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"The Bible" can clearly be replaced in your staeltement with anything if nothing is theopneustos. Say nothing is God inspired and it removes the confusion

Inspiring. Wait, So instead of God inspired we focus on inspired. Another thread. That idea was not theopneustos or whatever that does or doesn't mean.

The human brain is different than the animal brain in some ways, but that would be a different topic.

Wouldn't it be simpler to say that nothing is inspired by God?

In Stayed Too Long's post he mention "authority from the Bible". Obviously, before the Bible existed, there was no such claim. After the Bible existed, not all make that claim. Might we trace a history of those who claim "authority of the scirptures"? What's really driving this idea? STL claims VPW and all Christianity are making the same claim. And therefore all religion makes the same claim. (It's easy therefore to further say all human beings are just like Victor Paul Wierwille - STL doesn't explicitly say this, that's just the trajectory, untempered) The second paragraph uses "god-breathed truth" - Again, using PFAL vernacular as if it came from outside TWI. Did it? Stayed Too Long's Third paragraph equates TWI with "thousands of others". My question is if he is simply discussing fundamentalism, or something broader?

Hegel influenced Marx. Marx influenced Bolsheviks. Kant . . . influenced a lot . . . also Luther was German. *grabs red thread and thumb tacs* VPW rejected a trinity of God, but made a trinity of people. Which I understand is an ancient gnostic idea. Quite the switcharoo.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/sealioning-internet-trolling#:~:text=Sealioning refers to the disingenuous,questions of the other commenter. Sealioning refers to the disingenuous action by a commenter of making an ostensible effort to engage in sincere and serious civil debate, usually by asking persistent questions of the other commenter. In this open forum format you are free to take Raf's obscure phrase, translate, and defend, if you wish. Raf's phrase appears divisive, as is to push party's into camps of "pro-bible" or "bible is gibberish" camps. A bit black and white. PFAL is clearly not related to the bible other than as a red herring. We know this.

Then I take your response as an implied understanding between yourself and other posters but not all posters. As I said later, it sounds like nonsense.

I buy the ghee, the ghee was made from grass fed cows. Why nobody actually feeds cows chocolate is a topic I have not googled.

No, I did not. Posting a thought does not imply absolute knowledge. You are well aware of what I'm trying to understand. You're obviously bitter about something. Perhaps this website needs to rediscover its roots.

I also have joined the Ghee club. I love it on cast iron. Because as you said the higher flash point. But it tastes like grass if used straight. By grass I mean the green stuff the cows eat. Almost sounds like you're making roca or toffee, which sounds yummy.

Russians think completely different than we do. Some of that has to do with geography. Places like North America are relatively safe from invasion. So security is a bigger concern over there. Other matters have to do with Orthodox Christianity, which I'm not entirely clear on. The idea is we think the way we think, both religious and non-religious, because of the influence of the Western Church.

I had this cucumber fermenting, I think there's a message on it now.

2003???? VPW died long before that!! Everyone can go home!!! . . . if we're doing this . . ugh

Magna Carta was meant to show a non-religious document as an example. People live alongside documents. And myths, like Robin Hood, arise alongside them, too. And they are important, not nonsense.

Okay, you claim theopneustos is a term some demonations use. Which implies there are demoniations that don't. So there's a long history here, and you seem to be only allowing one view, as if to strawman. You've also, as others here do, take Mike too seriously. I was neither in the cult, nor outside the cult . . . does that make sense to you? I'm very aware that PFAL is a defence of rape culture, and that I am a product of that thinking by others. To put the Bible in the same discussion as PFAL, as if one produced or influenced the other, is nonsense.

"God-breathed" is a term from a book which has been pulled out and applied willy nilly here. So we've pulled a phrase from one book, applying it to another book, then rejecting the second book base on the phrase, and claiming that this process should now work on the first book? Sorry that's just nonsense. Do I believe the Bible is God-Breathed? Do I believe the Little Engine could?

Ok. I can't see anyone picking up PFAL without coercion in the first place. No contact is often the best practice when dealing with Wayfers. Many Western values are often cited to have their source in Christianity . . . you don't have to be a Christian . . . but the social values in culture may still be retained . . . this rejection seems to be of a different flavor than with PFAL.

I'm trying to understand your question; If you reject PFAL as god-breathed on any basis vs If you reject PFAL on any basis Is there a difference? god-breathed remains undefined? To me, rejection of PFAL is caused by a rejection of the people, the followers of The Way, since they go hand in hand.

What I understand now is there were many books circulating among the early Church. Being widely circulated was one criteria to become canon. This is where TWI and "truth vs tradition" nonsense comes in to confuse matters. There was a body of people with traditions and practices who could look at a book and say, "yes, this follows what we are already doing" . . . or not. The Bible doesn't stand alone, tradition is necessary and part of its making. I think a cohesive group is more likely to know if something is sacred to them than the thing itself would know.

There is no basis for rejecting PFAL as God-breathed that does not apply equally to scriptures that have been considered God-breathed since there was a canon. Is the God-Breathed here implying perfection in both instances? If you reject PFAL as perfect . . . which you should You can reject The Bible as perfect . . . which you should (but I don't think God-Breathed in the Bible is intended to be interpreted as perfectionist - that's came from somewhere else)

The Bible being free from flaws and from God. That's nonsense. Of course it has flaws. Inspired by God doesn't mean from God? God-Breathed does not mean God spoke to people and they wrote stuff down? That's the association in PFAL?

When his daughter went to school LCM went beserk. I think I heard a baseball bat was involved. This led to items like Bowling Green, and I was in a constant fight to justify getting an education. To be brief.

I don't understand inspiration and revelation as meaning hearing voices and such. I'm not picturing a sentient being sending a message or anything. I don't understand why something would not be free of flaws? That's not how things evolve. See Waysider there are some points missing here if I am to interpret. Maybe I didn't hold VPW quite to them same regard.

(comments about intelligence I understand as a reference to Loy Craig Martindale and his oldest daughter . . . that was a big topic in the late 90s)