Like going to the rifle range for a qualification of expert) shoot A bad plan with good slides is better than a good plan with bad slides A bad ride is better than a good walk A clean (and dry) uniform is a magnet for mud and rain A free-fire zone has nothing to do with economics A Purple Heart just proves that were you smart enough to think of a plan, stupid enough to try it, and lucky enough to survive A retreating enemy is probably just falling back and regrouping A sucking chest wound is Nature's way of telling you to slow down A unit that has no money for new computers or spare parts will still manage to afford a big-screen TV for Powerpoint slide shows A year's hard work by the troops can be destroyed because of some minor incident that happened to the Colonel when he was a lieutenant Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting is more dependent on "pucker factor" than the inherent accuracy of the weapon Air defense motto: shoot 'em down; sort 'em out on the ground Air strikes always overshoot the target, artillery always falls short All infantry fighting vehicles don’t look alike All-weather close air support doesn't work in bad weather Always kiss the spouse good-bye Always tactical load and threat scan 360 degrees Ammo is cheap; your life isn't. Any ship can be a minesweeper once Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice Ammo is cheap Life is expensive Anything you do can get you killed, including nothing Arguing with the medics about this will result in your being evacuated in a neck brace and back board (in addition to the I.V.). As soon as you are served hot chow in the field, it rains Attempting to help recover a mired tank will only result in your tank becoming mired also B-52s are the ultimate close support weapon Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one Be polite Be professional But have a plan to kill everyone you meet Beer Math --> 2 beers times 37 men equals 49 cases Blue water Navy truism: There are more planes in the ocean than submarines in the sky. Body count Math --> 3 guerrillas plus 1 probable plus 2 pigs equals 37 enemies killed in action Bring a weapon Preferably, bring at least two Bring all of your friends who have weapons Bring their friends who have weapons C-4 (plastic explosives) can make a dull day fun Close air support is safest from far away Close only counts in horseshoes, nukes and proximity-fused missiles Cocoa Powder (found in field rations) is neither Always make sure someone has a P-38 (compact can opener) Combat pay is a flawed concept Combat will occur on the ground between two adjoining maps Cover your Buddy, so he can be around to cover you Creating a twenty-minute slide show that makes the commander look good will get you the same medal as working your a-- off for 12 months for the same commander Decisions made by someone over your head will seldom be in your best interest Density of fire increases proportionally to the curiousness of the target Don't drop your guard Don't ever be the first, don't ever be the last, and don't ever volunteer to do anything Don't look conspicuous; it draws fire For this reason, it is not at all uncommon for aircraft carriers to be known as bomb magnets Eat when you can Sleep when you can Visit the head when you can The next opportunity may not come around for a long time If ever Every command which can be misunderstood, will be Everybody's a hero on the ground in the club after the fourth drink Exceptions prove the rule, and destroy the battle plan Field experience is something you don't get until just after you need it First sergeant math: Buy Gatorade for $1.49 each and sell for $1.00 each — with the profits going to the unit fund. Five-second fuses always burn three seconds Flank your adversary when possible Protect yours Fly to target area, drop bombs, fly back Flying is better than walking Walking is better than running Running is better than crawling All of these however, are better than extraction by a Med-Evac, even if this is technically a form of flying For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism Fortify your front; you'll get your rear shot up Friendly fire - isn't Girlfriends are fair game Wives are not Happiness is a belt-fed weapon Have a back-up plan, because the first one won't work Having all your body parts intact and functioning at the end of the day beats the alternative Hearing an “Aw, ....” soon after an “on-the-waaay!” means you’re probably not getting that promotion Hope the Marines already destroyed all meaningful resistance Hot garrison chow is better than hot C-rations, which, in turn is better than cold C-rations, which is better than no food at all If a supply sergeant is given a choice between death and going to the field with his unit, he will ask for a few minutes to “Think it over.” If all else fails, shoot at the muzzle flashes — the larger ones are the dangerous ones, the smaller ones are infantry If at first you don't succeed, call in an air strike If at first you don't succeed, then bomb disposal probably isn't for you If enough data is collected, a board of inquiry can prove anything If everything is as clear as a bell, and everything is going exactly as planned, you're about to be surprised If hit, landing near the people that just shot you down is not a good idea If it's stupid but it works, it isn't stupid If only one solution can be found for a field problem, then it is usually a stupid solution If orders can be misunderstood they will be If the enemy is within range, so are you If the Platoon Sergeant can see you, so can the enemy If the rear echelon troops are really happy, the front line troops probably do not have what they need If you are allergic to lead it is best to avoid a war zone If you are forward of your position, your artillery will fall short If you are not shooting, you should