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I think if you play the last Sunday Night Service tape backwards, you can hear "Craig is dead...miss him...miss him...miss him..." Either that or I spotted him at Graceland embarking on a UFO.

I was too paranoid to be bored.

Just got some more information from (a) current Corpse couple that advised that there were more than just GreaseSpot and Raf hated over the years. From Corps meetings and sharings over the last seven years or so, the most surprising ones they really were hot over were the following: John Lynn, Mark Graeser, John Schoenheit, John Shroyer, Waydale, Greasespot, Doug McMullan, Living Epistles (the apparent offense there was a connection to Greasespot, that's all they know, so they thought Living Epistles was an extention of CES and Greasespot. So apparently Raf was like considered a triple threat or something but only to some Corpse)and of course PJ Roberge or Ex-Cult World. (I asked if they had heard of me and if they considered me hateful, and the Corpse guy didn't know who I was...so much for my notoriety...the @!$%&!!!.) That made around nine people they could list who were mentioned as people who made leadership very upset over the past seven years or so. There should be a top ten, There is at least one space left. Who would you say belongs there and who do you think is the top #1 most villified by TWI? I was surprised to hear the names of CES leadership and CFF leader John Shroyer in the Corpse' list. (TWI doesn't keep a list, this is just a number of those known to have been villified over the last seven years.

I remember the night VPW taught on the Hope, and before the teaching said he wanted all men to wear a suit and a tie and the women a dress or something. But he did stress that if you were wearing the best you had (regardless of a suit or tie) it would be okay, in order to attend a teaching in the VPW Auditorium. After he died, it went law. Men were removed or refused admittance to the main auditorium to a small room to hear the teaching for not having a tie. Once, Howard Allen was greeting people as usual entering the Auditorium and I was wearing an out of date suit bought off the Corps rack where they usually had things for Corps. I had my suit, it was the best and only one I had, and he avoided shaking my hand. He did see an obviously affluent couple enter and went to shake their hands. After they went inside, I kind of walked up in front of him, blocking all others, forcing a hand shake from him. he gave me a grudgingly swift hand shake, then I was off into the Auditorium.

Grizzy: TWIs rights are not infringed at all by Roberge's ownership of the website they let go and, mind you, forfeited for so many years until they "decided" that the internet was a good idea. Everybody but TWI should have sucked up those domain names becuae, and I remember specifically, forbidding us to use the internet because of its "evil" nature. I wish I had that tape. I'd ship it off to Pat. TWI loses no money or forfeits any money whatsoever by having that domain name. His site clearly states he is not TWI. No one would accidently give TWIs money to his site. Other churches lose their .com because someone else has it. They just do a .org or .net and just go on. TWI just wants to hurt Pat, Ex-Cultworld, and shut down his site by suing him. It's probably high time for many of us to go after TWI for all that abuse and scam they put us all through. Perhaps we should be filing suit after suit against TWI. They are no church, no ministry, and should lose tax-exempt status to boot because, they don't think or act like a "church" or "ministry". They act more like a religious business.

I agree with Exie. And keep this in mind. The Way International is neither "the Way" or "International". They are a joke.

LCM believed there was a devil spirit taking his name now? I remember his saying in Advanced Class Special '92 that there were devil spirits names Jesus. That would make sense about the encounter I had with the devil spirit that said he was Al Gore. He was complaining because the rest of the devil spirits ran him out of town. The Devil was afraid of a lawsuit or something challenging his right to the office of President of Hell.

Grizzy: Let's take this scenario. If you just oppose what PJ is doing and support TWI, then I understand the public forum to try to dishonor or discredit him. But if you are opposed to TWI's practices, you understand what he is trying to do and the reasons for the claims and counter-claims. We could come up with endless "legal" reasons TWI can do what they do, but sometimes things that are legal do not make it right or even supported before a judge or jury when facts behind motives, tactics and results are established. Then the court wonders whether the "legal" thing to do then is to deny TWI of its right to rob people of their lives, livlihood, property and money by psychological torment. This is done through counter-claim punitive lawsuits, especially when an organization such as TWI judicially harasses those it wants to shut up and shut down, such as Ex-Cultworld and its information. This lawsuit by TWI may be more than just the domain name. It may also be about his ability to expose TWI's financial and legal affairs, something few are doing. We have web sites opposing doctrine, but TWI cares little for that, except, apparently, in Raf's case where some Corpse are somehow hateful to his site for no apparent reason other than doctrinal issues he brings up. So as far as acting like TWI, this is hardly the case. I simply don't want anybody here giving any ideas to TWI on how to fight PJ. Raf, that is why I wanted private posts. I could hardly believe you think that is abridging your freedom to express yourself publically. It was a suggestion, that was all. Common sense is all I ask on this thread. Either help PJ or not. If you don't want to, you do it publically. If you want to, post privately. Some of the "help" here doesn't seem to me to help anyone at all.

