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I did mean "Packages" as a euphemism. Relating Santa to VPW. VPW had a physical body. How real he was is up for debate.

"I'm nobody. I'm a tramp, a bum, a hobo. I'm a boxcar and a jug of wine, and a straight razor if you get too close to me" - Charles Manson I don't believe we are divorcing personal responsibility here. But how do you relate to a person unable to have their own identity? That have masks . . . And we relate to one mask and someone else relates to another.

I don't think calling someone dead is dehumanizing. They are dead and lack the abilities of the living. That's why they become so capable at behaviors many wouldn't fathom. To unmask them. To see behind the mask, is too see the void. And when you stare to long into the void . . .

Christmas was a curse word and Santa was to point out how lucky one is to be raised in a cult. Other children are lied too, but not us. I do have to imagine what you mean. I think LCM would rage "Christ-MASS . . Christ-MASS" . . . associated it with death along with the crucifix by his reasoning . . . again the preoccupation with death.

Well I don't think Santa delivered packages to the Motor Coach. More like a body on life support. Like brain-dead. But identity dead. Personality dead. A corpse is not a person. VPW was not a person. Animated, but non-existent.

I agree "spirit" is being used in the sense of group identity here, nothing ethereal meant. I mentioned in the first post the body language of the cult leaders. NPDs wear masks. There's no man behind the curtain . . . there's a void instead. The followers are in a way, interacting with, worshiping, adoring, . . . nothing. To realize that I think can be shocking.

I guess we can get more macabre. Cults often die with the leader. At times the leaders take the followers with them --> Kind of the attitude "If I can't have these followers, no one can". NPD hates you and needs you at the same time, and doesn't want you happily following someone else. What did VPW want with an aqueous shrine and vague epitaph? For people to cry to death over him? Later followers argue who's fault it was VPW died (POOP), LCM and others often screams "The dead are NOT alive" . . . because . . .

The video mentioned the idea od preventing "carrying on the spirit" yes. Sorry I was more focused on the cult leader's interior. But it does always come back to the followers too, because what are they following? As close to real zombies as you can get. It's frightening because people are relating to a being that isn't really there. The cult leader is the living dead, and followers are enamoured with this empty being. Just wrapping my head around that.

That wasn't the emphasis. The false self being unstable was. But no, the cult leader can't thrive without followers attention. That's why there is a cult.

NPDs can be viewed as dead. Their true self died long, long ago leaving the false self, which requires mirrors and supply to maintain. They also maintain a heightened fear of death . . . it would seem natural VPW would gravitate toward that topic. I didn't see VPW in person, but if you look at the video of the other cult leaders you have a range of faces to see, a range of narcissist masks.

A place for dead folks has living waters. Something weird about that. Particularly if the dead are not alive in that fantasy world. Scattering ashes into ocean I believe was mentioned as a way to prevent followers from . . . following more . . . VPW is trying to extract supply from beyond the grave?? Might have to have ask greasespot to illuminate on the fountain's history . . . I remember there was a whole video about it once. Not-Your-Uncle Fuzzy Wuzzy died and VPW showed his bravery and strength by crying while giving orders for plans for the fountain?

Well this guy is dead too, if you like math, you're in a cult, I guess.

This guy also got tossed into the sea. Irrational Acts.

Maybe you're in this situation and this video can be somewhat of a helpful guide. . . . .Cremate and spread into the ocean. I thought seeing the body language of these guys and gals is often intriguing. I had not heard of some of them.

In what's called the narcissist cycle of abuse, this is an example of hoovering.

Vankin pointed out NPDs want to extract money from people for Narcissistic Supply. Once they have the money taken from others, that money has already served its purpose. Just . . . Interesting

When you don't like something the Bible says, just grab a fine tip Bic pen and those little metal rulers and fix the problem. Give some sort of Greek or Aramaic word game reasoning. Having various colored pens, wide margin companion Bible, and other note making systems helped in this ostensible show of diligent research. I'm sure this old tried and true technique could be applied here if one were so inclined.

LINK Pointless tasks serve a function . . . The leader outsourcing for supply

I think it's what's called "narcissist mirroring". He's copying like a child copies an adult, but lacking the ability to develop his own identity he just looks like a copy-cat. Completely unable to "make it his own" as is said in TWI and ever really understand. No sunesis going on. The WAP class I believe made fun of those out there who "parrot" their teachers . . . but that's exactly what TWI teaches it's followers to do.

VPW's headstone/monument says something like "I wish I was the man I knew to be" (wish is a no-no word, so that may not be exact) His last words are rumored to be "I think I've made a great mistake" I like the lack of ambiguity in these statements. Very clear to the reader.

The first of my children was born while still involved in TWI. The Abortion Doctrine was the final straw. They could abuse me, but not my kids. I stated my opinion but the choice was ultimately his mother's . . . although our marriage didn't survive TWI I remain thankful for her decision. I was no leader, but they use children, from the moment of conception, to push their agenda.

Not sure I follow that, maybe some things are being conflated. Gender Bias? I think we're forgetting that a cult is an effort to escape the larger culture to cocoon a false image a false self. In TWI the wooden spoon, for example, is genderless. People are objects for projection. This is a shared fantasy realm where narcissistic rage is center stage. All meaning and identity is erased. The fetus was tirelessly reduced and compared to . . . Trash let's say. Even if intended to continue to birth. I think one can stop and realize there's more significance to a pregnancy than was practiced in TWI . . . And not need to stop and point out who has what rights historically. I can certainly agree there were numerous methods for control in TWI, by reducing boundaries, by reducing the value of people. Gender relations in TWI might be a good topic for another thread. I don't mean to do that in this one. Potential parents come in multiple genders.

All data I've looked at so far says rape/incest/deformities are mostly <1% of the reasons for abortions. In this thread we are talking about people whose minds and hearts are under the influence of a cult, women included. The actions of the leaders were spread into the behavior of the sheep, right? Further, let's not forget Origen.

"Make your weakness a strength" Or some BS I called it "waste time until your strengths become weak"