George Aar

He's back in Ohio, close to his home town. We know his sister, Stacy, pretty well and she only lives a few miles from us. Email me for more info. geoaar@foxinternet.com geo.

Whathe, "Somewhere deep down in all of us, we all want to be the Superhero" Says who? Being just a tad presumptuous, no? geo.

Then there was the sequel, "I Make my Bowstring from the Intestines of the Unholy", but somehow it lacked the panache of the original. geo.

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And while you're bemoaning the fact that you'll be SEVERAL MINUTES late for work thousands of mothers around the world are wailing over their dying child, begging God to make them well or provide them with a meal. We've got it pretty good in this country. The concept of framing every incident in life in some sort of cosmic contest of "BATTLE OF THE GODS" never appealed to me much. Sometimes it gets better, a lotta times it gets worse. Might as well enjoy the ride. geo.

This is a very minor point, but one that struck me a while ago. A couple of times in the class V.P. makes mention of devil worshippers or "hooky-pook" artists - as he called them and then mentioned "Ouija" boards as if they were objects of long-standing and evil repute. In actuality the "Ouija" board is quite a recent invention. It was first introduced as a novelty item in the late 19th century. And, despite what Wierwille taught and many religious folks still believe today, there's little "evil" involved with it, just a simple quirk known as the "ideomotor effect". Anyone who is sure that the devil is the power behind the messages emanating from the devious tool need only blindfold the participants and then see what happens to the "messages" from beyond. Funny how a simple blindfold can defeat the power of the devil. geo. [This message was edited by George Aar on January 16, 2003 at 9:26.]

Rafael, O.K., one last try and then I'll leave it lay. I think it could be argued that Abraham WAS receiving revelation, he just wasn't aware of it. Similar to Samuel when he was having his spell of hearing voices (holy ones that is) and assuming that someone in the room was talking to him. Aren't there several incidents like that in the Bible? I dunno myself anymore. To me it's kinda like musing about what Uncle Remus REALLY said. It's all fiction anyway, at least IMNSHO. geo.

Rafael, Re:"With all due respect to George, I don't think 'God will provide' is an example of Abraham foretelling. I think it's an example of Abraham lying." I'm not going to give up that easy on this one. Sure, maybe Abraham THOUGHT he was lying, but he was a MOG, afterall, so why couldn't he unknowingly be prophesying? You know what great weight the words of a MOG have, afterall. And Wierwille was so adamant about it. "Abraham never foretold anything!" "I'll eat the book!" "If you can't find anything, then YOU eat it, fair enough?" Abraham said something - it came to pass just as he said it would . Why is that not foretelling? Whether he meant it or not seems irrelevent to me. geo.

O.K., since Karl has admonished me... There's two others I just thought of. In Genesis, when VPW is talking about Abraham and Isaac, he makes the statement "You tell me anything in the Bible that Abraham ever 'fore' told and I'll eat the book" (this was in reference to another bizarre Wierwillian tenet, that all prophesy is either "forthtelling" [is that even a word?] or "foretelling"). Well, IIRC, when Abraham is taking Isaac up in the hills to sacrifice him, Isaac asks, "Where is the animal for the sacrifice?" To which Abraham replies "God will provide one for us." Which was actually what happened. Wasn't that "foretelling"? The other one takes me out on a little thinner ice, as I've not studied this stuff (nor do I ever again intend to) for a loooong time. But I remember after first taking "the class" in '74 that I spent a day or so in the "stacks" at the U.W. library. Looking through various and sundry "Biblical studies" texts, I quickly found that, Wierwille's assertions notwithstanding, the seven "church" epistles do not always occur in the same order, from one text to the other. Hence some of the underpinnings for the "doctrine - reproof - correction" teaching are bogus as well. geo.

Don't forget the pathetic error of placing the Council of Nicaea in FRANCE! Geez Pete, Wierdwolf didn't even have much of the rudimentary knowledge of The Bible down very well, yet he had us believing he had some special deal with the Almighty to get the Secret Bible Decoder Ring. Get over it Mikey. Wierwille was a cheap grifter, charlatan, conman, pick-a-name. The fact that we all bought into his line of B.S. so deeply is to our shame, not our benefit. Are you this enthused about selling Amway as well? Mental hygiene alert! geo.

Mike, Re your comment: "There's such a fine balance between gullibility and skepticism." While skepticism is an attribute we should all aspire to (IMHO) I can find nothing positive about being gullible. These are not balancing influences in our lives, one should be practiced and the other needs to be overcome. We are not brain-washed heathen (well the "heathen" part might apply to some here). We've spent considerable time contemplating the same crap that you've come to embrace. We've just managed to discard it and move on with our lives. The fact that you've been able to convince yourself of the dogma of the Huckster from Ohio does not neccessarily make you more enlightened than the rest of us. It might just mean that you're more gullible. geo.