This is in my humble opinion. Regardless of the times, men never should have been mean or physically abused their wives. I was brought up by my family and culture (Scotch-Irish from Boston) to treat women like a lady. I am old-fashioned I assume. I believe in opening doors for women, tipping my hat if I am wearing one, and pay for the entertainment when we are on a date. I help my wife clean the house because she works, too. Sometimes, I like to surprise her by having the entire house done before she gets home and needs to sit back and relax. She has done this for me. I also know she likes a good neck and back massage and a chilled glass of wine every now and then after work. So I make sure that is supplied. I think she is a doll and always will. I cannot imagine a man wanting to abuse his wife. Not in any time.

Raf: I understand where you are coming from, but can you take this to a more private forum? Like a private post to Roberge and discuss all that? It seems to me that PJ is trying to tell us we can fight back and shows us a little how to do that. I don't think TWI needs these ideas coming from GS. I don't think that was the idea here. If I read it right, PJ, while saying most Christian organizations support the Trinity and the Way pushes themselves off as a Christian organization, they do so deceptively, as opposed to The Path of Christ Ministry which states the fact first in its pages. The difference is deception in the matter of the Trinity, not just the opposition to the Trinity. Could all that have opposing opinions please post privately to PJ? Some may be worthwhile to him, but for obvious reasons, let's help him out here. TWI does have this coming. It is nothing more than a bully organization that threatens people and takes their money. Bottom line, the ethics practiced by TWI are non-Christian by biblical standard. I guess some of you are going to chew my butt out. But that's how I feel.

Word to GS. I no longer try to impress or imitate LCM. I am, however, planning to get a spiritual likeness of Al Gore, similar to the one Chris Geer had of VPW's face. I figure if I can walk around with Al Gore's face, and then put my own name on the ballot, I can sue if I lose the presidency. I tried walking around with VPW's face simliar to Chris Geer's spiritual encounter one day at TWI, and was run off the property by Way Corpse who said it was no longer Word Over The World but "The Prevailing Word". Then I walked around Washington DC with Al Gore's face and said I was running for president again after all, and was run out of town by the Democratic Party.

dmiller: You probably, in quoting me, quoted one of MY trigger words. It will probably show up as mine did eventually.

No, just kidding. Not really possessed. But I once tried to be just like LCM. I did everything I could to impress leadership in the early 1990s. I called other Corps and asked to have sex with their wives. I canceled PFAL classes because there might be homos in them. I borrowed from the ABS and built a new house for research into why I had the right to everybody's wives under me. I made speeches about how Clinton was innocently drawn in by Monica Lewinsky, that temptress. I stayed locked up in my room for months on end. I went up onto people at HQ and spit at them. I turned in everybody I could as possibly possessed. LCM loved me, but I was run off grounds by fellow Corpse who wanted to kill me.

It is time for a change! I will now cast out all the debbul spirips out in the name of L. Craig Martindale!!! The MOGFODT. There. Oh, God!!! I am even more possessed!

dmiller: I am here...I am here...! I can't hear you!!! Hope the message gets through, even if it is "derogatory". My post had trigger words because they mentioned a name...Doug McMullan, but he is a public domain name on this site. So it went through.

I don't believe Christians are possessed, either. So you can just forget about my visit with Charlie Manson and the Pentagram carved in my forehead. If Jim Martin, Pawtucket, Rafael, and PJ Roberge all go to the Fountain of Living Waters, you should carry flack jackets so you can deal with the air support they will call in.