be communicating, reloading, and running If you are promised “downtime,” what they really mean is: You will be breaking track If you are short on everything but enemy, you are in combat. If you aren't sure, the SAMs are pointed at you If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a big weaponand a friend with a big weapon If you can't remember, the Claymore is pointed towards you If you can't see the enemy, they still may be able to see you If you find yourself in front of your platoon they know something you don't If you need an officer in a hurry take a nap If you take more than your fair share of objectives, you will have more than your fair share of objectives to take If your ambush is properly set, the enemy won't walk into it If your attack is going really well, it's an ambush If your flank march is going well, the enemy expects you to outflank him If your positions are firmly set and you are prepared to take the enemy assault on, he will bypass you If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast enough, nor using cover correctly In combat, there are no rules, always cheat; always win The only unfair fight is the one you lose In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics They will only remember who lived and who didn't Incoming fire has the right of way Interchangeable parts aren't It is a fact that helicopter tail rotors are instinctively drawn toward trees, stumps, rocks, etc While it may be possible to ward off this natural event some of the time, it cannot, despite the best efforts of the crew, always be prevented It's just what they do It is cruel to tell NBC types “Damn, that Fox (NATO chemical/biological/nuclear weapons detection vehicle) looks like a BMP (Russian made armored vehicle used by many countries, like Iraq)!” — particularly when live rounds are being issued It's easier to expend material in combat than to fill out the forms for Graves Registration It's more important to look good than to be good It's not the one with your name on it; it's the one addressed "to whom it may concern" you've got to think about Just after you report “Redcon 1” (Readiness Condition 1 - ready to move out right "now") for your qualification run, you will realize that you desperately need to take a leak Killing for peace is like screwing for virginity Let's put it this way, anyone who's crazy enough to want to live in a submarine is welcome to do so as far as I'm concerned And don't worry about illicit sex if women are added to crews -- the only place there'd be enough room for anything more than a pat on the foot (unless you're both yoga masters) is the bridge, and then the watch standers would have to pretend you weren't around. Letters from home are not always great Loud sudden noises in a helicopter WILL get your undivided attention Make it too tough for the enemy to get in, and you won't be able to get out Mankind has a perfect record in aviation; we never left anyone up there! Medals are OK, but having your body and all your friends in one piece at the end of the day is better Military Intelligence is an oxymoron Mine fields are not neutral Mines are equal opportunity weapons Move away from your attacker Distance is your friend (Lateral and diagonal movement are preferred.) Napalm is an area support weapon NCOs NEVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES refer to other soldiers as "customers." Never draw fire, it will irritate the rest of your formation Never forget that your weapon was made by the lowest bidder NEVER get into a fight without more ammunition than the other guy Never share a foxhole with anyone braver than yourself Never stand when you can sit, never sit when you can lie down, never stay awake when you can sleep Never tell the Platoon Sergeant you have nothing to do Night vision devices will only fail at night No combat ready unit has ever passed inspection No inspection ready unit has ever passed combat No matter how minor the ailment, a visit to the medics will result in an I.V No matter which way you have to march, it’s always uphill No OPLAN ever survives initial contact No plan survives the first few seconds of combat Odd objects attract fire - never lurk behind one Odd objects attract fire You are odd Officers believe that a plan won't succeed unless it has a good name, like "Operation Intrinsic Action." NCOs would rather give it something simple, like "Operation Beat Their ******* Heads In 5," and get on with it Officers really do believe that a soldier is happier when he's busy, even if he's not doing what's important NCOs know that nothing is so useless as doing well something which should not be done at all Officers sit around thinking a lot In a vacuum This is not a good thing Once you are in the fight, it is way too late to wonder if this is a good idea One enemy soldier is never enough, but two is entirely too many Only hits count Close doesn't count The only thing worse than a miss is a slow miss Professionals are predictable, its the amateurs that are dangerous Proving that three feet of frontal armor protection will defend against any threat is probably best demonstrated on someone else’s track Radar tends to fail at night and in bad weather, and especially during both Radios function perfectly until you need fire support Recoilless rifles - aren't Remember: your aircraft was made by the lowest bidder Rules of Combat SAMs and AAA have the right-of-way Shaking trees to your front mean that you are being hunted by helicopters Share everything Even the Pound Cake Smart bombs have bad days too Sniper's motto: reach out and touch someone Someday someone may kill you with your own weapon, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty Sometimes, being good and lucky still was not enough There is always payback Success occurs when no one is looking, failure occurs when the General