Bolshevik

um, . . .is lcm down? Is he not still in favor of twi? Didn't his power rest upon the other directors hiding his actions? was he ever up?

My wife and I had a baby boy since then.

Yah I was just looking at this. The context and word meanings don't seem to follow what twi uses it for. They quote this (just part of a verse) almost every other service. I went to look at this verse in twi's written works, (its in TBTMS, RECC, and PFAL book) , the verse is rarely used, and is mostly a footnote. They seem to exalt part of one verse over the rest of The Bible.

1. If I'm walking down the street and see an advertisement, whether or not I notice that information depends upon how much I've renewed my mind? Or if someone talks to me? Or what you wrote to me? I don't know that a renewed mind means we now have filters on our mental input. Yes we can avoid situations to the best or our ability, but ultimately we can only control so much. This whole thread probably belongs in doctrinal. I'll just reiterate that twi is run by @-holes.

You'll have to take that up with twi. Everytime something "Not the best" happens at twi they scrutinize every action, decision, and thought you made or supposedly made. They use free will to put blame on you and thus requiring that you increase your submission to them (because you're admitting you screwed up and need them). I was just pointing out the obvious that their practice follows their doctrine.

Justing wondering why it's okay to talk of dead wierwille being gay, or have insicurities, but not The Living Fox? A Ge-rge or a Lomb@rdi I could see being okay with this. But not a poster. The Fox is a devil and deserves no defense.

1. We can make decisions according to whatever pops in our head, how do we control what pops into our head? Beyond our control is probably where Faith and prayer is. 2. We put our trust in them, they lied, decisions we made were based on that trust. 3. if free will is something that cannot be infringed upon, then we were in situations of broken trust and backstabbing. Free will decision are not always based on good information, because this doesn't always seem to be available.

Amen Roy. Exactly what emphasis God puts on the Bible I do not know now. I do believe its not so we can "one up" or fellow brothers. Nor do I believe God is limited to what's written. "God has Magnified His Word above His Name" --where this come from and what it means I do not know.

twi probably did a bit of both, since the adversary is always ready to kill you, or maybe I'm wrong

and you didn't have a designated climber?

Some say Foxy has a few stashed away. . . But I jest, I don't have a clue.

Same reason some women go for saggy old men.

Remember the midget cycle? Maybe Coco drove out on it.

see ya round Oldies

What you mean to say is, by your free will, you let yourself get scared, which is negative believing, so God took his hand of protection off your sphincter, and you released your bowels.

TWI argues that bad things happened to Joseph (son of Israel) because of by his free will choice he made bad decisions that got himself into trouble. They really make free will a bad thing. That's why you need leadership. To do the work of the holy spirit.

How?

at the moment, far as I care, you can hang twi's version of free will up with the Law of Believing. Just another tool for condemnation. It right in their teachings.

What is the difference between coercion and manipulation. It is apparent that the leadership in twi does not manifest the love of God to their people. They are doing something to them. What is happening? Because this free will argument one of their weapons.

Please continue GarthP2000

They could do better by doing what you just said. Get the facts. Then make a decision. Of course I have no evidence to support that they care about facts. Just lawyers.

(don't remember if this is posted already) Some argue (in twi of course) the reason Adam consented to what Eve did (gettin' down with the devil) is because he (Adam) liked the idea of two women together.

I was thinking about more direct ultimatums. i.e. "Your husband or the ministry(and the ministry is the Word and the word is the ministry. . )" "You will do as we say or we will through you out" "But what did I do?" "Answer the question" and they'd say this knowing you had nowhere to go They use the situations people are in against them

Perhaps instead of coercion we should use leaderships words, "ultimatum"

My understanding is it was a one year assignment, don't know yet if they've returned for any other reason.