Eagle

Jasmine Trias was treated especially bad by judges in the last two shows. She finally was voted off but not before doing the best job she had ever done. It is very possible she may end up with a record deal like Kimberley Locke did. Locke was number three last year.

Well, my wife went for Justin Guirini in season one and I went for Kelly Clarkson. Season two, we were both Clay Aiken fans. The rest of the guys in my fellowship voted for Rueben because they thought Clay was too pixie or geeky. They said Clay was a better singer but they couldn't stand him anyway. This season, my wife and I were undecided between Latoya London and Diane DeGarmo. We were in shock when Latoya went, so we are solidly behind the girl from Snellville, Georgia and plan to vote her in as American Idol next week. Fantasia would have to be too incredible and Diana would have to screw up royally for us to vote any other way. But Diana DeGarmo does well under pressure, especially for a 16 year-old. We are hoping she will take this.

If we could get LaToya London, Jennifer Hudson and Jasmine Trias back, who would be your actual choice to be this year's American Idol?

Happy one Johniam!

Happy Birthday Isaac! Happy Birthday Buddy!

I believe someone in one of the former posts indicated they thought Pat was in an offshoot. I disagreed, but only after several posters wrote something else first. please excuse the lateness of my response.

The Path of Christ another "offshoot"? I hardly think so. If it was, it would have at least a resemblance of the former TWI. Too much difference. The only thing similar was the phrase "The Way" of Christ, but that phrase, "The Way" has been used so many times by so many churches. TWI didn't invent that.

Hi Mike and God Bless, I once promoted strongly the idea that born-again children of God could not be possessed. You make me reconsider it when I read your stuff. Wierwille's PFAL was not God-breathed. Most of it was copied and plagiarized from people like BG Leonard, J Stiles, and many more. Not just inspired by...illegally lifted and put into print as if it was his own. The class is the same portrayal of writings he copied. I am happy you are willing to forgive LCM. There will be many having a tough time with that and your example on that part is good. I admit, we must all TRY to lose our bitterness of the past. But if you ask LCM to return to PFAL, it is like asking him to start it all over again. I believe the best thing for Craig is to begin new and restructure his life and put the past behind him and move on, even if he has to join a church. It will be too tough for ex-Way people to trust him into their own fellowships so for him a low profile is best where people do not know him and don't know what he did, especially to women under his pastorship. If he has to look at God's Word, then I suggest he just read the Bible and humble himself to what others have to say now. PFAL is being proven inaccurate day by day. Please see that while you try to keep your spiritual side of forgiveness, you can lose the "way brain" at the same time. I mean this in all honesty, forthrightness, and caring. God Bless. Eagle

This thread is definitely monitored by TWI, so they may bring ideas from it to their attorneys who may check them out to see if they are valid, and if so...use them against Pat. I can bet there are some on this thread with some legal experience. Then again, maybe not.

Def: I'm warning you though, if you leave Grease Spot you'll be Craig Martindale by midnight.

From Ohio.

The only time I remember Harve was at Sunday Night Services doing the introduction: "I'm Harve Platig. Welcome to the beautiful Victor Paul Wierwille Word Over The World Auditorium." A mouthful, I might add. But he pulled it off well.

Better wear a tie in that cyber church or you are out. Jesus would be banned for unorthodox clothing.

What is Harve like?

I wonder if Cyber-worshippers can be possessed by cyber-demons.

Who AM I? I am the opposite of everything you know.

Good Thread. 1. Fear of not getting approval from leadership. 2. Fear of someone looking at you in the wrong way. 3. Fear I wasn't good enough for anything. 4. Fear of failure. 5. Fear of my own shadow. 6. Gradually, all that fear turned into anger, and instead a fear I was going to get violent with someone. I left.

ckeer: I left in '92. The statement was just prior to that. It was not at a Sunday Night Service but in a Corps meeting in '92 where Apprentice Corps were allowed to attend. It was a special meeting where inside information was not given out, just general orders and things we should tell each other. Like the internet was an invention of the Adversary. Good examples were porn sites, etc., but information damning to the Way and newspapers posting articles about them would be on them as well. No sites then were mentioned, only that just the internet was evil. If Corps meetings were on tape in 1992, it was LCM who said it. It was a friendly meeting in the BRC. Surprisingly, no heads were chewed off, perhaps to impress the Apprentice Corps and keep us from dropping out. I am sure the swearing continued afterward because us Apprentice Corps were dismissed but the Active Corps were not.

