George Aar

Nope, I can't cite it, Mike. You see it was a little-known text that I stumbled upon in my research and I can't currently locate it. That's O.K. from a Wierwillian-scholarship point of view though, no? Actually I may be entirely mistaken on that point. Seems like I heard it, but I can find no evidence of it on the net. I did find this though, if you're really into arcane bits of trivia: http://www.britam.org/khazars.html

HA! I'd forgotten about the "four arguments" book. I'd read that some years before my involvement with WayWorld. IIRC, it was being strongly promoted in the "Mother Earth News" - a periodical that I was want to read in my hippy daze. As I remember it, it was a rambling, disjointed, often incoherent, voluminous screed against television broadcasting in general. Yeah, another reasonable addition to WayWorld's scholarly book recommendations! With regards to the previously mentioned works being discredited, hell, Woodrow (and I think Koestler as well) disavowed their books THEMSELVES! For a bit about Holocaust denial refutation, just scroll up a bit in this very thread to find some references. Or take a look at Shermers' "Why People Believe Wierd Things", he gives a pretty exhaustive analysis of the whole canard...

Here's a guy I've been a die-hard fan of for some time now. Maybe some of you guitar afficienados could critique his ability a bit? (Evan?) Is he just another hack musician, or is he as good as I think he is?

Well Mike, maybe you "never heard it" simply 'cause you weren't paying attention. Fact is "The Myth of the Six Million" and "The Hoax of the 20th Century" were BOTH on the recommended reading list of WayWorld as was Koestler's book. All three of which have been thoroughly discredited. Makes one wonder if there wasn't some sort of agenda that TWI had in regard to modern Jewry? At BEST, their book choices are deeply disturbing, not to mention their fondness for "Bablyon Mystery Religion", but I digress... The book I don't recall hearing anything about in WayWorld was Hal Lindsey's book. To this day I know next to nothing about it. If this was what Mr. Wierwille was trying to counteract with his book selections, well I think his actions were unnecessary - at least in my case...

Yeah, what 3-cents said... You seem to be trying really hard to remain faithful to what may well be nothing but superstitious nonsense. People from their stoneaged beginnings have always besought some unseen force to better their lot in life. There are thousands (maybe millions?) of religions that have been cooked up over the centuries. Some are long since dead, a few manage to thrive and are still quite effective at screwing up peoples' lives all over the world to this day. Maybe before you spend a lot more time obsessing over which fairies and tinkerbells are the "right" ones, maybe take a few steps back and figure out if ANY of it makes any damned sense. I have, and - it didn't. YMMV "For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan

I've been trying to think of some nasty remark I really regret making, but, I can't. I guess I'd need some imput from somebody who's been the recipient to figure out what I might have said to really pi$$ somebody off. And I don't get much of that anymore. Hell, I don't get ANY anymore. I did manage to give my mother a hug yesterday, though. First time in my life that I can recall. Maybe that's somethin', huh?

Yeah, when you really think it out to it's logical conclusion it is beyond ridiculous. If "All believing equals receiving" and then "All receiving equals believing" it follows then that whatever goes on in your life - it's all a direct result of your believing. Step in a warm pile of dog poop while going to check the mail? You musta believed for it man! Inherit a gazillion dollars from a long-lost, late relative? Yer believing! A rock ding in your windshield? Believing! Lousey show at the movies? Your crumby believing again! Your Aunt Mabel sends you a fruitcake for Christmas? Buhleeeving! It's beyond childish to think that there is some kind of powerbeam that emanates from our brain and that it affects everything in our environment, but that's what one MUST accept if you're to subscribe to this particular Wierwillian tenet. I agree with Groucho, stupid - REALLY stupid...

The sick are even sicker, the dead are still dead, the broke are only moreso - as are the homely, stupid, and unlovable. In short, the "LAW" didn't WORK! Jeezus, how people can hang onto that fiction, even after decades of no results themselves - it's just remarkable. Of course there's always that occasional parking place right up by the front door of the Value Village that keeps 'em going, I guess...

[ Just think about how it was used in twi. Did you ever hear VP teach that one may believe to win the lotto, for example? Yeah, I'm thinking about how it was used in TWI. Like we were supposed to believe for sunshine for the ROA. Yeah, THAT worked out really well every year... And I DO remember the Vicster relating HIS experiences at a Las Vegas casino and winning a bunch of money and all, but it was just to test out his revelation receiving abilities I guess. The rabble were always instructed NOT to gamble, because, obviously there were bigger NEEDS at WayWorld that we should be spending our money on...

Wait a minute though. I thought that "believing equals receiving"? So then, by the mathematical logic that was inherrent in PFAL, then "receiving equals believing", right? So Deciderator's son MUST have been believing for that baseball!

