George Aar

What if there IS no baby? Maybe it's just dirty water. "Does this mean I'm still brainwashed???" I dunno. Maybe...

"Drugging rape....death..broken marriages...children aborted..... These do not bear the ear marks of a spiritually healthy foundation. " To which I could only reply - DUH! Which makes me think that those that continue to hang onto the twisted dogma and mythology of WayWorld and propound how wonderful it was "back then" must have some serious mental stuff going on. Sorry Wayferites, I can't think of any other way to accomodate such preposterous beliefs, especially in light of what we know now. You're whacked, that's the only conclusion I can come to...

DOW Hits 13,000 !!!!!, How's your 401K ??

Well, I'm "EXTREMELY BRAINWASHED" - and they'd like to know "how did I ever let it go this far?" To which I'd like to reply "AGFYS", 'cept I can't seem to find that button...

Linda, Re:"He is the bridge saint, isn't he, or did he get de-sainted?" Wow, where ya been? First off, I think he was the patron saint of travelers. And secondly, yeah, he's been out of a job for years. It's just plain "Chris" now...

A pedestal sink is really just a wall-hung sink with a column under it. The sink hangs off the wall on a hanger bracket and the pedestal part simply slids underneath it. The plumbing is the same as a regular lav. except it's good to have the drain outlet pretty well centered under the sink. I usually just put a bit of caulking in between the sink and the pedestal to hold it in place. If you need to remove it to service the plumbing, just cut the caulking out with a razor knife. If you're a little handy with tools, building a small vanity like that would be a snap. Especially when you order the door premade. I guess it just depends on the look you're after. Either way will function just fine.

Just curious WD, what exactly are you looking for as "proof"? Semen samples maybe? Video tape? Tokins of virginity? Obviously the likelyhood of any such "hard" evidence showing up at this late date is beyond remote, so I guess you're safe in your stalwart stance. Kudos for your bravery! Nevermind that the unstated reply to the victims here is that THEY"RE LYING. Nah, just ignore 'em. After all, where's the DNA tests, the fingernail scrapings, and soiled underwear?

I don't have much of anything to contribute to the effort anymore. I "blew my wad" on WayDale years ago. I got it all out and now it's all gone. I was thoroughly ....ed for all the crap I put up with at WayWorld and posted several times a day for months. But the fire's out now. Sorry. I'm sure glad "exTWI" didn't charge for the therapy. Gawd, I'd owe him a fortune...

Yeah, Dan, I was a Wayfer - for 15 long years. Hated it mostly, but went along 'cause I had the idiot notion that "there was nowhere else to go" (!). I was a Methodist before that, and spent my early years in a Lutheran Church. My earliest recollections of religious life (time in the church) were always in a pretty agnostic frame of reference. I think I've just gone back to my real "roots" now. (Yeah, I know, the old "dog returning to his vomit" - great verse huh?) Mostly all religions strike me, more and more, as being really preposterous. They all seem to want desperately to have some sort of reason or logic to back them up, but, rather than lay down some basic reasons why their beliefs make sense, generally just do an endrun around logic and declare their faith to be "The Truth" by fiat. I'm not much impressed anymore. And it strikes me that - if there really is a GOD, He must be one capricious mutha. But life goes on just fine without Him, or, as good as it ever did anyway. I can identify with the "painful" part though. That pain struck me every time I tried to study The Bible and have it make sense. I never got there... Oh, and BTW, welcome. I don't know why, but you strike me as a gentle, egalitarian sorta guy. But maybe one that reads too much. Anyway, nice to "see" you here...

Well, I think he's got an appropriate name. Yawny, sleepy, snorey, - could be a good "new age" group, huh? I do think that anything Wayflavored would HAVE to be worse though...

I dunno, isn't "biblical accuracy" sorta like "military intelligence", "jumbo shrimp", or "corporate ethics"?

I don't know how badly you need the storage space in the vanity, but maybe you could put in a pedastal sink? If you have adequate medicine chest space and a place for towels and the like, they make LOTS of pedastals that fit in a tight spot like that and look nice. Otherwise I'd get a local cabinet guy to build you one. It's not the cheapest option, but - as you're already finding out - anything commercially available in that small of a size is going to be crap, guaranteed...