Now that I remember it, the couple said "Ex-Cult World" was not a good site to visit. I forgot that one. I can't remember any more of the list they verbally told me, but PJ Roberge is apparently not well liked by Corpse either, or by this one particular Corpse guy. A Barbershop Quartet? Do you guys want to be in the same jail cell with Doug McMullan, another "favorite" of theirs? Are people allowed at the Fountain of Living Waters? I mean, outside the Way? Ex-wayers? Possessed people I mean. Can the Possessed Quartet be allowed there?

Did I read that right? Raf is going to re-post all that? TWI I don't believe was specifically mentioned, but Wierwille was in places. Funny thing is, TWI is trying to rid themselves of Wierwille, I think. So the only thing I can guess is that a lot of their "still current" doctrine and class material is still from Wierwille's class. I think the tithing article makes every tithing ministry or church upset at least some, I guess. Possibly the lack of legalism in his stuff rubs some of the Corpse the wrong way. It was just one Corpse guy telling this couple and he names sites. I have two issues on that. One, if he was Corpse, they are usually told what to do from higher authority, or number two, he tells them to avoid the sites specifically, actually wanting them to visit the sites for some reason. Why doesn't he just tell them to stay off the internet like we were told? Why pick on Grease Spot (never mind...I know why) or Living Epistles? Maybe getting all the frustration out in the open is bad on Grease Spot, but Living Epistles challenges some of their doctrine. Again, tithing, grace, the Blue Book, etc. It's hard to figure out who their Public Enemy number one is...Pawtucket or Raf. It seems neither one of them care what TWI thinks. In fact, Raf, you seem rather proud of it. Oh well, if you don't mind the notoriety. It just seems to me that if you went to TWI HQ and mentioned your name, the heads would start spinning and pea soup flying everywhere.

Great information from ChasU and Bowtwi. Is TWI still doing that "homo" thing? You know, where everybody and everything is a "homo"? I haven't seen much of that since LCM left. Also, I could not figure out why Raf's site was "marked" against a Way believer by this Corpse guy they spoke with. I know he had an article pretty much stating tithing was not a law, which I believe, too. Just wondering if he had some personal exchange with TWI that made this guy believe that. His site isn't all that much listing articles against TWI. He does mention grace a lot in his writings. Maybe TWI can't stand that part, I don't know. Whatever. But I kind of figured they didn't like Greasespot or Pawtucket. I don't know how Paw feels about that. Some ex-Wayers consider a "marked" status by TWI a badge of honor.

What's all this about pancakes? I spit those out the last time I became possessed. "Exie" must mean ex-cathedra. I called her a "he". Sorry, Ex.

Who is "Exie"? Is he possessed?

Hi! Just getting back from driving around doing nothing. I was "possessed" with the idea of taking a vacation day and doing absolutely nothing. Otherwise I would be in a cubicle running my computer. Mike, disagreeing with Steve means you have an independent spirit, not a devil spirit. You are not possessed. Socks: The 'good authority' I have are two standing members of TWI that are thinking of leaving. They do not want their name out. But I wish I could. I think they want to plan their leaving like setting up an apartment (it is a couple) and getting a job first. They do not want to be 'kicked out' because the financial burden would be too great. Hope that helps. These two have heard of Grease Spot via Corps leadership and were warned to stay away from it. They were also warned to not visit any sites such as Living Epistles, Ex-Cult World, CFF's website, CES website and so forth. I do not know why they specifically were warned. They may have access to the net where they live (on grounds at TWI) or leave occasionally and the possibility exists for visiting a library and getting on.

So far, no evidence of possession by any here on this thread or at grease spot. I've been up late thinking about it. My head is spinning. Pea soup hitting the walls and bookcases. I'm going to get some Advil. That should do it.

JP was between a rock and a hard place. A veiled threat of a lawsuit from Harve or The Way means absolutely nothing to me. Remember, JP was kept from properly visiting his family at the grounds. It was cruel and inhumane. Lawsuits should abound against the Way instead of from the Way. In fact, if they threatened to sue me for speaking about my family, I don't think I could be restrained from physically going on grounds and forcing a personal meeting with TWI officials that were going after those threatening me and my family. That is, if that happened to me. But, this has not happened to me. There is only so much abuse I can handle. I would never let the Way rest. Ever. Bad post. It gets me too angry.

Fabio is a dumb blonde that eats margerine that says "I can't believe its not butter". But Fabio is not the devil. I'll go out on a limb here and say Pawtucket is not the devil. Now we must prove we are not possessed.