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Aw, I'm really sorry to see you sign off. I always appreciate hearing your perspective. You seem to have a very wise and practical view on things. In the short time I've been here you have really stood out as a "pillar" of the cafe and your presence will be missed. I've been praying for your health. Look forward to reading your blog. God bless you and your family!

Maybe Romeo the wolf or his ancestor ate Coco. Or am I mixing threads here?

My take is that VP probaby hated the dog because it was faithful to Mrs. W. while he was not. It was loving and kind while he was not and he was jealous of it because it had something that he did not... faithfulness

Yeah right!

Happy Birthday Johnny Lingo! 50 is a great number! (I'll be there in about 8 months too)

Yeah, it was pretty funny. Another funny lunch time at Emporia happened probably the 1st week of 9th corps in res. One of the mucky mucks (I can't remember if it was LCM or George H.) was rambling on after lunch and Martha S. proceeded to make herself comfortable by pulling out a cigarette and lighting it. George got this pained look on his face and asked in a very strained voice what she thought she was doing. "Just having a smoke.", the volume got a little louder as he asked, "Well, do you see any ashtrays on the table?". "No", she replied, "that's okay, I'll just use my plate." After that , the volume exploded, another reaming, but worth the price of admission.

I don't know where any of these folks are today but I knew them all (except not sure I remember Mary Jane) very well back in New Orleans in 1974-75. I had also heard that Steve and Theresa were in Washington. I was also in So. Cal. in the 80s w. Steve and Theresa.

I remember working "head table" at HQ last year in res. must've been 80 or 81. Don't remember a whole lot except that one of the perks was that you got to eat after lunch and pretty much had access to anything in the kitchen fridge. I remember at Emporia I used to like when whoever would go on and on after lunch because it beat working on grounds or busting rocks with sledge hammers. The longer they talked the less time for afternoon jobs... The funniest thing I remember happening at lunch was when one of our "9th Corps brethren" (Rus. C. I believe) stood up and said he had something to "lift". He was given permission (I think it was George H. who was running the show) to come up and "lift" what was on his heart. Instead of coming up to the mic he went right over to one of the 9th corps girl's chair and lifted it high up in the air. It was hilarious. Of course George didn't think so and he got reamed. But it was well worth it.

I remember Good Seed, Joyful Noise, Pressed Down, Takit. I almost always teared up when Claudette R. sang Amazing Grace. What I don't remember was any worship songs. None of the songs that I remember were addressed directly to God, or duh, to Jesus. It could be that I just don't remember them. Does anyone remember any songs addressed directly to God?

I guess even beng a "faithful member of twi household" didn't guarantee a "decent" obit back in the LCM days. I was saddened to hear about an old friend's death . I was sorry to hear that he was still "in" when he died. The way he was treated both in life and in death was truly appalling. Steve was a good man and he deserved better. Here's what was spoken about his death by LCM: To read the entire article, click below: Death in the Promised Land

Thanks for posting that great story. I told it to my kids, as we have four (that's right four) Jack Russells. I feel safer now. Jack Russells are great little dogs. Full of spunk and energy but sweet and brave too. George is a hero, I hope he goes to doggie heaven!Here are three of our little heroes. I'll have to remind myself of George when they dig up the yard.Not sure why there are 3 pics but I have to run so I'll try to edit it later...