Hey! Just because a guy has some shortcomings in his personal life doesn't mean he can't be teaching the TRUTH! I remember the early days of Cresciendo en Gracia, Boy was that ever GREAT! Jesus would teach us The WORD like it hadn't been known for centuries! So you just quit your criticizing! Yeah, maybe there was adultery, fraud, embezzling, misappropration of funds, and unbridled hedonism at the top, but I just know that God talked to me! And who are you to judge anyway? Like you've never defrauded the credulous hordes out of their hard-earned life savings before? Sure, it's easy to pick at somebody's little indescretions when YOUR sins aren't being scrutinized...

Adam and Eve are historical figures, who lived 5000 - 7000 years ago. F Jesus of Nazareth uniquely represented the Creator as His Son. F The risen Jesus Christ is my Lord. F The Book of Job is allegorical. That is, it attempts to explain human suffering using fictional characters. T The disciple John, one of "the twelve", wrote 5 Books: John, 1John, 2John, 3John, and Revelation. U Paul wrote Hebrews. U Moses wrote Genesis. F David wrote the 23rd Psalm. U Paul's doctrine of "by faith alone" contradicts James' doctrine, as recorded in the Book of James. It sures seems to Four were crucified with Jesus. Well, being as I'm not too sure there even was a "Jesus of Nazareth" I'm pretty ambivalent on this one. I speak in tongues in my private prayer life. F God loves homosexuals. I'm not real sure there is a God, so again, pretty ambivalent... Homosexuality is not a sin. T, well I guess I should know how you define "sin" first God does not hate. See above 1 Cor. 12 says that all nine "manifestations" of the spirit are the privilege of everyone who has been "born again" by confessing Jesus as their lord, and believing God raised him from the dead. (When combined with Romans 10:9 and other scriptures.) U The prayer of a believer can move God to do something He would not otherwise have done. Sure doesn't seem like it. Mormonism, Catholicism, and JW’s are perversions of Christianity. How about just "perversions" just LIKE Christianity? Some of Jesus’ teaching is impossible to carry out. U "Sin consciousness" is not in the believer’s self-interest. U The canon is closed. Another authentic letter of Paul will never surface. If you say so. There are authentic apostles and prophets of God living and ministering today. F And for the essay questions: Uh, what did Jesus mean? I dunno, what did Spiderman mean when He said something? And working on the Sabbath? I take that about as seriously as I do the admonition to abstain from Lobster or Catfish, that is, not at all. I do appreciate a day off now and then though, thank you very much... O.K., I finished the form, do I get the loan?

GARSH! Oil in Alaska? Who'd a thunk, huh? Well it seems this guy did (in 1896): "Oil and gas seeps occur along the Gulf of Alaska coastline. These seeps were undoubtedly discovered by local Native inhabitants, but Tom White is credited with the discovery of oil at Katalla in 1896. Most of the wells in the Katalla district, including the discovery well, were drilled on oil seeps or near other producing wells. Wells in the field appear to have produced from fractured sandstone and siltstone within the shaley middle part of the Katalla Formation, at depths ranging from 360' to 1,750'. Comparable zones of fractured rocks along faults or folds elsewhere in the Katalla district appear to offer the best possibilities for accumulations of oil in quantity equal to or larger than the Katalla oil field. Most of the known anticlines are of small amplitude, are tightly compressed, and lack structural closure. (USGS Open File Report 50 p. 63-64 and USGS Open File 75-508)." - AAOGC survey And - similar to his fastfood empire - the Mr. Wierwille just couldn't seem to get the details worked out, huh? That devil sure is a pesky little guy...

Some of the really big things I learned whilst in WayWorld: 1. It's GOOD to be the MOG - VERY good 2. 15% is a big bite out of your check every week 3. All of God's people are equal, but some are moreso 4. Even large groups of people can be trained to act really peculiarly 5. It doesn't matter if reason, common sense, and even basic morality is on your side, you can still be easily trumped by someone further up the "WayTree" But the #1 thing I learned, a lesson that I carry with me everyday - Religion (or whatever you call your ethereal superstitions) is Bu//$h1T, you're welcome...