is watching Suppressive fires - won't Tanks are very easy to see unless you’re dismounted and they’re backing up Tanks don’t float Teamwork is essential; it gives the enemy other people to shoot at The best defense is to stay out of range The bursting radius of a hand grenade is always one foot greater than your jumping range The Cavalry doesn't always come to the rescue The combat worth of a unit is inversely proportional to the smartness of its outfit and appearance The complexity of a weapon is inversely proportional to the IQ of the weapon's operator The crucial round is a dud The dirtier and more tired you are, the less appreciative you become of “constructive criticism” from somebody in a pristine uniform The easy way is always mined The effective killing radius is greater than the average soldier can throw it The enemy diversion you're ignoring is their main attack The enemy invariably attacks on two occasions: a When they're ready b When you're not The enemy never monitors your radio frequency until you broadcast on an unsecured channel The enemy never watches until you make a mistake The exercise will finish and you’ll get back to garrison just after the wash rack (where tanks are cleaned) closes The fuel truck will run out of fuel just before he gets to your tank The further away you are from your friends, the less likely it is that they can help you when you really need them the most The heater on your tank will fail in October The part to repair it will arrive in April The important things are always simple; the simple are always hard The infantry muzzle flashes you ignore are covering an anti-tank team setting up The madness of war can extract a heavy toll Please have exact change The more a weapon costs, the farther you will have to send it away to be repaired The more stupid the leader is, the more important missions he is ordered to carry out The most dangerous thing in the world is a Second Lieutenant with a map and a compass The newest and least experienced soldier will usually win the Medal of Honor The one item you need is always in short supply The one time you skip the firing circuit test is when you have the misfire The only medal you really want to be awarded is the Longevity Medal The only thing more accurate than incoming enemy fire is incoming friendly fire The only time suppressive fire works is when it is used on abandoned positions The only times you will throw a track (that flexible band of metal and rubber the tank travels on) are: a At night, b in the rain, c during the movement back to garrison, or d one hour after you installed the new ones The perfect officer for the job will transfer in the day after that billet is filled by someone else The primary purpose of an operations order is to ensure that all blame falls on the line units The quartermaster has only two sizes, too large and too small The schools officers go to aren't any better than the schools NCOs go to But an NCO who goes to the ANCOC that deals with his MOS knows he's not necessarily smarter about his MOS; an Army officer who goes to an Air Force graduate school or a Joint College thinks he now knows more about the branch he's been away from for two years The self-importance of a superior is inversely proportional to his position in the hierarchy (as is his deviousness and mischievousness) The seriousness of a wound (in a firefight) is inversely proportional to the distance to any form of cover The side with the simplest uniforms wins the staff will not publish an operations order until after the exercise is completed The tough part about being a leader is that the troops don't know what they want, but they know for certain what they don't want The weapon that usually jams when you need it the most is the M60 The weight of your equipment is proportional to the time you have been carrying it The worse the weather, the more you are required to be out in it There are a lot of officers out there who would have been better as NCOs, and a lot of NCOs who would have been better as officers There is always a way, and it usually doesn't work There is no such place as a convenient foxhole There is no such thing as a perfect plan There is no such thing as a small firefight There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole There is only one rule in war: When you win, you get to make up the Rules Things that must be together to work can never be shipped together Those who hesitate under fire usually do not end up KIA or WIA Three sergeants thinking about an issue dealing with their MOS for four months and coming up with a detailed plan, is not as good as a colonel who knows nothing about their MOS or the problem thinking about it for 30 seconds To steal information from a person is called plagiarism To steal information from the enemy is called gathering intelligence Tracers work both ways Try to look unimportant; the enemy may be low on ammo Try to stay in the middle of the air Do not go near the edges of it The edges of the air can be recognized by the appearance of ground, buildings, sea, trees and interstellar space It is much more difficult to fly there. Unsecured turrets will only swing freely mid-way through a rail tunnel Use a weapon that works EVERY TIME "All skill is in vain when an Angel ....es in the flintlock of your musket." Use cover or concealment as much as possible The visible target should be in FRONT of YOUR weapon Watch their hands Hands kill (In God we trust Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them) Weather ain't neutral What gets you promoted from one rank gets you killed in the next rank

Shellon- You dont want your fish to taste like fish? should fish taste like something else? or meat tenderizer. :)

True. Very good point. Compressing any detailed thought down into a two or three word summary, we always lose tons of detail. :)