I haven't read the book yet but here is an excerpt from a review. Read the entire review by clicking below: From: The Bible, the Qur'an, Bart Ehrman, and the Words of God by Mark Roberts: If my numbers are anywhere near accurate, or if the footnotes in Bible translations are to be believed, this means there are two ways of conveying the same basic fact: "There are more differences among our manuscripts than there are words in the New Testament." – Bart Ehrman "We can have a high level of confidence that the vast majority of the words in the Greek New Testament appeared in the original manuscripts." – Mark Roberts Both of these statements are true. And both are based on the same evidence. And both reflect the bias of the writer. But the simple fact is that most of the time most of the New Testament manuscripts are in agreement with each other. And when there is a disagreement, most of the time text critics are able to discern, with a high degree of probability, which reading is original. This leaves a very small percentage, maybe 1% of the New Testament, where we have genuine textual ambiguity. All of these passages, by the way, could be removed from the Bible without any major impact on Christian theology. I know this for a fact because I've been a teacher and preacher of orthodox (well, I hope) Christian theology for more than 20 years, and I've always made a special effort not to base anything I'm preaching or teaching on a text for which there isn't sufficient manuscript support. Ehrman is clever in his use of language to favor his argument, yet I fear his cleverness may mislead many readers. In his conclusion, for example, Ehrman states, "even if God had inspired the original words, we don't have the original words" (p. 211). Yes, we don't have the manuscript of 1 Thessalonians, for example, and in this sense we can't look at the original words Paul wrote on the page. But virtually every responsible New Testament scholar believes that the critically-reconstructed Greek text of 1 Thessalonians is very close to what Paul once wrote. This can't be proved beyond a shadow of a doubt, of course. But there's no reason to believe that what we read today, if we can read Greek, is substantially different from what Paul wrote. Where we're not sure about which words Paul wrote, we actually have the words, we just aren't positive which ones were original. Moreover, at any rate, the disputed words contribute very little to our understanding of 1 Thessalonians. I don't think Ehrman is being intentionally deceptive when he writes things like "There are more differences among our manuscripts than there are words in the New Testament" and "we don't have the original words." Rather, I think he is himself confused. He became confused, according to his own witness, as a young college student, and especially while in seminary. And that confusion has stayed with him for thirty years. Though Ehrman's an expert in the craft of text criticism, and thought he's an exemplary communicator, the philosophical and theological implications he draws from text criticism are poorly reasoned and quite unconvincing.

There was a red-headed guy named Gary from CO in our branch. His sister, Karen, wasn't with us but she was in the 9th Corps with me. Which Corps were you in? I don't remember Nelda, but I didn't live in N.O. after WOW year.

Well I think they must've been because as far as I remember we only made one trip to DC. Actually, I thought that Joyful Noise played at the Lincoln Memorial, but it's kind of a hazy memory to me so I could be wrong. What do you remember about it? Was there another big meeting too? Was Wierwille there? I remember another meeting in Virginia Beach that year with VP. There's some pictures of our WOW branch in the Way Mag. from that meeting (Whew Who, we're famous!) Fellowshipper who posts here was in Richmond that year. I was from New Orleans, well actually a suburb of N.O called Metairie.

Hi Oakspear, I guess I have a different perspective on this. When I first read your question my thoughts went to all those monks and scribes copying away in monasteries and scriptoriums, and also the Jewish Massoretes who put a "fence" around the Old Testament words to preserve them. Then I thought about the barbarian invasions and other wars and campaigns throughout the years where so many "books and parchments" were destroyed. The passage of time, moisture, decay, insects and other factors of time were also enemies of preservation. Then there were the translators, Wycliffe, Purvey, Tyndale, who risked their lives or gladly gave their lives to make sure that we have the Word of God in our language to read and enjoy. Then I think of intrepid explorers and adventurers like Tischendorf and other who found manuscripts hidden for centuries in obscure desert monasteries I see the hand of God working in unseen ways to make sure that we can go into a bookstore and choose from hundreds of Bibles in any language. Here's a passage from a book that I own: From “The Books and the Parchments” by F.F. Bruce pg. 180: Perhaps we can appreciate how wealthy the New Testament is in manuscript attestation if we compare the textual material for other ancient historical works. For Caesar’s Gallic War (composed between 58 and 50 BC) there are several extant MSS but only nine or ten are good, and the oldest is some 900 years later than Caesar’s day. Of the 142 books of the Roman history of Livy (59 BC – AD 17), only 35 survive; these are known to us from not more than 20 MSS of any consequence, only one of which, and that containing fragments of Books III-VI, is as old as the fourth century. Of the fourteen books of the Histories of Tacitus (c. AD 100) only four and a half survive; of the sixteen books of his Annals, ten survive in full and two in part. The text of these extant portions of his two great historical works depends entirely on two MSS, one of the ninth century and one of the eleventh. The extant MSS of his minor works all descend from a codex of the tenth century. The History of Thucydidies (c. 460-400 BC) is known to us from 8 MSS, the earliest belonging to c. AD 900, and a few papyrus scraps, belonging to about the beginning of the Christian era. The same is true of the History of Herodotus (c. 488-428BC). Yet no classical scholar would listen to an argument that the authenticity of Herodotus or Thucydides is in doubt because the earliest MSS of their works which are of any use to us are over 1300 years later than the originals. So when we are considering the textual evidence for the Biblical writing, we should ask what kind and amount of evidence we might reasonably expect, having regard to other ancient writings of comparable date… But the textual evidence for the New Testament is abundant beyond all comparison with these other works. The number of extant mss of all or part of the Greek NT runs to about 5000.