I like Oldiesman common sense approach to issues on all threads. It sure is a pleasure to read his posts. Geer to me is number one, but since his "threat" now is almost nothing to them, perhaps that is why he is not mentioned. JP Wierwille is number two to me, because he is the known successor (well at least to me) and he made that noted protest about his mother which caused Harve to respond. JP would make his Dad proud today, I think. He is still out there ready to do damage. The Allens should be number three on the list, causing LCM to resign. PJ Roberge follows as number four and climbing as his refusal to give up his domain name and list public documents about the way on Ex-Cult World really is damage along with his counter suit (whether you believe in the suit or not). Pawtucket is number five allowing us a public voice about the way and continuing with what Waydale left off. Jim Martin is number six as his No Way Out web site still is posted with a lot of damaging information. John Juedes, not listed is my number seven with 30,000 plus hits on his site to discredit TWI, John Lynn and CES are also high on this list as they first began by pulling a lot of Corps and Lynn, as well as Schoenheit and others had personal confrontations with Martindale on issues when they were there. Number eight for them. A fast rising number nine is John Shroyer and Wayne Clapp as they continue to expand like CES is and their popularity irks TWI. The more successful they become, the higher on the s*** list of TWI they become. Raf is in the top ten and depending on whether he directly goes after TWI (he doesn't, just shows error in doctrine from TWI) he will continue to be considered one of the "threats" because some apparently believe he is into everything and his influence is far-reaching. Then again, Chris Geer, at first number one, but not a threat anymore, as far as a lot of Corpse are concerned, should be bumped in favor of another number one candidate as the main pain-in-the-a** to TWI. The most hated. The most wanted. Dead or Alive. Number One really are the Grease Spotters who consistently post on this site. The foot soldiers who report their stories. You, Greasespotters, are the biggest threat to TWI. You are the greatest marked. You warn the worl about them. Thus if medals were going out, Greasespotters, as warriors for the truth on TWI, get the U.S. Congressional Medal of Honor, even if Congress doesn't give it to you, Heaven will. This is because you have been to Hell and returned back alive. You have gone to war and returned home. You guys, are THE Number One.

Interesting, if they asked you to jump off a cliff, would you? Not directly, maybe...but people obeyed to do things that later their conscience could not handle and committed suicide in TWI. I wonder how many suicides we had in TWI?

I think fortunateone summed it all up. I am still upset that I was not listed. Even more upset no one knew who I was. Just because I have been out 12 years doesn't give them the right to forget who I am. I am so unimportant. Blows my mind.

This is a Corpse guy's list, but knowing what I know about the Corps, having been in it a short time, was time enough to know this kind of judgment came from someone else. It is not a hit-list, just a list of people who obviously have frustrated the hell out of TWI the last seven or more years. I agree with those that say Geer should top that list...but he was not mentioned. He should be as he was the one who got the paranoia injected into Loy and Loy to the rest of the Corpse. I didn't figure some guys like them having TWI upset with them. Then again, I'm seeing Greasespotters considering this a badge of honor of some sort. Ex-Cult World was mentioned, there was no order, and I am very positive he is fast to being top on the s*** list there. Which doesn't seem to concern Pat at all, either. I believe Raf is independent of CES , just posts on GS, and runs Living Epistles Society, but a paranoid person would sense or fear a conspiracy since his name is prominent on GS and other places. Any other ideas on who is the most villified? I know Pawtucket probably is villified highly for this site. I don't know what he thinks. TWI leadership sometimes has no control over what Corpse thinks sometimes as the paranoia, once let loose, goes wild with imagination. For all I know, these Corpse might be thinking all these guys are trying to take over the world and are homo commies, or something.

We should sell Howard and get back JT's house.

Thanks Exie... Remember the Bible song? B-I-B-L-E, that's the book for me!... Usually reserved for children but we were adults doing maniacal stupid motion to devotion things with it. Ohhhh...WAY,Way, Way, Way Tree... Why don't you set me free? I abundantly share, but you don't care... This ain't the place for me... The leaders are obscessed... They think I am possessed... The chairs were crooked in PFAL class I really gave a rat's ***... They chewed me out from ear to ear... And I repeated my Apprentice year. My last year I decided not to linger. My last motion to devotion was a middle finger. Amen.

I don't believe he is dead. If he was and the dead were alive, he'd be molesting angels.