Well gentlemen, you can get as ingdignant and outraged as you like, but the fact remains, that IS how Mr. Wierwille taught the vaunted "LAW OF BELIEVING. "It works for saint and sinner alike", "Well, if you don't want to receive that, then Almighty God would have to change the way He set up the whole world, just for your benefit" "What killed that child? The FEAR in the heart and the life of that mother!" And remember his story of the two evil old local businessmen there (I guess in New Knoxville) who got together every morning to "believe" for things they wanted to accomplish in business? Sure, they operated that law of believing and got filthy, stinking rich! And they weren't even Christians! (who are the only ones who SHOULD prosper, right?) And OM, quit with the strawmen arguments O.K.? You know as well as I that you're simply misrepresenting what the Juedes' article is saying. Of course, intellectual dishonesty is sort of a requirement to remain a fervent Wierwillite I would think...

Mighty snappy outfits those wholesome youngsters are wearing!

The sandwich I made today: Buttered bread, dill pickle slices, salt and pepper. O.K., so it's time to buy groceries...

Geeze, I find out who you really are and now you're gonna take off? I know you. Didn't we spend a bit of time talking at the ROA? I think you knew Cheryl H.? Maybe you worked in a broom factory once? Not sure if I've got the right guy, but it seems like it. Memory being what it is, well, I have my limits. I think you should reconsider just leaving. Sure there's jerks that frequent the place (I'm quite sure some would put ME in that category), but we all know who they are after awhile and just marginalize them or ignore them entirely. The rest are pretty much regular folks. No need to get too worked up about the occasional self-absorbed, condescending patricians that vent some gas here. It's probably one of their only places where they have any voice anymore, so... Check into chat from time to time anyway, huh?

Yeah, amazing story. Waaay cool. Uh, time to trim the flight feathers maybe?

Uh, I think you mean "fallacy"? Or... maybe not...

"Mr. Hammeroni, I understand what you mean but you must remember that many of the benefits of having faith are in the spiritual realm, that may not necessarily have physical manifestations like money." In other words, you imagine them...

Lots of great restaurants in and around town, the Golden Gate Bridge (naturally), Golden Gate Park, and the Palace of Fine Arts (I think that's what it's called, it's not far from the Bridge and is a leftover from the World's Fair in 1908 or so), The DeYoung Museum is nearby there too ,it's neat. Of course the cable cars, ya gotta do that, and maybe go to Ghiradelli Square and Fisherman's Warf. You could probably do all that in one day, as those places aren't all that remarkable, but worth a look. Hearst Castle is way cool though. The ride there is pretty neat too, but be aware that the road is EXTREMELY windy and narrow, as it follows right along the coast. So you won't make good time driving there, and once you're on the road, there's no way off of it (short of turning around, which could be quite a feat in itself). Might as well spend awhile at Big Sur while you're there, it's pretty.

I"m usually not much impressed with what passes for "talent", be it T.V., theatre, or the music scene. But every now and then somebody comes along with a little different "take" on things and has the ability to really pull off something magical, Like this: http://www.randi.org/media/Puppet.wmv Maybe I'm just easily amused?

Hell, if they really wanted to downsize, couldn't they accomplish everything they do right now out of an 8' X 10' office space in town somewhere? Yeah, that and a storage garage at "Public Storage" and they'd have it made. Sell everything else, properties, props, WayProd crap, equipment, facilities, all of it. Just sell it all and then play church for as much as they have to, to please the IRS, and then take more sabatacals in the Cayman Islands or somesuch. Maybe they could turn the whole shebang into a Mail Order operation and sub-out the publications and mailings to another firm, give themselves a big-a$$ raise and screw around even more than they are already?

And also: "Allen died at the Jack Tar Hotel in San Francisco, California on June 11, 1970 at the age of 59. The coroner's report concluded Allen died from liver failure brought on by acute alcoholism.[1] Police found his body in a "room strewn with pills and empty liquor bottles." Anybody else see a pattern here?

Dot, I think it's wonderful that you seem to get some comfort and reassurance from your beliefs, but I wouldn't invest much in this guy's "ministry". Just take a close look at the video (a pretty OLD event it seems). First the little girl walks up on her own two feet, with no evidence of any pain or discomfort. Then the "minister" pushes her leg up to make it appear shorter, then - while praying - watch his fingers as he stretches that leg back out again. Then he puts the little girl down and she walks ( and runs) pretty much the same as she did to begin with - still with a limp (which the minister excuses as simply old habit). I don't know, as charlatans go, I don't think this guy even rates up there with the likes of Peter Popoff or Benny Hinn. I think he's more on a par with Uri Geller maybe. Cheap tricks, unconvincing results...

I got an erection the other day. I was so blessed I just had to share the miraculous event with somebody! The produce man at Kroger's wasn't that impressed...

Just in case though, I'm working out my contingency plan - Asbestos water ski rentals!

O.K., I'm being a jerk. I hope you get some rain soon, though, I do...