Well, I don't know about the rest of the folks, but I"M impressed Socks. Takes a lot of courage to take on the "Quickie Mart's" big brother, and UNARMED too! (I assume?) Now if you REALLY wanta show us what you're made of you get that glob of hair-glop out of the shower drain...

Yeah, I don't remember the thingy about the arches either, but I do remember the Vicster sitting down with "his" advanced class pupils at Emporia, all comfortable-like while he got down with his homeys, and revealing how God had showed him how with all the cars on the road that fast-food restaurants would be all the rage. And who can doubt that all the fastfood joints in the country are of divine origin? Such healthy food and served and consumed in such heavenly manner...

When I was purging all my WayWorld crap a few years back, what didn't go on the burnpile ended up on eBay. There was some hopelessly WayBrained guy in Florida (IIRC) that was buying up ANY Way-flavored crap as if it was the lost fragments of The Dead Sea Scrolls. He paid me something like $80. or so for a couple of pages of inkjet-printed "research" material for the Aramaic dictionary that WayWorld was all enthralled with at one time. And I think there were at least 3 or 4 others that were bidding against him for the lost treasures I had listed. EBay is pretty simple to do Topper. All tutorialed up to the point where you can't slip up. Just post it and watch the dollars roll in. Might be good for a flight to Cabo or something...

Well, actually, I asked FOUR questions...

I've noticed with cereal and a few other food items that the generic brands often DON"T measure up. I got the generic Oatmeal awhile back (saved a whole 20 cents I bet) and the stuff was junk. It was milled into almost a flour and cooked up very similar to wallpaper paste. I've had similar experiences with popcorn, canned peaches, and peanut butter. Sorry to say, but - at least some of the time - the generics AREN"T as good. And, like somebody already mentioned, the generics are often produced by the same companies as make the "Real" stuff, only they "custom label" the generic product. And, at least some of the time, it seems that maybe they're getting rid of their lower quality raw material when they make the off-brand product. I've noticed that "Trader Joe's" sells LOTS of poor-quality stuff, off grade, culls in their produce and the like. I've never understood why some people like that place so much. There's hardly a thing they stock that I like...

" there are some scholars who question the authenticity of this Gospel being written by Barnabas." Uh, yeah. And there are NUMEROUS scholars who question the authenticity and attribution of all the rest of the gospels (and the church and pastoral epistles and a good portion of the old testament) as well. So where does that leave us? With a collection of spurious, dubious, and outright mistaken sto-ries, as in "Tell me a sto-ry Daddy!" My question still goes unanswered though. What is it about "The Bible" that generates such respect and veneration? How can one claim it MUST be The Truth, but other holy writings are not? Anyone catch any of "A Brief History of Unbelief" on PBS? Some great thoughts to ponder there...

"So, if my child is sick, I am not to pray for him to be healed? If I have lost my job to an earthquake, I am not to pray for a new one? If my truck dies, I am not to pray for a new one and the best possible deal? If I do happen to be in a mad rush to be somewhere, and traffic is heavy, I am not to pray to God for a break in the traffic so I can be where I need to be on time and to be able to keep my word to someone?" By all means. But, why limit your options? Why not rub your rabbit's foot, chant the diamoku, and pray the Rosary as well? If a little superstition is good, more must be better, right?

"And what do we do to all of the dumb people? Give them free library cards? " Hey, that would be a start! I don't know how that could hurt, as long as they don't eat the covers off of too many books. What are we supposed to do now? Relate all the wonderful accomplishments of the stupid? Sorry, I think knowledge is a wonderful thing. I don't make any apologies for that. Yes, and I know the drill. You don't have a religion, it's just the relationship of a Father with his children, blah, blah, blah. Sorry, it's still superstitious nonsense to me. And to elevate one's unsubstantiated beliefs in the ethereal above knowledge is how we get young men to pilot planes into skyscrapers and blow up babies in the markets. Dogmatism, intolerance, pomposity, you've got it all working for WW. Go get 'em boy...

People who elevate their religion about reason are very scary to me. (yeah, I know, it's not a religion, yada, yada. Put a cork in it)