Hi Twinky, Have you seen the spirit, soul and body thread in the doctrinal section? It may have got off on a kind of tangent discussion about the part the mind plays in receiving revelation. But the point you bring up here is a perfect reason to consider that every man is really a three-part being, spirit (of man), soul (the intellect and emotions) and body (well, you know). Every man is created in the image of God, spirit. The un-born again man has an unregenerate spirit which still has a hunger to know its Creator. When the Holy Spirit comes into the spirit of man when he's born-again then the man becomes spiritually alive. It's the spirit of man that has eternal life and is judged at the judgment seat.

Kit, It there's one thing that shines through in all your posts and replies that I have read, it's that you are a genuinely nice and thoughtful person. This little corner cafe is better because you're here. I don't know you but you can really see your genuineness and compassion for others here. Thanks for being here.

Hi Tonto, Sorry to resurrect an old thread but since I'm new to GS cafe I'm doing some "research" in the older threads. This WOW handbook brought back some old memories. I was "WOW" in Richmond, VA that year. Those guys really do look like little Caspers or teeth. Yes, I remember pouring over that handbook looking for wisdom... They were perky little ghosts weren't they? I remember going to DC during the Joyful Noise concert in DC during the bicenntenial, seeing Ted Ferrell sing "The White House across the Street" or whatever the name of the song was. It was a fun trip and we actually got to do some sightseeing. Were you there?

Wow Bagpipes. Thanks so much for sharing the link. Your life story made me cry. You are amazing and talented. I didn't read all the poems yet but I'll definitely go back and read and re-read them. Just wanted to tell you how much I appreciated your talent and willingness to share it. Do you play the bagpipes? My 15 year old son is learning to play them.

Hey RG, I don't think you need to apologize at all, but thanks I thought you had a good observation, and I can totally relate to the test taking thing, I still have nightmares sometimes that I'm in a final exam and have no idea what the test is about or how to answer any of the questions.

I'd like to put the 9th Corps back on top but I'm not sure if I could or should jump into this conversation. So how's the weather?

Well at least you passed. I agree, I answered some of the questions halfway between agree and disagree because I needed a third answer for, "Huh?" or at least "I don't know" but I doubt that was the "right" answer. But then again, who made them the official keeper of right answers? Like you said, it was just for fun.

Thanks for the suggestion. I was planning to but your suggestion prompted me to get online and reserve it.

I had the book in my cart yesterday at Costco but I couldn't bring myself to plunk down the money for it so I put it back. I would like to read it, just don't want to pay money for it. I have studied the history of the NT canon and I think it's amazing how God protected not just the canon but preserved the manuscripts through the centuries. Can't say much more since I haven't read the book but when I do I'll get back to you...

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