Brad Hinch is back in Spokane, Wa. Sad to say, but I think he's still IN. You can get his address, phone #, etc. on the people finder search engine at www.altavista.com geo.

Mike, Re:"I don't believe the details of those reports" See my first post. geo.

So the fact that VPW was a blatant plagiarist, serial rapist, liar, conman, and egomaniacal psychopath, is all simply irrelevent? geo.

Mike, Re your comment: "So, here are the topics I deliberately ignore now that I’ve made my decision based on careful consideration of the facts and the truths: sex scandals, plagiarism, weather reports.... the list goes on," Basically aren't you simply saying "Don't confuse me with facts, my mind is made up"? And as far as the losses in your life due to your abject adherence to Wierwillian dogma, I've known numerous people over the years who've lost at least as much due to their unthinking obediance to alcohol, heroin, pornography, or other debilitating vices. The fact that your addiction has a veneer of respectability doesn't mitigate the harmfulness of it. Although I doubt you'll pay any attention to this advice whatsoever (you know the TRUTH after all). Why not take a break from your "Prophet of the true MOG" status for a few months and see things from a little different perspective for awhile? The change just might do you some good. geo.

Danny, The original is currently doing the sattelite T.V. "circuit". I saw a bit of it and, yes, it does seem ponderously long and overly introspective. No wonder the "critics" sing it's praises. geo.

Jeff, I never knew Buddy myself (I didn't get into the WayWreckers scene until long past the time anyone with a lick of sense would have - '87). I think he left the year before I came on staff. Me and half a dozen or so other lackies finished the housing in the "unit park" and basically farted around the rest of the time. It was a real joke. The cabinet shop crew really lived in their own little world to a great extent and when their operation was being drastically cut back they didn't show much (if any) allegeiance to TWI (with one notable exception). We were running the "leadership" tapes or whatever that crap was called from Gartmore and they was lots of murmurring and outright dissention 'round the cabinet shop and, while I don't know exactly what the boys planned on doing, I don't think it involved anything with Wayworld. geo. [This message was edited by George Aar on December 02, 2002 at 23:57.]

Gawd, it's been so long, and my memories of Wayworld are fast fading (one of the good things about getting older) but I think Buddy Curry went to Georgia (?). I know a bunch of the cabinet shop guys went to Georgia after the meltdown of Wayworld in the spring of '89, and I thought they (Dana King, Payton, and some others) were talking about meeting up with Buddy in GA. One of the Schaffers owned a home outside of Gunnison in the late '80s, but I've clean-forgotten his first name. Yeah, I've been a BIG help haven't I? Chalk up another victory for CRS disease. geo.

I immediately thought of the artwork on such periodicals as "The Watchtower" and "Awake" when I saw this. Is there some rule that all religious publications MUST use the most syrupy, saccharine crapola they can possibly concoct to illustrate their propoganda? Eeewwww.... Gives me the creeps... geo.

to the sweetest guy in the cafe. much love, hugs and kisses, love, suz & geo geo. (this was written by suz, but of course, geo would NEVER call another guy, "the sweetest in the cafe'" he allows ME to give all the XXX & OOO's

Yeah, they musta been doing "research" there, huh? Why else would a MOG go to a porn shop? (whata creep!) geo.

John, re:"Where did he get this video and under what circumstances?" I read somewhere (on GS?) that VP and Howard bought the tape at some underground bookstore in Berkeley in the early '70s. IIRC geo.

Boy did we have some great anniversary! I worked till 10 (pm) and came home BEAT. I tossed and turned all night (no I DON'T snore) and Suzie finally got fed up and went and slept on the couch. I know, I'm a romantic fool. Friday we're going to the local Jazz club (Dimetrios Jazz Alley) and seeing Kaaren Allison. That should make up for it. George loves Suzie (still). geo.

Great pic Kit! Looks just like us ('cept I shaved my moustache a month or so ago) geo.

I'd like to comment re: anecdotal evidence. It's really an oxymoron as it's not evidence of anything. I open the mailbox and my mail is in there, ergo opening the mailbox PRODUCES my mail, right? Why not? It happens EVERY DAY! Who can deny evidence like that? Every infomercial, televangelist, psychic, or scam artist of any stripe depends heavily on anecdotal evidence. It was the stock-in-trade of every medicine man, carnival barker that ever lived. Is that the kind of stuff you want to base your healthcare - or your LIFE - on? Be my guest, but I would certainly hope not. geo.