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This was your response to a simple question. I don't know Rocky, WAS your experience WRONG?

Unlike adults who become involved in a coercive group, a child has no precult identity or experience. The cultic world pervades a child’s experience and perception during critical times in brain growth and development, when neural pathways are being formed, identity developed, and a view of the world established as a safe or hostile environment. The high-control cultic environment creates the conditions for abuse and sometimes even trauma. Herman (1997) explains, “Repeated trauma in adult life erodes the structure of the personality already formed, but repeated trauma in childhood forms and deforms the personality” (p. 96). https://www.icsahome.com/articles/impact-on-children-of-being-born-into-raised-in-a-cultic-group-docx I haven't found that video I mentioned earlier. It was made by another "cult kid". The above is along those lines. You're literally silently "looking up" at arguments for decades. Then talking past these idiots later.

"Rise of the Midwits" . . . I felt was a common enough phrase. And it is generally understood "belonging" while it may be a thing, is also another politically motivated thing. More important things take a back seat. This other discussion was a playing dumb by some. I do not believe cult joining happens in a vacuum. As if cult leaders have some super power. They have tactics, that work in a context. If you belong in a cult, it's because you don't belong somewhere else. The cult leader, VPW, believed everyone BELONGED to HIM. That is the reality of an NPD. I was born in raised in a cult. I know the dual reality. LCM spoke freely of it, and encouraged it. ICSA website describes it well. I get the question of "where do we belong". The relationship of the NPD, his CLASS, the effect on the mind (which I have posted cult followers are borderline PD-like . . . which is another way of saying critical thinking skills are subdued by a high intensity experience in THE CLASS) would heighten a person's need to belong. I'm not saying it never existed but it's like hunger. It's not always in the front of your mind and comes at different intensities.

James Wolf . . . WORD-Wolf . . . . hmmmm

Then I redirect you to ICSA and you can read it the RIGHT way.

The fact you're resorting to "Bolshevik no get it" . . . I was at maybe 10 ROAs. I watched the adults. As I said, Cult is Family. Was I wrong?

Sorry. Victor Wierwille was the Founder of The Way International. He started PFAL, the precursor to PFALT. He ran a class . . . and people felt they BELONGED to HIM.

I live near a military base. People are coming and going all the time. I'm aware the group is always changing. Some never bother to get to know others, they'll be gone soon. The idea of God and Religion is a narrative, which everyone from all time periods can look at and feel they belong and connected. God is Dead. That narrative goes with it. If I point out downsides to belonging . . . such as attachment . . . why is that an issue?

No, I have degrees in the hard sciences. I resented having to dumb things down so we can all belong. What I witnessed, I witnessed. Sorry Not Sorry if that was offensive. Midwits, is not a term nor concept I came up with. Nor is the dumbing down of universities. I don't claim to originate that idea. IQs having been dropping for decades, maybe longer. Not my idea. I constantly said on this website over a decade ago, "Cult is Family". A certain Troll from this website capitalized on that. I have asked about overcoming the childish sense of belonging.

Again Rocky, I don't understand your apparent hostility. I just bashed Victor Paul Wierwille. HE thought he was a Father. Not YOU.

To foster the rise of the midwits. A professor is not a parent. Not your father in the *insert subject*. Father in The Word. Was he Abraham too? If a cult is for belonging it is a replacement for family. Cults indicate a breakdown in the larger society, don't they?

I remember taking a "Belonging" course as a teacher and it made me uneasy. Students need to "belong"? That's stupid. I get they hate learning . . Wait, why are they here? PFAL is a class that reduces critical thinking, (if you choose to accept it) . . . You're reduced ability to think reduces your Individual freedom. . . Belonging and security becomes more important. You're pushed toward the bottom of the hierarchy of needs.

Freedom. From ICSA. People who like belonging don't like freedom so much.

Thanks for your input. The transition from high pressure sales to belonging . . . TWI is not a shared interest in PFAL. TWIG Fellowship is not a support group. Both may be true, but I feel a piece is missing at the moment.

From what I read on this site, problems outside the cult. i.e. The churches sucked.

Are you claiming people felt the BELONGED in the cult?

The beginning of Squid Games was a good example. Where the gentleman offered you money to slap you in the face. Seemed like a small price. How much will you trade to accept abuse?

I'm thinking of each time you interpret tongues or door to door harassment. You have to push past the discomfort, every single time. Or teaching at fellowship, you're pushing your mind into a mold as you do it. Leadership has to tell you if there were results or not, because you never see any that mean anything. That uncomfortable feeling becomes normal. Always uncomfortable and stressful, but familiar and normal.

I agree. I think both controlling people and controlling the universe is what is done when a person's boundaries extend infinitely. Micromanage and abuse a person long enough and eventually they inherit those eyes.

Is there a fundamental difference between door-to-door witnessing and confrontation?

Like The Law of Believing, Excellor sessions now sound like another way to control God. Since he is there on command to do your will. Come on' Gawd, gimme a "W" just for fun.

You see, it's not the spoon that's bending.

He makes a reference to a football team in segment 4. He is interpreting the words of people in the same fashion he reads the Bible. Scripture interprets itself.

THE WORD OF GOD IS THE WILL OF GOD That never sounded authoritarian to me until now. But if WORD = WILL that means his will interprets itself. That's gonna be a tense funeral.

The Prodigal Son comes to mind. Did he follow any script? What was he praised for? Your contradictory statements are: Step 1) Obey, you are not autonomous but an extension of leadership's will. Step 2) Assume others should obey. Their autonomy threatens your non-autonomy.